Considering an AVR upgrade...
mdaudioguy
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Thinking about moving on from my Yammie Aventage AVR, model RX-A1000. Sonically, it's been a fantastic performer. The only thing that irks me is I installed 9 speakers in my theater room. Although it's only a 7-channel receiver, it has connections for 9 speakers, so I thought I'd be able to run all 9, since I've also incorporated a 5-channel amp... But, it seems the processor can only manage 7 speakers at once. In particular, I'm limited to either the presence speakers or back speakers. Should have read the manual before adding those last two speakers! I'd love to have a full 7.1, plus the presence speakers, so it looks like I'd have to upgrade to one of the 9-channel models.
I'd probably be sticking with Yamaha, since presence is their thing. I guess I could try some other brand and configure the presence speakers as front heights, but I also like the Dialog Lift feature Yamaha incorporates, since my front three all sit below my screen. It really does work.
Just fishing for any alternative thoughts or recommendations anyone here might have... Thanks!
I'd probably be sticking with Yamaha, since presence is their thing. I guess I could try some other brand and configure the presence speakers as front heights, but I also like the Dialog Lift feature Yamaha incorporates, since my front three all sit below my screen. It really does work.
Just fishing for any alternative thoughts or recommendations anyone here might have... Thanks!
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Pioneer,Onkyo(*they are now the same company btw*)Denon,NAD.
Just be prepared to pay no less than a grand for what you want. -
Downside with the Onkyo's Accueq, there new calabration. The don't run the cal on the front 2 speakers. Think I read that on an article from AVS.
The Marantz 7010 looks good also. If price were a consideration I would probably go with the Yamaha 2050 myself. Don't think there's a better bang for your buck on the market better than that one. -
honestaquarian wrote: »Pioneer,Onkyo(*they are now the same company btw*).
That's incorrect. Pioneer and Sharp are in bed with each other.
Political Correctness'.........defined
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Announcement concerning the reorganization of subsidiary companies
Asset Purchase, Change in corporate name, New directors
This is to announce that Onkyo, effective as of March 2, 2015 has resolved to reorganize Onkyo’s subsidiary companies (“Subsidiary reorganization”) at Onkyo’s Board of Directors Meeting held on March 2, 2015, as follows:
I.The objectives and summary of Subsidiary reorganization
1.The objective for Subsidiary reorganization
Onkyo group has been taking various measures to respond flexibly to the rapidly changing market. As a part of this move, Onkyo and Pioneer Corporation (“Pioneer”) have continued discussions for the unification of the home AV business, the phone business, and the headphone-related business of Pioneer Group (Hereinafter, “Pioneer subject business”) with Onkyo’s. Based on the “Announcement concerning the finalization of the conditions for the issue of new shares through a third party allocation to Pioneer Corporation, the change in major shareholders, and the change concerning a specified subsidiary company” dated February 13, 2015, and as publicized in the “Announcement concerning the completion of payment for the issue of new shares through third party allocation and the change in the controlling shareholder” and “Announcement concerning the acquisition of shares accompanying change to subsidiaries”, both dated March 2, 2015, we are proud to announce that as of March 2, 2015, the issue of new shares of Onkyo through a third party allocation of shares to Pioneer, the change in major shareholders and the change in specific subsidiary companies, and the acquisition of home AV business and headphone-related business overseas conducted by a part of the overseas subsidiary companies of the Pioneer group (“Overseas business”) have been completed.
Accompanying these events, with the objective of making approach to business under a new structure to further strengthen the home AV business and to continue both the Onkyo and the Pioneer brands, business reorganization, involving the transfer of business among Onkyo’s subsidiaries (“Business transfer among Subsidiaries”) and the transfer of Overseas business to Onkyo’s subsidiaries will be conducted, together with the change in trade names of Onkyo’s subsidiaries as well as the appointment of new directors.
With these changes, we will aim to optimize the management resources and business of Onkyo’s subsidiaries, establish an organizational structure to promote approaches towards new businesses, and to further streamline corporate management, improve the performance and enhance the corporate value.
2.Summary of subsidiaries subject to reorganization and subsidiary business reorganization.
(1)Main business of subsidiaries subject to reorganization:
•Pioneer Home Electronics Corporation (“PHE”)
Planning, development, manufacturing and marketing of audio visual related products.
•Onkyo Marketing Japan Corporation (“OMJ”)
Marketing of audio visual related products in Japan.
•Onkyo Entertainment Technology Corporation (“OET”)
Products business for contents management, distribution, creation, planning and development of Hi-Res music and lifestyle planning product business, CRM business focusing on sales promotion, repairs of audio and PC products, customer support, new business development, and the planning, development and marketing of various products, such as digital signage, etc.
•Digital Acoustic Corporation (“DAC”)
Design and development of audio visual related products.
•Pioneer & Onkyo U.S.A. Corporation (“POU”)
Marketing of audio visual related products in North Americas.
•Onkyo Europe Electronics GmbH (“Onkyo Europe)
Marketing of audio visual related products in Europe.
•Onkyo Marketing Asia Ltd.(“Onkyo Asia”)
Marketing of audio visual related products in the Asian region, with focus on China.
(2)Summary of subsidiary business reorganization
[1]Business transfer among Subsidiaries:
Partial transfer of business will be made from PHE to consolidated subsidiaries of Onkyo. Transfers of domestic marketing business of home AV products will be made to OMJ, the headphone-related and phone business to OET, and the design related business to DAC.
[2]Transfer of Overseas business to subsidiaries:
The Overseas business acquired by Onkyo will be transferred to the overseas subsidiaries of Onkyo.
[3]Change in the trade name of subsidiary companies and appointment of new directors:
For the purpose of continuing both the Onkyo and Pioneer brand deployment, each subsidiary will change their trade names to those using the brands of both companies, that have permeated the audio market over a long period. At the same time, new directors will be appointed to further enhance the brand power and expansion of business.
II.Summary of Business transfer among Subsidiaries
(1)The reason for Business transfer among Subsidiaries and details of the business transfer:
In the unification of Onkyo and Pioneer subject business, functions common to both related to marketing and design will be consolidated to Onkyo’s consolidated subsidiaries, to manage the functions under a uniform control, and target for the enhancement of business competitiveness and profit earning strength. Business related to domestic sales will be transferred to OMJ and business concerning design to DAC. In order to capture the Hi-Res market, which is expected to grow further through the enhancement of lifestyle planned products focused on headphones, the headphone-related and phone business will be transferred to OET, who operates “e-onkyo music”, the Hi-Res music distribution site, targeting to provide a new music experience in both software and hardware.
(2)Business transfer date: March 2, 2015
III. Summary of transfer of Overseas business
As of March 2, 2015, the transfer of Overseas business acquired from Pioneer group have been completed, with business related to marketing in North Americas transferred to POU, business related to marketing in Europe to Onkyo Europe, business related to marketing in the Asian region focusing on China to Onkyo Asia, and business related to overseas marketing in other areas to Onkyo.
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Hmmmm....I stand corrected. My info showed Sharp was in bed with Pioneer. In fact, I recall Mantis commenting not long ago that the Pioneer Blu-ray players were actually Sharp.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Yes, news to me, too: Onkyo & Pioneer Corporation. Who'd a thunk it?
http://www.onkyo.com/companyprofile/index.html -
honestaquarian, a link would have been a better idea.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
But it seems there isn't any crossover between their AVRs, as of yet. Anyhow, like I said, leaning toward another Yammie, and I'm not opposed to buying something older than their most recent series. I'm thinking that anything from the RX-A2010 on up might do. Denon and Marantz are also intriguing to me, but not sure about height vs presence speakers, among other features.
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Won't get an alternative out of me either, Aventage are fantastic AVRs as far as AVRs go. Check out accessories 4 less website, you can buy refurb models at substantial savings with a warranty.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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@mdaudioguy I got a 2030 for just that reason and only paid 799 nib
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honestaquarian, a link would have been a better idea.
If I could have gotten a page and shared the link I would have.However it is part of an entire page of news updates and you wouldhave to look for it.So I copied and pasted since no one would bother to do that amongst all of those stories. -
I just passed on an open box RX-2040 at Best Buy. They had it marked just over $1k, but dropped to $620 when I asked about it. No remote or calibration mic, but they said they could probably find them in the back... Plus, it had some marks on the front. It was plugged in and powered on, for no apparent reason, since nothing was connected to it. Probably not a bad deal, but just didn't feel like a good one.
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1010 owner here and at this point I would have to stick with the Aventage. They just don't seem to have many reliability issues. They sound very good too.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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mdaudioguy wrote: »I just passed on an open box RX-2040 at Best Buy. They had it marked just over $1k, but dropped to $620 when I asked about it. No remote or calibration mic, but they said they could probably find them in the back... Plus, it had some marks on the front. It was plugged in and powered on, for no apparent reason, since nothing was connected to it. Probably not a bad deal, but just didn't feel like a good one.
The 2040 is a beautiful AVR, I've had mine for over a year and it works flawlessly.
As for a mic I've just ran the calibration with my old Harmon Karmon mic and then again with the Yammy same results just so I could let you know that you could use another brand if you have one lying around.
For $620 and a warranty I think is a great deal.
Cheers
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if you can wait for the rx-2050 to hit your price point. This one will support atoms and dts:x. dts:x gives a lot of flexibility for additional speaker placement like front and rear height. If you can wait you'll be covered with the new formats for years to come.
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If it was today, I might have gone Yamaha.
I went Denon 4520ci and it has been great (once I figured out what I was doing)
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Found an open box RX-A2040 at BB marked at $1,078 with full warranty. I wasn't really interested, considering a refurb from Accessories4less is $800. I asked if they could go any lower. The salesman came back with $999. I told him it would have to be more like $600. He came back with $539 after talking with a manager. Sold. I'll be putting my A1000 in the FM in a day or two.
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Nice! Best Buy usually price matches and beats it by 10%. It's a good way to swindle them a little cheaper. Although I've been told by some Best Buy employees they don't price match returb units. You got a steal!2 channel:
Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
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Dang what a deal...congratsOh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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Hmmmm....I stand corrected. My info showed Sharp was in bed with Pioneer. In fact, I recall Mantis commenting not long ago that the Pioneer Blu-ray players were actually Sharp.
You are partially right F1, although I think it was just a one-time thing and only involved TV.
I know that when Pioneer decided to get out of the TV business that Sharp collaborated with Pioneer to make their "Elite" LED TVs. They were labeled as Pioneer Elite but they were really made by Sharp. I really wanted one bad but they cost $7,000. But the picture was phenomenal!
Here's a picture of one from 2011:
I remember reading up on them and then one day I visited a Best Buy in Toledo, OH I actually saw a 70" Elite. It was in a room with several other brands including the latest Sony Bravia flagship. The Elite hands-down had the best picture. The best TV I had seen up to that point. I thought it even looked better than my Kuro plasma. I posted a thread on it on the previous version of the Polk forum back in 2012 I think after I saw it. Someone on here may remember it.
Of course I'm glad now I didn't get one back then because the new 4K HDTVs are dirt cheap in comparison and even better. I did buy a nice 60" Sharp Aquos instead though and still have it. It's a pretty-nice TV too.
I don't know if Sharp has collaborated with Pioneer since 2011 because I don't think they sold a whole lot of the $7,000 TVs back then. I'm pretty-sure it was a one-time thing.
http://www.sharpusa.com/AboutSharp/NewsAndEvents/PressReleases/2011/August/2011_08_04_Elite_Press_Release.aspx -
Oh yeah, I also bought an open box TV, too...
Wait, what's this thread about? Oh. I think I'll start another thread to talk about TVs.
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You are correct on this info as Pioneer and Sharp go pretty far back.Hmmmm....I stand corrected. My info showed Sharp was in bed with Pioneer. In fact, I recall Mantis commenting not long ago that the Pioneer Blu-ray players were actually Sharp.
This new merger is cool and disturbing in the same breath.
I sell both brands for different reasons. I personally prefer Pioneer over Onkyo for pure sound quality and I love the internal USB DAC of the Flag Ship model.
I think these 2 companies IF they do it right, they let Pioneer handle the sound quality and Onkyo the feature sets with combining their features with Pioneer's. Then offer an amazing separates package and I'm in heaven.
Onkyo amps are good but not my cup of tea. I think they are weak especially their stand alone home theater multichannel amp. Pioneer could do a much better job IF they decided to release a multichannel amp with their D3 technology.
Turn on settings, Video splitting with audio are really the only features Pioneer could benefit from a combination unit built from both companies. I feel Pioneer is superior in every way unless you need a few of the custom features the Integra Line provides.
In ways now thinking about it, I think this is sad that both companies feel they need to merge together in order to survive.
Denon and Marantz did this years ago and I'm not a fan of those companies at all.Dan
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mdaudioguy wrote: »Thinking about moving on from my Yammie Aventage AVR, model RX-A1000. Sonically, it's been a fantastic performer. The only thing that irks me is I installed 9 speakers in my theater room. Although it's only a 7-channel receiver, it has connections for 9 speakers, so I thought I'd be able to run all 9, since I've also incorporated a 5-channel amp... But, it seems the processor can only manage 7 speakers at once. In particular, I'm limited to either the presence speakers or back speakers. Should have read the manual before adding those last two speakers! I'd love to have a full 7.1, plus the presence speakers, so it looks like I'd have to upgrade to one of the 9-channel models.
I'd probably be sticking with Yamaha, since presence is their thing. I guess I could try some other brand and configure the presence speakers as front heights, but I also like the Dialog Lift feature Yamaha incorporates, since my front three all sit below my screen. It really does work.
Just fishing for any alternative thoughts or recommendations anyone here might have... Thanks!
Personally I would move up the Yamaha AVENTAGE line. My RX-3010 leaves nothing to be desired, they are simply that good. You can really move up the AVENTAGE line if you don't mind going with a factory refurb or used. Accessories4less is a great site for factory refurbs.
"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Keep reading.... I did!pearsall001 wrote: »mdaudioguy wrote: »Thinking about moving on from my Yammie Aventage AVR, model RX-A1000. Sonically, it's been a fantastic performer. The only thing that irks me is I installed 9 speakers in my theater room. Although it's only a 7-channel receiver, it has connections for 9 speakers, so I thought I'd be able to run all 9, since I've also incorporated a 5-channel amp... But, it seems the processor can only manage 7 speakers at once. In particular, I'm limited to either the presence speakers or back speakers. Should have read the manual before adding those last two speakers! I'd love to have a full 7.1, plus the presence speakers, so it looks like I'd have to upgrade to one of the 9-channel models.
I'd probably be sticking with Yamaha, since presence is their thing. I guess I could try some other brand and configure the presence speakers as front heights, but I also like the Dialog Lift feature Yamaha incorporates, since my front three all sit below my screen. It really does work.
Just fishing for any alternative thoughts or recommendations anyone here might have... Thanks!
Personally I would move up the Yamaha AVENTAGE line. My RX-3010 leaves nothing to be desired, they are simply that good. You can really move up the AVENTAGE line if you don't mind going with a factory refurb or used. Accessories4less is a great site for factory refurbs. -
mdaudioguy wrote: »Found an open box RX-A2040 at BB marked at $1,078 with full warranty. I wasn't really interested, considering a refurb from Accessories4less is $800. I asked if they could go any lower. The salesman came back with $999. I told him it would have to be more like $600. He came back with $539 after talking with a manager. Sold. I'll be putting my A1000 in the FM in a day or two.
That's a fantastic deal, nice score getting half off a good price to begin with.
Cheers
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Yep. You know you've upgraded when you have to mod your rack. Didn't occur to me that it would be taller and deeper. My gear is in a cabinet that wasn't necessarily meant for that purpose, but otherwise works great. I had to cut a larger hole in the back panel...
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It will be worth the trouble, I have the same AVR and it's a beast. With all the other ones I've had I was never happy with them until I got the Yammy it just does everything you could want from a AVR.
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Where ya been Phil ? I tell ya I have a man crush on you and you disappear ?
Smart man......seriously, miss your input around here.HT SYSTEM-
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Not to worry Tony, still here!!! I've just been off in multiple directions lately. I'm still checking in, just not posting as much as I used to. Nice to hear from you bro!!! As Arnold said..."I'll be back""2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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