Low ball offers on audiogon for speakers

Joey_V
Joey_V Posts: 8,583
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Never seen this before.

Selling my 802d2.... Where do these people get off with these ultra low ball offers?

Some guy with zero feedback just sent me an offer for 5,000$. I wish I could just send an e-slap across the audiogon message system.

I guess market is not good.

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  • littlewoodboats
    littlewoodboats Posts: 823
    It seems to be a buyers market. I had listed a 50th anniversary Mc275 and got hit with a barrage of sub $1,000 offers. I am with you on the e-slap idea.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,583
    On a mac275... At less than 1000$? These guys are idiots
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,583
    I had a 7500$ offer that I turned down... Hope the markets not too bad
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  • littlewoodboats
    littlewoodboats Posts: 823
    edited March 2016
    The 50th anniversary Mc275 never got the love of the older units and tends to be scorned by the purists but is still a pretty decent piece.

    Good luck and keep the faith. It took forever for me to sell the amp but the right buyer did come along eventually. It seems there are more people with high end gear for sale than there are high end buyers.

    You are welcome to store your speakers at my house if they are in your way. B)
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,583
    littlewoodboats wrote: »
    The 50th anniversary Mc275 never got the love of the older units and tends to be scorned by the purists but is still a pretty decent piece.

    Good luck and keep the faith. It took forever for me to sell the amp but the right buyer did come along eventually. It seems there are more people with high end gear for sale than there are high end buyers.

    You are welcome to store your speakers at my house if they are in your way. B)

    thanks man... ;)
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,903
    $5100?
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,654
    marvda1 wrote: »
    $5100?

    And we're off......
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  • littlewoodboats
    littlewoodboats Posts: 823
    edited March 2016
    Joey_V wrote: »
    littlewoodboats wrote: »
    The 50th anniversary Mc275 never got the love of the older units and tends to be scorned by the purists but is still a pretty decent piece.

    Good luck and keep the faith. It took forever for me to sell the amp but the right buyer did come along eventually. It seems there are more people with high end gear for sale than there are high end buyers.

    You are welcome to store your speakers at my house if they are in your way. B)

    thanks man... ;)

    Just trying to be helpful. I would come pick them up if it makes your life easier.
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited March 2016
    I am willing to trade a pair of Polk RTA-12Bs and since I'm a nice guy I'll even throw in $50 and I'll wash your car. Let me know.
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    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    edited March 2016
    I offer... A 10 speed schwinn a six pack off yoohoo and 4 used p275 sr15 steel belted radials. now thats a sweet deal joey
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  • littlewoodboats
    littlewoodboats Posts: 823
    Since this has turned into a bidding war here goes. I will include my beloved monitor 7's, $51 dollars, and will hire a buxom lass in a white t-shirt to do the car.
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  • pumpkinman
    pumpkinman Posts: 9,897
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
    I offer... A 10 speed schwinn a six pack off yoohoo and 4 used p275 sr15 steel belted radials. now thats a sweet deal joey

    Now that's funny
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  • hochpt21
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    I'll go a lightly used Fitbit, two $2 bills, a cat. No wait...two cats, and a rough Steve Miller Band lp.
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  • Thorton
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    5 new pairs of shorts!
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,583
    Aaaand Thorton wins!!!

    Alright come by and pick up your Diamonds
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,583
    littlewoodboats wrote: »
    Since this has turned into a bidding war here goes. I will include my beloved monitor 7's, $51 dollars, and will hire a buxom lass in a white t-shirt to do the car.

    A buxom lass eh
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  • Moose68Bash
    Moose68Bash Posts: 3,843
    @Joey_V,

    To get back to a more serious discussion of your topic.

    My experience in purchasing NEW gear in this range has been that you can usually get a 25-30% discount, if you find the right dealer and are a patient negotiator. Those who are impatient, pay a lot more. Of course, very high-end gear that is essentially built-to-order is a different story.

    I was looking at some B&W 802Ds a couple of years back and could have purchased them at a discount in that range.

    This means that an experienced buyer of a used pair is going to start thinking about his/her offer at the discounted price, not the MSRP. Let's say that, at a 25% discount, this beginning number is $11,250.

    This buyer is, then, likely to expect about a 30% discount on a two-years-old pair that shows any signs of wear and tear, such as you have described in your listing. This yields a number of $7,875.

    So, I would say that: 1) The $5,000 offer is definitely a low-ball offer that should simply be ignored. 2) Your asking price of $9,250 on Audiogon, is likely to be considered a ceiling and a starting point for negotiating a lower price. 3) The $7,500 offer was likely a serious offer to which a counter offer might have been an appropriate step toward a mutually agreed price.

    I assume you have given serious thought to the lowest offer that you are willing to accept. If this is $9,250, I would say you are not likely to get it.

    Just my thoughts.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,583
    Beginning number is skewed as 11250+ tax or freight. Either adds about 800.

    Total cost is atleast 12000-12500.

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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,583
    If the guy asks for 8, it's his
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,583
    Just not 7500
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    Tell him 8, he might be assuming he's not even in the ballpark if you just said no thanks.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    About 4-5 years ago, I had an opportunity to get a mint pair of 802D2 for about 9K. So, fast forward a few years and 7.5K or 8K in today's market value is not too bad. You just need to wait for a more serious buyers.
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,903
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Just not 7500

    try telling him you will split the difference, that's $8375. i find a lot of times buyers look at this as a fair compromise and you get more than your lowest price.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    Joey, no one accounts for tax and shipping......well, except you. ;)
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  • littlewoodboats
    littlewoodboats Posts: 823
    edited March 2016
    Joey_V wrote: »
    A buxom lass eh

    It was the best I could come up with on the fly to get past Vanilla's censor. I would have offered to do it myself but no one wants to watch that.

    If someone was close with $7500 the the old "I will split the difference with you" as marvda1 pointed out will often get you where you wanted to be at your minimum.

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  • footwedge
    footwedge Posts: 475
    Joey_V wrote: »
    If the guy asks for 8, it's his

    Include the pic with your shirts and I bet you get your asking price. :)
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,583
    cool thanks fellas
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,779
    Joey_V wrote: »
    littlewoodboats wrote: »
    Since this has turned into a bidding war here goes. I will include my beloved monitor 7's, $51 dollars, and will hire a buxom lass in a white t-shirt to do the car.

    A buxom lass eh

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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    Seems to be the case with low ball offers on the gon. My esoteric player I sold had the same thing happen where I got a ton of offers at 400-500 and had to wait about a week to get the offers I would expect. Same thing when I sold some speakers as well.
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  • Moose68Bash
    Moose68Bash Posts: 3,843
    edited March 2016
    F1nut wrote: »
    Joey, no one accounts for tax and shipping......well, except you. ;)

    @F1nut,

    You took the words right out of my mouth! :)

    I live in tax-free New Hampshire, and I would have picked up the speakers myself. You can't add in your specific tax and freight costs, because their different for folks in different places.

    The buyer of your speakers, furthermore, will have his/her own freight costs.
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