California Audio Show - July 27-29th - Oakland, CA

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  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 1,972
    Now if we can just get you to attend a Forum Quoting Exhibition everything will be right with the world. :smiley:
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Anyway, I'd like to formally apologize to those who I've butted heads with on the forum (you know who you are), and had foolish arguments with that I refused to back down from. Those only served only to prove my own lack of understanding.

    Suffice to say, I've definitely got a lot to learn, and I'm excited about the journey.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,580
    Clipdat wrote: »
    https://theaudiobeatnik.com/california-audio-show-2018-show-report-2-the-3-best-rooms-on-the-second-floor/

    Interesting how he seemed to really like the Joseph Audio and Zesto Audio rooms, whereas I thought those rooms were nothing special and didn't impress me.

    de gustibus non est disputandum.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,580
    edited August 2
    Whammerdyne reminds me of Dan "Doc Bottlehead" Schmalle's Whamodyne Files of so, so long ago...

    https://www.bottlehead.com/valve/whamodyne files/whamo.html

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    PS You'd have to go a long, long way to better that pair of A5s with what appear to be 1505 multicell horns on top. :)
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,605
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    de gustibus non est disputandum.

    Perhaps, but your comparison of the 1963 split-window Corvette and the old Volkswagon were spot-on. That is the exact reason why I prefer the 1964-1967 Corvettes.
  • arthursarthurs Posts: 9
    Thanks Drew! Appreciate the love thrown our way and that we got to share some great listening with really cool people.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,131
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    Are those the smaller model? How do they sound Skip?
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,131
    Those are the ones you heard. That picture is from much earlier this year.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
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    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • Clipdat wrote: »
    Sierra Nevada Audiophile Society / Quicksilver Audio / Bernhagen-Porter / Syncopation

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    Bernhagen Porter Model 10/12 speakers ($50,000/pair)
    Funk Firm Turntable Vector V with FX3-9″ captive ($4,895)
    Transfiguration Phoenix Cartridge ($6,000)
    Quicksilver Moving Coil Stage ($695)
    Quicksilver Phono Stage Preamplifier ($1,595)
    Quicksilver Line Preamp ($995)
    Quicksilver V4 monoblocks ($6,495/pair)
    Quicksilver Interconnects ($150/ft)
    Heed Abacus 5 Input DAC ($1,395)
    Heed Thesis Delta Transport/Player ($4,200)
    Quadraspire Modular Equipment Rack Q4 Evo Veneer ($876)
    Genesis Component Interface 1.5 meter single-ended RCA interconnect ($3,500/pair)
    Genesis Loudspeaker Interface 3 meter Loudspeaker Cable ($7,200/pair)
    Genesis Power Interface 1.5 meter Component Power Cord ($3,300)
    Genesis Power Interface 1.5 meter Amplifier Power Cord ($3,300)

    Rough total: $94,596

    This is the room that wowed me the most yesterday, but today it was just OK. Perhaps the room is way too small for these speakers.

    I did like how these $50k speakers sounded with female vocals. There was a certain realism to them that I enjoyed. The voices had a great texture coming through, and this is something unique to these speakers that I did not notice on other speakers that I heard.

    I think there was a little disagreement at times in regards to controlling the volume. The main rep would go start a track at a certain volume, and then the other one sitting in the back row would say something like "down slightly" and he'd then he'd turn it down. I thought it would've been more thoughtful if they instead asked the room how the volume levels were and we could've asked for increases/decreases as necessary. This was one of the most quiet rooms I heard, and I don't think playing these speakers at lower volumes was doing them any favors.

    Yesterday I had asked one of the reps if they'd be willing to play a record I brought and they said yes. So I went to their room today around 5:30pm as the show was winding down and asked again and the same rep said that unfortunately they were having "issues" with the turntable. I noticed earlier in the day that it hadn't been used. So I said "Oh ok, well maybe tomorrow then?", and he gave me an uneasy look that was something like a cross between "What the hell is wrong with you?" and "Will you please go away?" and then replied "Well the issue seems to be with the speed controller..." So I took the hint and just said "Ah, ok, well that's too bad" and then left. Maybe they were actually having technical difficulties, or maybe he didn't want to play something that could potentially demonstrate the system in an "unfavorable way". I'm not sure. All I know is my record won't be getting played in this room!

  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 9,929
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  • We tried to get feedback on volume levels from the crowd, but it was like herding cats. One cannot judge volume from between the speaker, hence my verbal instructions. The sound changed radically depending on how crowded the room was. The bloke walking up to the rack was Lyle, and the bloke in the chair was me (David). We are Bernhagen and Porter, and we designed and built the speakers. We will eventually have models from $10K-100K. Trying to build a really good speaker for less than that in the USA doesn't seem possible. Thanks for all the kind feedback! It is most welcome.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    edited August 2
    Hey David, thanks so much for jumping on the forum and sharing some feedback. Also, congrats on first runner up in the ultimate component category for your 10/12 speakers!

    When I quickly visited every room in the hour I was at the show on Friday, yours was the only room where I had a "holy crap!" epiphany. I walked in and there was some sultry female jazz vocals playing, and like I mentioned in my review, the texture of her voice was palpable. I had a moment where I thought to myself "So, this is what real hi-fi sounds like!". I wanted to look around at the others in the room and excitedly point at the speakers and say "OMG are you guys hearing this?!" but I resisted. ;)

    Thanks so much for coming to CAS 8 and bringing your speakers. Perhaps next year I'll get to hear them again! :)
    We tried to get feedback on volume levels from the crowd, but it was like herding cats. One cannot judge volume from between the speaker, hence my verbal instructions. The sound changed radically depending on how crowded the room was. The bloke walking up to the rack was Lyle, and the bloke in the chair was me (David). We are Bernhagen and Porter, and we designed and built the speakers. We will eventually have models from $10K-100K. Trying to build a really good speaker for less than that in the USA doesn't seem possible. Thanks for all the kind feedback! It is most welcome.

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    Art is really excited about the win, he's posting the results link again! :p
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,212
    arthurs wrote: »

    bringing them to lone star?
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  • shadowlightshadowlight Posts: 324
    Manticore wrote: »
    [quote="shadowlight;but the agreement with the better half is that if I get something I have to get rid of something.

    Oh boy o boy, I should not let my wife read this, I will not let my wife read this,
    I cant let my wife read this! Doh o:)

    I come out ahead with the agreement so no complaints from me. She does not give me any hassle when I go out and get new music so working with her on equipment purchase is easy. Also, doing 1 for 1 replacement keeps the clutter away.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,631
    If you'd only learn how to use the quote format Drew.

    Nicely done reviews, thanks.

    I've heard the Pulsar's on tubes.......an emotional experience.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    Good to know that they pair well with tubes! Thanks for the insight!
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    Sounds like this guy had a completely different experience in the Destination Audio room. Strange.

    https://theaudiobeatnik.com/california-audio-show-2018-show-report-3-five-interesting-new-products/

    "Destination Audio Horn Loudspeakers

    The Destination Audio room was one that several other reviewers said they were looking forward to hearing. The Destination Audio Horn Loudspeakers ($95,000/pair) are very interesting with a vintage-looking cabinet and a huge horn mounted on top. I was really looking forward to hearing what this speaker could do, but that didn’t happen either time I was in the room. Even though they had a TriangleArt Master Reference turntable system ($39,999) sitting in the room, they were not using it either time I was there. And even though the speakers are 105dB efficient, they played them at very low volumes. When I asked for the volume to be turned up, I was told that they were playing at the appropriate volume. I heard several others say that they thought the sound was boring. I don’t think it was boring, but I think the digital source and the low volume didn’t show what these speakers can sound like. So, while I found the speakers very interesting, sadly I have no idea how they can sound."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    Thank you Margules Group for featuring my post on your Facebook page! I'm honored!

    Your system was absolutely incredible!

    https://www.facebook.com/MARGULESMX/posts/2144119415660417

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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 957
    That’s really cool
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    edited August 10
    I'm not sure why the author of that article incorrectly states that Margules Group is based out of Tijuana when they are actually based out of Mexico City.

    I was thinking about the Margules Group room last night, and I realized that they didn't have any forearm sized power cables, megabuck power conditioners, shakti stone sitting on top of said power conditioner, cable risers, or any extensive room treatments - only a few small bass traps placed into a small cubby/cutout that was located on the rear wall.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    Another show report with room reviews: https://www.dagogo.com/2018-cas-report-marc-silver-part-1/
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    I'm posting these gorgeous shots from Dave Clark of the Margules gear here because it's like explicit audio pornography to me. I love the real solid wood front on the speaker, and the circuit design engraving on the amp.

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    Amplifier photo courtesy of Margules:

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  • shadowlightshadowlight Posts: 324
    Clipdat wrote: »
    I'm posting these gorgeous shots from Dave Clark of the Margules gear here because it's like explicit audio pornography to me. I love the real solid wood front on the speaker, and the circuit design engraving on the amp.

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    I think it is just light reflection but it looks like the speakers center line is higher than the front edge from below the 2 woofer to the bottom. It looks like that in the Margules Facebook picture also.

    If it really does have that it looks cool to me

  • verbverb Posts: 4,009
    Nicely done review Drew. Very comprehensive. Thanks for taking the time to do this. Now I have to just wipe the drool away. Wow! Never been to a show, but I got a hankering now!
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