Audio nuggets YOU have learned along the way...

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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,900
    edited August 2018
    turn power off to components when changing components or :'(

    never go inside tube amps while they are powered up or :'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(>:)o:)

    never power up tube amps unless speakers are attached or :'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(

    GET IT !!!
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
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    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,548
    edited August 2018
    1. There's definitely a point of diminishing returns.
    2. Room beats all.
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 10,999
    Better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
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  • kharp1
    kharp1 Posts: 3,453
    edited August 2018
    Tony M wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    All good advice @Tony M I’ve got an SAE amp that’s been sitting in the box for years. Eventually I want to use it for my garage setup. Any startup advice?

    Use cheap speakers to start with. I hope it starts working from the get-go. SAE gear is pretty good aren't they?

    Start with a variac. Do not use without hooking it up to a variac.
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,508
    Hot glass looks like cold glass :#
    Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
    1KVA Dreadnought

    Marantz SA 8005
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
    Sony PS4

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
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  • decal
    decal Posts: 3,205
    Quit obsessing over this stuff. Have fun, enjoy the music.
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,141
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    All good advice @Tony M I’ve got an SAE amp that’s been sitting in the box for years. Eventually I want to use it for my garage setup. Any startup advice?

    Use cheap speakers to start with. I hope it starts working from the get-go. SAE gear is pretty good aren't they?

    Start with a variac. Do not use without hooking it up to a variac.

    Most of us don't have a Variac. I did think about that but didn't include it in my response to Dave's question. You're right. Maybe I should have.
    Dave might own one. ;)
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    edited August 2018
    1. Bigger speaker wire.


    2. I’ve often been surprised at the results of upgrading to bigger internal speaker to mid-bass & especially woofers. Further it’s practically a free performance improver.

    3. Dedicated multiple higher current power feeds.

    4. Heavier power cords

    5. Active power conditioning - all around for video & sound quality.
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out 8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out *soldered LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & “Plugged*” Mids - 981, connected w/MP Premiere ICs Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6 Surrounds: Premiere ICs ->Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3. 5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”. Power Conditioning & Distribution: 4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s *Xschop's handy work
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,590
    It's all in the source.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    Wattage ratings are often misleading. Current ratings are less misleading.
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

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    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's |
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    NEVER, EVER allow anyone to carry your prized Tyler Lindbrook speakers down a flight of stairs. I wish I could find that picture....

    @treitz3
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,727
    machone wrote: »
    Hot glass looks like cold glass :#

    Metal tubes are even worse in that regard :/
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 10,999
    Don't peruse the fm section after having a few drinks. Heck any audio selling site for that matter.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,727
    Tony M wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    All good advice @Tony M I’ve got an SAE amp that’s been sitting in the box for years. Eventually I want to use it for my garage setup. Any startup advice?

    Use cheap speakers to start with. I hope it starts working from the get-go. SAE gear is pretty good aren't they?

    Start with a variac. Do not use without hooking it up to a variac.

    Most of us don't have a Variac. I did think about that but didn't include it in my response to Dave's question. You're right. Maybe I should have.
    Dave might own one. ;)

    WARNING, WARNING! THREAD CAREENING TEMPORARILY OFF-TOPIC!

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    If you don't feel like buying a Variac, you can make one (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) with parts you can (still) get at your nearest Home Despot or Lowes or even local hardware/electrical supply store (if you're lucky enough to have one).

    Google "Dim bulb tester" for instructions & info.
    Here's one example, to get you started :)
    https://antiqueradio.org/dimbulb.htm

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    The goal with these devices, by the way, is to ease the components back to life rather than slamming them with AC mains voltage & wakin' 'em up with a jolt. The DBT can also help diagnose problems (short circuits, e.g., in the power supply or even downstream of it) without toasting fragile and sometimes expensive components inside the device being tested/reawakened.

    This is (FWIW) more of a must-have for vacuum tube hardware (with high voltage power supplies) than for solid state stuff, but on the other hand, the use
    of solid-state rectification in any component

    The main idea is to use lower input voltage to reform the component's electrolytic capacitors, particularly the "filter" caps in the power supply. This is, at the least, a do no harm exercise, and can rescue capacitors that might otherwise be (more or less) toasted by a hard start up.

    This said, electrolytic capacitors are pretty brute force solutions to a couple of problems (the need for large values of capacitance at high-ish voltages, in a compact package and cheap). Two factoids (strongly held opinions, empirically informed) about electrolytics. 1) any that are more than about three decades old have outlived their usefulness and should probably be replaced and 2) the ones you can buy today really are better than the ones you got three, four, or more decades ago.

    Just sayin'.

    OK IT'S SAFE TO RETURN TO THE THREAD NOW. MOVE ALONG, NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

    ;)

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,383
    DSkip wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    1. There's definitely a point of diminishing returns.
    2. Room beats all.

    Not sure how I feel about #1. I’ve found sometimes an upgrade was better than a bottleneck elsewhere and not fully realized. Revisiting an upgrade after other areas were addressed brought forth much larger improvements.

    Some truth in that, but if you can afford to play at that level, you could just hire the artist to come and play a private concert for you anyway.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,485
    Upgrading audio is like making love in the sand. You don't want to stop, but you have to.

    Eventually you may reach a point where you say I can't afford or don't want to afford upgrades.
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,211
    edited August 2018
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    Well someone had to post it.. ;)
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  • codycatalist
    codycatalist Posts: 2,662
    1. Take your time, don't buy whatever you can find. Wait for the right piece for you at the right price, it will save you money down the line.

    2. Vintage gear is cool but chances are you will pay just as much if not more than the asking price to get it working like it should.
    Just a dude doing dude-ly things

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  • tonyp063
    tonyp063 Posts: 1,081
    Trust your own ears.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,933
    edited August 2018
    Attend an audio show if you haven't ever been to one.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 10,999
    Its OK to make mistakes just don't repeat the same one over and over.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,727
    Willow wrote: »
    Its OK to make mistakes just don't repeat the same one over and over.

    N.B. This aphorism may be provisional in the case of mistakes made working on vacuum tube amplifier high-voltage power supplies
    In those cases, there may not be an opportunity to repeat the mistake.

    :(


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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,536
    edited August 2018
    I have another one, and it's a biggie...

    Better to cry once, then cry TWICE. Don't let excitement rush a purchase of a lesser item, because you don't have the money at the moment for what you REALLY want.

    I don't want to even know how many tens of thousands of dollars I have wasted, "settling" on a lesser item that I later sold at great loss. I am embarrassing myself for YOUR educational/monetary benefit. You are Welcome.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,141
    Make sure your Pos. and Neg. wires are hooked up to their proper outputs and inputs.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,536
    edited August 2018
    Check your speaker driver mount screws, you'll be shocked how loose some of them are. Make it an annual thing.

    Buy some ty-wraps and do some cable management; it lower your noise floor. Keep IC's away from digital, and AC away from everything.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • mrbiron
    mrbiron Posts: 5,711
    Beer makes music sound better.
    Where’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!!
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,383
    mrbiron wrote: »
    Beer makes music sound better.
    And Whiskey makes it come to life.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,164
    Tube gear isn't as finicky as people want to think.

    Wattage isn't the major factor in determining a good amplifier.

    Best listening enjoyment is found in the sweet spot

    Everything matters.

    Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know.

    Very few giant killers truly exist, despite hubris stating otherwise.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,383
    Buying well built used gear is better than buying cheaply made stuff for the same price.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 10,999
    mrbiron wrote: »
    Beer makes music sound better.

    Music makes beer taste better.
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