Wel wel wel part 2: xlr or power cord?
Joey_V
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Which matters more? The xlr pair or a pair of power cords?
Both will be audioquest's best WEL series wiring.
The guy I bought my Wel signature speaker wire has just emailed me out of the blue and offered either or both.
Seeing as we are all on a budget, I can only buy 1 set.
I have tried the aq nrg10 PC in my system and the difference was quite impressive, nearly equal of the AQ Oak speaker wire.
So what say you?
2 power cords or 1 pair xlr?
The retail and used price is about the same.
Thanks
Both will be audioquest's best WEL series wiring.
The guy I bought my Wel signature speaker wire has just emailed me out of the blue and offered either or both.
Seeing as we are all on a budget, I can only buy 1 set.
I have tried the aq nrg10 PC in my system and the difference was quite impressive, nearly equal of the AQ Oak speaker wire.
So what say you?
2 power cords or 1 pair xlr?
The retail and used price is about the same.
Thanks
Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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XLR. I've been going back and forth between the Wireworld Equinox 7 Silver and a pair of Signal Plus XLR on both the Marsh and Aleph, and, there is noticeable difference between the two. Mainly, gain is improved with XLR. That could set off another set of issues, however, with your components I doubt it. I, however, have no experience with this level of cabling or power cords. Just my 2 cents.
Get both. Just do it. You know you want to, you know it's a great deal, and, you know you have a significant other that is somewhat pliable. Just do it.
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Depends. Do you want a signature sound from source to pre? Or something that might give you a silent background to help you and only you decide which of those cables sounds better after that.
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Get the IC's since you already have the speaker cables. They'll work best together. You can always get some power cords down the road, but get some from a company that is known for their power products.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I have been reading the opposite, that the power cords are more important than the IC.
Seems like AQ responses go Speaker wire then Power cords then IC.
Not sure if it's because IC carries low level signals, while power cords bring in the meat.
All I know is when I popped out the stocks out of my system and popped in the NRG10 (which are $480), the system just jumped. I assume that the WEL being maximum of AQ NRG should yield a considerable jump.
I wasnt planning on spending more money on cabling this earlyMagico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
This year?
That means wait 5 weeks and your conscience can be cleansed.
Stick with the NRGS for now and go IC. Then, in 5 weeks from then, the seller will contact you for a third time....
On the 4th, he offers you his beautiful virgin daughter that might have an already paid for college tuition.
Where’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!! -
This year?
That means wait 5 weeks and your conscience can be cleansed.
Stick with the NRGS for now and go IC. Then, in 5 weeks from then, the seller will contact you for a third time....
On the 4th, he offers you his beautiful virgin daughter that might have an already paid for college tuition.
Always the funny guy eh?? hahahaMagico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
ICs have always made a bigger difference than power cords in my systems. The degree of improvements you receive from power cords (and other power quality enhancements) will depend on several things:
1. The quality of the power from the utility company.
2. Whether or not your audio gear is on a dedicated ac circuit (or multiple ac circuits).
3. The quality of the power supplies in your gear.
Some people found that a dedicated ac circuit (typical $400 - $500) yielded more improvement than an audio grade power cord. This is particularly true for power amps. High performance power cords provide a little bit of noise filtering, but first reducing the amount of noise in the power line yields better results (and usually for less money).
I second F1's suggestion to buy power cords from a company known for their power products. I use AudioQuest's ICs and speaker cables, but they came late to the game in power products and power is not really their forte.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Get the XLRs
on a scale of 1-10 about 3 on a good day, -1 on a bad one.DarqueKnight wrote: »1. The quality of the power from the utility company.
mine is on 3. Two 20As & one 15A protected by an APC H15DarqueKnight wrote: »2. Whether or not your audio gear is on a dedicated ac circuit (or multiple ac circuits).
??? but I'm sure you're right.DarqueKnight wrote: »3.The quality of the power supplies in your gear.
$400-$500?! Mine $ me less than $75 (wire & outlets). What am I missin'?DarqueKnight wrote: »Some people found that a dedicated ac circuit (typical $400 - $500)
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For what it is worth, I have found power (cables, conditioners, dedicated lines) gave me the biggest WTF moments. That might be because I had the ICs in place before going berserk on power.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
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on a scale of 1-10 about 3 on a good day, -1 on a bad one.DarqueKnight wrote: »1. The quality of the power from the utility company.
I gauge power quality in terms of voltage stability over a typical 24 hour period and in terms of the total harmonic distortion. THD of 2.5% is national average. Voltage should stay in the range of 119v-125v.
mine is on 3. Two 20As & one 15A protected by an APC H15DarqueKnight wrote: »2. Whether or not your audio gear is on a dedicated ac circuit (or multiple ac circuits).
Home theater is on two 20As. Two Channel is on three 20As.
??? but I'm sure you're right.DarqueKnight wrote: »3.The quality of the power supplies in your gear.
I was referring to the ability of a component's power supply to filter out power line noise.
$400-$500?! Mine $ me less than $75 (wire & outlets). What am I missin'?DarqueKnight wrote: »Some people found that a dedicated ac circuit (typical $400 - $500)
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The price range I quoted was for an electrician install. Most people aren't going to run wire from the breaker panel, fish wire through the walls, and install outlets, and most
electricians aren't going to install an outlet for less than $75
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Well... XLR got bought from under me.
Couldn't pull the trigger on the XLR. I guess it wasn't meant to be.Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
Snooze ya lose Joey.....personally I would have taken them over the power cord. Too hard to find matching IC's especially on the used markets.HT SYSTEM-
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Cables-
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Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
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Snooze ya lose Joey.....personally I would have taken them over the power cord. Too hard to find matching IC's especially on the used markets.
Yeah I was about to do both sets actually.
But I just didn't want to spend that much just yet as the xlr are twice as expensive as the power cords
I regret not buying the xlr and biting the bullet but I waffles and I have to deal
With the consequences.
I'll have first dibs on future wel sales from
This guy because he has a full loom.
Maybe I'll be ready next time.
But... I put a depo on the power cords!!!
Good
Enough for me!
Nrg10 blew my mind as to the effect of power cords. This being the nrg wel... Should be superb.
Now where's that PayPal button to complete the sale?Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
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LOL....be nice Russ, you know how long it took us to convince Joey cables matter. I'm at least glad to see the cabling is now living up to the rest of the gear. If he still had monster garbage hooked up to that Boulder, you and I would have to pay him a visit, southern style.....with 2 by 4's in hand. lolHT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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Just say the word, Tony.....
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Just say the word, Tony.....
Next step is talking him into some dedicated circuits.
Already got a few.
But I am already planning the real room.
10g ROMEX electrical wiring, dedicated fuse box, 6 dedicated 20 amp outlets. Furutech outlets.
It's going to be killer.
Everything I did wrong, I'm going to do right.
The next room, I'm going to unleash.
I held back too much.Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
LOL....be nice Russ, you know how long it took us to convince Joey cables matter. I'm at least glad to see the cabling is now living up to the rest of the gear. If he still had monster garbage hooked up to that Boulder, you and I would have to pay him a visit, southern style.....with 2 by 4's in hand. lol
You seem like the violent type.Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
LOL....be nice Russ, you know how long it took us to convince Joey cables matter. I'm at least glad to see the cabling is now living up to the rest of the gear. If he still had monster garbage hooked up to that Boulder, you and I would have to pay him a visit, southern style.....with 2 by 4's in hand. lol
You seem like the violent type.
Who...me ?
Nah....I just subscribe to the old saying of speak softly and carry a big stick. lol
Least you scooped up the PC, now it's just a matter of watching and waiting for more IC's to surface.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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LOL....be nice Russ, you know how long it took us to convince Joey cables matter. I'm at least glad to see the cabling is now living up to the rest of the gear. If he still had monster garbage hooked up to that Boulder, you and I would have to pay him a visit, southern style.....with 2 by 4's in hand. lol
You seem like the violent type.
Who...me ?
Nah....I just subscribe to the old saying of speak softly and carry a big stick. lol
Least you scooped up the PC, now it's just a matter of watching and waiting for more IC's to surface.
Yeah just paid for it.
2x PC.
OuchMagico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
@DarqueKnightDarqueKnight wrote: »Two Channel is on three 20As.
I'm in the process of setting up a 2 channel rig and thinking of running 2 20 amp dedicated circuits at the most. What do you have connected to these 3 20 amp circuits?
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I suspect DK is similar to mine, a circuit for each amp, and one for the source gear.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Then I should be golden with 2 since I'm not running mono's?
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@DarqueKnightDarqueKnight wrote: »Two Channel is on three 20As.
I'm in the process of setting up a 2 channel rig and thinking of running 2 20 amp dedicated circuits at the most. What do you have connected to these 3 20 amp circuits?
Bluefox is correct. I have a 20A circuit for each monoblock power amp, both of which are terminated with a PS Audio Soloist SE in-wall passive power conditioner. The power amp circuits are on separate legs of the breaker panel. The third 20A circuit feeds the source components and preamplifiers. That circuit is also terminated with a PS Audio Soloist SE in-wall passive power conditioner. Also on the third 20A circuit is a PS Audio P10 ac regenerator between the Soloist and the components. Power cords are PS Audio AC12.
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I would use a single outlet for each plug.
If I have monoblocks I will need 2 dedicated outlets. The preamp and source go into each. That makes 4.
I'm sure there are more. Phono. TT.
If your source is a transport + dac that's 2.Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
Why would you plug your sources directly into an outlet? You should be plugging them into a surge protecror/conditioner, or better yet a regenerator.
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The source gear should be plugged into a Shunyata Denali. You can thank me later. If you feel like spending money then each amp should be plugged into its own 2 port Denali, but it is worth it if you want maximum performance from your gear.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Why would you plug your sources directly into an outlet? You should be plugging them into a surge protecror/conditioner, or better yet a regenerator.
Into an outlet means the whole unit, conditioner or other.Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
