Technics abandons DVD-A and introduces its first SACD player

From: https://www.phileweb.com/news/audio/201808/30/20115.html

Google translation....

Panasonic exhibited SACD / network player prototype as a prototype of a new product of the Technics brand at the company's booth at IFA 2018.

The model number has not been decided yet, and it is said that the release time is scheduled for the spring to the summer of 2019. Although it has not decided the price, since it is a product of the Grand class, Technics CTO 's Tetuya Ida said that it will appear in the same price range as the same series product.

Panasonic's first SACD playback machine, which supports single / hybrid 2ch playback. DVD audio can not be played.

It can be used not only as SACD but also as a network player, with Wi-Fi installed. In addition to supporting AirPlay, it also has a Bluetooth receiver function.

Besides playing high resolution sound source, it also corresponds to MQA. It also supports Chromecast Built-In. You can also stream Spotify, TIDAL, Internet radio stations.

Arrange the drive mechanism in the center of the body. In addition to the display, on the right side is equipped with a jog dial for multi-control which covers headphone volume and input switching etc. with one, playback system buttons and so on.

In addition to the power button, headphone output, USB terminal are equipped on the left side of the case. On the back side, in addition to providing 2-channel 2-channel audio output terminals with RCA unbalance and XLR balance, both digital input / output terminals are equipped with one optical / coaxial system.

Since it is not yet decided on model number, it seems that it will still take time until its appearance, but as a player who can play SACD for the first time as Panasonic, it seems to be a topic.

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,241
    Very cool, killing two birds with one stone. I want it!
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,241
    One of their existing network players has some interesting technologies inside it: https://www.technics.com/us/products/grand-class-g30/network-audio-amplifier-su-g30.html
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,241
    F1nut wrote: »
    Long live SACD B)

    Hell yeah! And I'm loving the feature list on this thing. Front and rear USB input, single ended and balanced output, nice LCD screen, WiFi and Ethernet, etc, etc. It's ticking all the boxes for me, but I'm sure it'll be priced well above my budget.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,715
    edited August 2018
    Do not be fooled DVD-A was abandoned long ago. It is just a fluke one ir two have came out in the last 5 yrs.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,216
    Clipdat wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Long live SACD B)

    Hell yeah! And I'm loving the feature list on this thing. Front and rear USB input, single ended and balanced output, nice LCD screen, WiFi and Ethernet, etc, etc. It's ticking all the boxes for me, but I'm sure it'll be priced well above my budget.

    The proof will be in the pudding. I'm curious if it will be able to compete against some of the fine players already on the market.

    For what its worth, I'm not sure how I feel about a CD Player/Streamer all in one. Marantz's new unit threw me a bit and so does this one. I'm not sure why it throws me, but it does. I guess it gives that DVD/TV combo vibe to me. I know consolidating separates is the name of the game now for most in the hobby but this is one area I'm not completely sold on.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,241
    I hear your concerns. Historically, a lot of times when companies have tried to do these "2-in-1" type units, the quality has suffered. The old jack of all trades master of none scenario.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,216
    edited August 2018
    Technically Oppo has been doing it with their players but their players never moved me in a musical sense. Great units for a multi purpose rig, but for music there are many better options IMO. I guess the difference is I view the Oppo as an all in one compromise with a focus on video/home theater so its fine with me, whereas the Technics and Marantz units are built purely for music. Different approaches and all...
  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,511
    edited August 2018
    DVD-A was initially set up to be a combination audio and video medium for surround sound although it had high res two channel included. SACD included surround sound on some discs but that was never its primary mission and video output was not required to play discs.

    The Technics gear above appears to be just set up for audio use. Menu navigation and access to special materials on a DVD-A disc required a video connection which is why it was built into DVD players. There were also high res DTS discs available for a short time that didn't even rely on the DVD-A standard. Blu-Ray Audio discs, which seem to have disappeared as a high res multi channel format after being out for a short time, did not absolutely need a video output for disc navigation.

    It also looks like Panasonic's high end 4K Blu Ray player dropped compatibility with DVD-A, but that also won't play SACD discs but will stream DSD files!

    I sometimes get the Technics and TEAC brands confused. TEAC's high end Esoteric brand has been involved with two channel SACD for a long time and they also appear to have dropped DVD-A support from their lineup to focus on two channel merits only.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,715
    Emlyn wrote: »
    Menu navigation and access to special materials on a DVD-A disc required a video connection which is why it was built into DVD players.
    Many DVD-A discs the only the reason for video was to select the layer 24/96 multi speaker or 24/192 two channel. Then of course some had static pictures for each song. Yes like I'm going to sit and stare at the picture through a song. It was too bad you could not tell the player to just play a certain layer boom done. I like that the OPPO players (205 anyway) plug into the two channel RCA outputs and it automatically downconverts to 2ch. no menu needed. My older uni-players (Denon 2900/3910) this feature was hit or miss on some discs.


  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,511
    What is also funny about the market is Sony now supports both SACD and DVD-A playback in their latest 4K Blu Ray player. Sony would not do that for years and years with their DVD players because DVD-A (aka Panasonic) was the enemy!
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,715
    100% i found that funny as well but then again Sony ABANDONED SACD!! WTH why? I think it is funny they have one of the largest catalogs and put out some terrible sacd's. I for one would of liked to see many more Aerosmith SACD's and there are many others.
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,112
    Fantastic news and right on time. Only 5 years late!!!

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,454
    So -- I saw this thread earlier today & figured it must be a necro thread --

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    so, I was gonna post some kind of a quip about how old these formats were... so I looked 'em up. Wiki-p sez DVD-A was introduced in... 2000.

    Note that this is technically not only from the last century, it was the previous millennium. :|

    I don't even think I am using a cell phone that's that old.

    ;)
  • Danny TseDanny Tse Posts: 5,244
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    100% i found that funny as well but then again Sony ABANDONED SACD!! WTH why? I think it is funny they have one of the largest catalogs and put out some terrible sacd's. I for one would of liked to see many more Aerosmith SACD's and there are many others.

    Sony never abandoned SACD. In fact, of the 3 SACD pressing facilities in use in the world today, 2 of them are Sony's (in Japan and in Austria). In the US, the major music companies choose to license their music for release on SACD through 3rd party, independent music reissue labels such as Mobile Fidelity, Analogue Productions, and until recently, Audio Fidelity. In the rest of the world, the major music companies release their SACDs directly to retailers.

    Mobile Fidelity has already announced that Simon & Garfunkel's "Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme" is coming on SACD soon. That's a Sony title. Analogue Productions also announced 2 Jimi Hendrix titles will show up on SACD before end of this year. Also Sony titles. I do think Sony should be releasing more SACD titles, however.

  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,715
    I guess maybe i was thinking when they announced they were no longer going to make the chips in 2013 that they was no longer going to support them.
    Yes we both can agree on the last sentence Danny

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,241
    Few more pics:

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    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,966
    They've got a good look.
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  • headrottheadrott Posts: 5,453
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    100% i found that funny as well but then again Sony ABANDONED SACD!! WTH why? I think it is funny they have one of the largest catalogs and put out some terrible sacd's. I for one would of liked to see many more Aerosmith SACD's and there are many others.

    Sony never abandoned SACD. In fact, of the 3 SACD pressing facilities in use in the world today, 2 of them are Sony's (in Japan and in Austria). In the US, the major music companies choose to license their music for release on SACD through 3rd party, independent music reissue labels such as Mobile Fidelity, Analogue Productions, and until recently, Audio Fidelity. In the rest of the world, the major music companies release their SACDs directly to retailers.

    Mobile Fidelity has already announced that Simon & Garfunkel's "Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme" is coming on SACD soon. That's a Sony title. Analogue Productions also announced 2 Jimi Hendrix titles will show up on SACD before end of this year. Also Sony titles. I do think Sony should be releasing more SACD titles, however.

    I pre-ordered the Hendrix SACD's (Are You Experienced and Axis:Bold As Love). They should be here by the end of this week, I believe. I suggest everyone else order them too.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    Does look cool. Like that amp also. Who doesn't like meters after all. Anyone have any first hand experience on the sound quality ?
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,241
    tonyb wrote: »
    Does look cool. Like that amp also. Who doesn't like meters after all. Anyone have any first hand experience on the sound quality ?

    Bite the bullet Tony, take one for the team and order one to review: https://blinkhighend.com/shop/components/technics-su-g700/
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,241
    edited May 3
    Technics has released additional details about this player: https://www.technics.com/us/news/20190107-sl-g700/

    I saw it at Axpona and briefly got to hear it playing back "Money" from the DSoTM SACD.

    MSRP is $3k.

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    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,736
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Technics has released additional details about this player: https://www.technics.com/us/news/20190107-sl-g700/

    I saw it at Axpona and briefly got to hear it playing back "Money" from the DSoTM SACD.

    MSRP is $3k.

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    Those look like some fine offerings from Technics, only time will tell. :)
  • pongshipongshi Posts: 377
    Cool, obviously SACD is great, but we need more units with Tidal support for streaming since Tidal is still being treated as a niche market.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,241
    This thing is finally out in the wild and What Hi-Fi reviewed it recently: https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/technics-sl-g700
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • headrottheadrott Posts: 5,453
    Ridiculously, the Hendrix Are You Experienced SACD by Analog Productions is STILL not out. It has been delayed either 5 or 6 times (I lost count). It does say "coming December 27th" on the Acoustic Sounds web site now. I hope that's true. I also hope it was worth the wait; with Bernie Grundman mastering it, I think it will be.
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    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
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  • mantismantis Posts: 15,432
    That's a really nice combo there.
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