Which 230W vintage Speakers can you recommend?

g7trader
g7trader Posts: 39
in 2 Channel Audio

I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P2201 amp 230W per channel but I don't have any speakers that can take that much power....

I have the following speakers:

Pioneer HPM-110 110W (For sale £700)
Kef Concerto 44W
Ditton 44 44W

Soon will getting Yamaha NS-1000 100W.

Please recommend speakers of high sound quality that can take 230W.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,927
    edited October 2018
    These here are the best for that kind of power.


    https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/speakers/home_theater/acoustimass-10-speaker-system.html?mc=25_PS_HC_PL_00_GO_&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIh8XM4bCI3gIVzbjACh0wPQ8iEAQYASABEgLfPfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds#v=am10_v_black
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    Your amplifier doesn't throw out it's rated 230 watts as soon as you turn it on. Amplifiers store power, for when called upon. It also doesn't mean you can bury the volume dial.

    Recommended watts on the back of speakers means very little too. Read up, plenty of good info right here on the forum.
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  • mlistens03
    mlistens03 Posts: 2,767
    edited October 2018
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    I’m going to go find some posts on speaker sensitivity and power, and I’ll be back.
    Nevermind, just remembered we already told you all of this.
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  • g7trader
    g7trader Posts: 39
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    I thought mine was bottom of the range until you mentioned this.....

    Wait till I get Yamaha PC5002M 500WPC, 1500W in mono! 61KG beast, 2 mains power plugs.

    Then I'll be back here wondering which speakers can even handle 1500 watt....
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    Wrong....there is a difference between "twice as powerful" and "twice as loud". If you haven't figured out how power works in relation to speakers, your destined to blow a few drivers.
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  • g7trader
    g7trader Posts: 39

    I went from a Rotel RX602 (35WPC) to Rotel RX802 (50WPC) to Pioneer SA-9500 II (80WPC) toYamaha P2201 (230WPC).

    Every upgrade I felt led to more power alot more power.

    In fact I heard my Rotel RX-602 yesterday which I sold to my dad and I was wondering damn this sounds weak compared to my Yamaha P2201 very trebly even the midrange was weak and trebly even the bass sounded weak.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    But it wasn't "twice as loud" though was it ?
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  • g7trader
    g7trader Posts: 39
    tonyb wrote: »
    But it wasn't "twice as loud" though was it ?

    Dont know I dont put volumes on 100% full.

    But the sound is more powerful.

    I'm after power not loud or the one you can hear from furthest distance because I live in a house not needed for a music venue.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    But it wasn't "twice as loud" though was it ?

    Dont know I dont put volumes on 100% full.

    But the sound is more powerful.

    I'm after power not loud or the one you can hear from furthest distance because I live in a house not needed for a music venue.

    If you don't know, why would you agree that double the power would equal doubling the loudness ? Because it won't...….
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  • g7trader
    g7trader Posts: 39
    tonyb wrote: »
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    But it wasn't "twice as loud" though was it ?

    Dont know I dont put volumes on 100% full.

    But the sound is more powerful.

    I'm after power not loud or the one you can hear from furthest distance because I live in a house not needed for a music venue.

    If you don't know, why would you agree that double the power would equal doubling the loudness ? Because it won't...….

    When did I ever say I was looking for LOUD ?
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  • mlistens03
    mlistens03 Posts: 2,767
    edited October 2018
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    Here, you seemed to imply you wanted loud.
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  • g7trader
    g7trader Posts: 39
    mlistens03 wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    Here, you seemed to imply you wanted loud.

    No I didn't. I said its twice as loud as his but nit that I was after loud.....
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  • mlistens03
    mlistens03 Posts: 2,767
    g7trader wrote: »
    mlistens03 wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    Here, you seemed to imply you wanted loud.

    No I didn't. I said its twice as loud as his but nit that I was after loud.....

    Know that now, but it seemed like you were saying otherwise. :)
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    There ya go....you may not be looking for twice as loud, but you sure agreed that twice the power would equate to it.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,916
    edited October 2018
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
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    where's that oligofacepalm meme when one needs it?

    EDIT: ahh, here we go...

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 0
    Look at it this way. Your 230 watt Yammie will deliver 115 watts of very clean power and leave it at that.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,927
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    But it wasn't "twice as loud" though was it ?

    Dont know I dont put volumes on 100% full.

    But the sound is more powerful.

    I'm after power not loud or the one you can hear from furthest distance because I live in a house not needed for a music venue.

    If you don't know, why would you agree that double the power would equal doubling the loudness ? Because it won't...….

    When did I ever say I was looking for LOUD ?

    Just what excatly ARE you looking for? I for one don't think you even have a clue.
    Have you ever belonged to other audio sites?
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  • g7trader
    g7trader Posts: 39
    edited October 2018
    [/quote]Just what excatly ARE you looking for? I for one don't think you even have a clue.
    Have you ever belonged to other audio sites?[/quote]

    Read the title.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,927
    edited October 2018


    Yes i read and understand just fine thank you.

    My amp puts out 375wpc I've used it on speakers only rated for far less than that was it a problem? NOPE!
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    Speakers don't get recommended by the amount of watts an amp puts out. Just sayin'...your looking at this completely wrong.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
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    The things I have to do to make sure that twice as loud amp has good electrons fed to it.....
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  • g7trader
    g7trader Posts: 39
    edited October 2018
    Ok lets all read the question I asked on this thread.

    No one answered it all I got was utter nonsense from all the regulars on this forum who are on here 24/7 bored and have got anything better to do.

    I thought AudioKarma was full of trolls but this forum is even worse its highly infected with trolls.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited October 2018
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,916
    The concept of troll symmetry.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,916
    lightman1 wrote: »
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    https://youtu.be/pSgGCOHuO1U
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    I like your style Doc.....
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,916
    edited October 2018
    ironically, we live in one of the few New England states that hasn't legalized the wacky terbacky.

    But Waiting for Columbus is still a heck of a rekkid -- IMO, the single best live rock record ever (overdubs notwithstanding).

    ... and I'll just leave you with this.

    https://youtu.be/qUc3X0-nMhw

    :)
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  • FestYboy
    FestYboy Posts: 3,861
    Ok... I think I got it. The answer to your question is:





















    All of them. (At least all those that don't dip below 4 ohms within their impedance curve).
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,595
    g7trader wrote: »
    I went from a Rotel RX602 (35WPC) to Rotel RX802 (50WPC) to Pioneer SA-9500 II (80WPC) toYamaha P2201 (230WPC).

    Every upgrade I felt led to more power alot more power.

    In fact I heard my Rotel RX-602 yesterday which I sold to my dad and I was wondering damn this sounds weak compared to my Yamaha P2201 very trebly even the midrange was weak and trebly even the bass sounded weak.

    WOW! Looks like just went backwards in the upgrade chain.

    Power/watts are not everything. I'd be will to bet those Rotels had just as much output as most of your equipment there. And far better quality anyways.

    You do realize that most systems can fill a room with plenty of volume with 1 watt right? Not a typo there.... yes 1 watt.

    And I dont know the exact figures (so this is just a generalization) but to make an audiable difference at loud volumes, let's say 90db, you would need a 3 db increase just to notice the difference. And that last 3 db, may take 100 or more watts to accomplish.

    Also look at headroom figures for amps. Just because Rotel rated it at 35 watts does not mean it can't drop a 100watts.

    You should really read up on audio. You are obviously into it. Start some self learning. Can't learn it all by asking questions on a forum and then dogging the same forum you are on.
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