Finally, my entrance into the vinyl rabbit hole!

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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 8,645
    The needle looks good to me.

    The brush looks crooked!
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,225
    Hard to tell from just that one angle, but having said that, it doesn't look wildly crooked to me. Looking at the diamond, however, it's either REALLY dirty, or broken-off. I can easily imagine the DJ/back-scratching could have ripped the diamond right off. To add to the uncool/d!ck-move factor, the vinyl may be damaged as well.

    Tony, the brush isn't crooked...it's positioned in a way to brush the leading grooves ahead of the diamond, so it's a bit askew/offset visually. I hope that makes sense.
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  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 2,617
    That sucks man, it happens though. Same reason I don't have friends not careful of my audio stuff anywhere near my turntable. I will say I do use a Ortofon Concorde S pro which is for DJing so I have bumped it more than once and it survived each time.

    I have thought about getting a better cart then realized I would break it in an instant.
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 8,645
    edited June 2018


    I was able to zoom in on it easily and it looks like the diamond is there. I tried to post a zoomed in pic. but it came out the same as Micah's.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 10,588
    All my friends have my gear...
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 8,645
    edited June 2018
    click on the link and then hit the + to zoom again. It works for me. Clear as day.
    https://us.v-cdn.net/5021930/uploads/editor/ed/qxckkxt8h5rf.jpg
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 24,515
    lightman1 wrote: »
    All my friends have my gear...

    No, not really -- I have some too.

    (ahem)
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,225
    I should have been more specific. I agree that something is still there, but it may just be the shank. Since the M97xE has a bonded stylus, it is feasible that the diamond tip could break-off, but still leave the mounting shank. That's what I'm wondering.
    "Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
    Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 24,515
    edited June 2018
    Tony M wrote: »
    click on the link and then hit the + to zoom again. It works for me. Clear as day.
    https://us.v-cdn.net/5021930/uploads/editor/ed/qxckkxt8h5rf.jpg

    Hmmmm... so... I see something there but I am not 100% sure it's stylus :|
    Do we know fo' sure whether the M97xe has a nude or bonded stylus?

    I copied it and cropped it a bit.

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    I am wondering whether we're seeing the stylus mount sans diamond -- it looks kinda flat-tipped to me...(?)

    A quick glance at this thread suggests its a bonded stylus(??).
    https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=88097

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  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,225
    edited June 2018
    Definitely bonded...I took a quick look at mine via USB microscope to confirm before my last post.

    The shiny silver bit is the metal shank, and the yellowish tip is obviously the diamond - an elliptical cut. The diamond is 'bonded' to the shank.
    "Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
    Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 24,515
    edited June 2018
    jdjohn wrote: »
    Definitely bonded...I took a quick look at mine via USB microscope to confirm before my last post.

    The shiny silver bit is the metal shank, and the yellowish tip is obviously the diamond - an elliptical cut. The diamond is 'bonded' to the shank.

    Sorry, I missed that.
    oh, derp - well, I'm gonna hope that you posted that while I was futzing with cropping and uploading the images... I think you've hit the nail on the head...errm, maybe make that on the shank.


    I believe we're looking at, as one of the hifi catalogs buried here among the rubble once put it, a stylus that's come to a pointless conclusion.

    :(
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,225
    Haha...no worries ;) DJ styli are conical, and more forgiving going backwards in the grooves. The same reason that ellipticals extract more detail going forward is the reason that they don't like going backwards...they dig a little deeper. At 33RPM, it might be okay, but scratching backwards is more abrupt and fast = not forgiving.
    "Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
    Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 8,645
    I could zoom in on the above pic and it does look like a volcano top now. :(:#

    Maybe the diamond tip is still in the record groove. ;):p
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,675
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    Best pics I could take, I may try tomorrow to use my GoPro if I can get the pictures off of it.
    jdjohn wrote: »
    Hard to tell from just that one angle, but having said that, it doesn't look wildly crooked to me. Looking at the diamond, however, it's either REALLY dirty, or broken-off. I can easily imagine the DJ/back-scratching could have ripped the diamond right off. To add to the uncool/d!ck-move factor, the vinyl may be damaged as well.

    Tony, the brush isn't crooked...it's positioned in a way to brush the leading grooves ahead of the diamond, so it's a bit askew/offset visually. I hope that makes sense.

    I cleaned it up before taking the pics in this post, and I can’t see the diamond (although I’m not sure exactly what it I should supposed to look like). The record is one of my faves, but my Dad was playing it tonight and through the part where it was scratched it didn’t sound different, so I’ll hope for the best on that front.
    That sucks man, it happens though. Same reason I don't have friends not careful of my audio stuff anywhere near my turntable. I will say I do use a Ortofon Concorde S pro which is for DJing so I have bumped it more than once and it survived each time.

    I have thought about getting a better cart then realized I would break it in an instant.

    This was one of my friends who is very careful about my audio gear, and he thought it was mad easy to do it.
    Tony M wrote: »


    I was able to zoom in on it easily and it looks like the diamond is there. I tried to post a zoomed in pic. but it came out the same as Micah's.

    Zoomed in pic didn’t work for me, and it wouldn’t focus correctly, so it’s just as close to it as I could get with the camera.

    I can reply to the rest tomorrow, but I don’t have time now.
    Micah
    Not Tom or Trey or Jim just Micah
    KEF Q150s, NAD 1155 preamp and 4155 tuner courtesy of DaddyJT, NAD C352 playing power amp, BJC Belden cables, Technics SL3200, Marantz CD6004 courtesy of Clipdat, Salamander Archetype rack, Millenium Falcon :)
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.

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  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,225
    edited June 2018
    EDIT: My original post in this spot was based on the other, previous pics. I think Micah may be in the clear on this after cleanup in these recent pics. I think the earlier pic was just a very dirty stylus. I'm going to post some pics of my M97xE for comparison to his current situ. His friend may be very lucky.
    "Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
    Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,816
    edited June 2018
    When I zoom in on Micah's close-up (the side view) on a 65" plasma, I can see what appears to be the shank and then the diamond.

    How about testing it on a record of marginal value and see how it sounds? derp. :p
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,675
    lightman1 wrote: »
    All my friends have my gear...

    Lol yes they do. You’re welcome to store gear here anytime as well :tongue:
    Although I wouldnt store something as fragile as a record cart/stylus, I have too many friends for that :#
    jdjohn wrote: »
    I should have been more specific. I agree that something is still there, but it may just be the shank. Since the M97xE has a bonded stylus, it is feasible that the diamond tip could break-off, but still leave the mounting shank. That's what I'm wondering.

    It seems to still be a sharp point, which makes me think that the diamond is there, though I don’t see any colors that make me think “oh that’s a diamond.”
    Viking64 wrote: »
    When I zoom in on Micah's close-up (the side view) on a 65" plasma, I can see what appears to be the shank and then the diamond.

    How about testing it on a record of marginal value and see how it sounds? derp. :p

    I looked at it through a magnifying glass, and after cleaning it, it looks like the diamond I saw still on the tip, but I don’t really know what to look for, and I only got to look for a brief second.
    I am gonna test it tomorrow on a “record of marginal value”, that was bought as a prank for my father. It is an exercise record. I’ll post some pics tomorrow morning.
    Micah
    Not Tom or Trey or Jim just Micah
    KEF Q150s, NAD 1155 preamp and 4155 tuner courtesy of DaddyJT, NAD C352 playing power amp, BJC Belden cables, Technics SL3200, Marantz CD6004 courtesy of Clipdat, Salamander Archetype rack, Millenium Falcon :)
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.

    Resident Child of Club Polk
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,816
    Ummmm....can you post pics of the exercise record? :p
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,675
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Ummmm....can you post pics of the exercise record? :p

    I will tomorrow! :tongue::lol::wink:
    It’s pretty... uh... let’s go with special. :tongue:
    The really funny part about it is that my dad runs 140.6 mile triathlons. :lol:
    Not Tom or Trey or Jim just Micah
    KEF Q150s, NAD 1155 preamp and 4155 tuner courtesy of DaddyJT, NAD C352 playing power amp, BJC Belden cables, Technics SL3200, Marantz CD6004 courtesy of Clipdat, Salamander Archetype rack, Millenium Falcon :)
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.

    Resident Child of Club Polk
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,225
    Having at least one test record is a necessity.

    Ok, here you go my young friend. I've tried to match the perspectives of your photos.
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    I think yours may be ok!
    "Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
    Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,675
    jdjohn wrote: »
    Having at least one test record is a necessity.

    Ok, here you go my young friend. I've tried to match the perspectives of your photos.
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    I think yours may be ok!

    So glad to hear that!!! :grin:
    I’ll post some more pics and look closer tomorrow morning, and test on some records.
    Thanks again guys,
    Micah
    Not Tom or Trey or Jim just Micah
    KEF Q150s, NAD 1155 preamp and 4155 tuner courtesy of DaddyJT, NAD C352 playing power amp, BJC Belden cables, Technics SL3200, Marantz CD6004 courtesy of Clipdat, Salamander Archetype rack, Millenium Falcon :)
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.

    Resident Child of Club Polk
  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,814
    edited June 2018
    BTW Micah, the diamonds used for stylui are commercial/industrial grade, not jewel grade, and not cut the same. You won't get the prismatic effect like you would from a cut jewel.
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,225
    But some look more like gems than others ;) ATN150Sa:
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    "Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
    Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 10,588
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    lightman1 wrote: »
    All my friends have my gear...

    No, not really -- I have some too.

    (ahem)

    You're my friend too...
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 10,588
    edited June 2018
    "You’re welcome to store gear here anytime as well"


    I have tube amps.... The only caveat is to listen to them. Hear what they can offer. Find the song that helps you appreciate what they can do.

    The choice is yours to make.

    Edit: Boogered up the quote thing.
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,675
    @Viking64
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    Me and my Grandpa were looking through a GoodWill when we found this, and we knew at that very second it had to come home with us to be given to dad... although we never thought we would actually be playing it :tongue:
    Micah
    Not Tom or Trey or Jim just Micah
    KEF Q150s, NAD 1155 preamp and 4155 tuner courtesy of DaddyJT, NAD C352 playing power amp, BJC Belden cables, Technics SL3200, Marantz CD6004 courtesy of Clipdat, Salamander Archetype rack, Millenium Falcon :)
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.

    Resident Child of Club Polk
  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,814
    Isn't that the younger sister from White Christmas? Danny Kay was her partner... (Fantastic movie)
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,675
    FestYboy wrote: »
    Isn't that the younger sister from White Christmas? Danny Kay was her partner... (Fantastic movie)

    Maybe??
    Google is my friend...
    Doesn’t seem so.
    Micah
    Not Tom or Trey or Jim just Micah
    KEF Q150s, NAD 1155 preamp and 4155 tuner courtesy of DaddyJT, NAD C352 playing power amp, BJC Belden cables, Technics SL3200, Marantz CD6004 courtesy of Clipdat, Salamander Archetype rack, Millenium Falcon :)
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.

    Resident Child of Club Polk
  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,377
    edited June 2018
    He is thinking of Debbie Reynolds from Singin' In The Rain, I bet.
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    Other; S60'S, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All vintage Polk have had crossover rebuilds and tweeter upgrades.


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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,675
    Sounded good on the exercise record, with no noticeable channel imbalance, so I decided to try it on my least favorite song on The Beatles 67-70 (I Am The Walrus) and the night when it sounded perfect on that, I played Penny Lane, and it sounded perfect on that as we’ll. All that to say, IT WORKS!! and sounds good!
    Thanks all for your help, and especially to Dromunds for giving me the cart in the first place,
    Micah
    Not Tom or Trey or Jim just Micah
    KEF Q150s, NAD 1155 preamp and 4155 tuner courtesy of DaddyJT, NAD C352 playing power amp, BJC Belden cables, Technics SL3200, Marantz CD6004 courtesy of Clipdat, Salamander Archetype rack, Millenium Falcon :)
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.

    Resident Child of Club Polk
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