Receiver suggestion

dizzy
dizzy Posts: 91
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My setup is:
Fronts polk RTi8
center polk cs2 (planning on upgrading to a csi5 soon)
rear polk monitor 70
surround back polk monitor 60

My current receiver is a pioneer elite sc-05. The surround back right terminal quit working so I'm in the market to upgrade. I am looking at an Onkyo tx-nr646. Will that be an overall upgrade and be sufficient for my setup? Suggestions would be great. Thanks
Pioneer sc-07
center-CSi5
fronts-RTi8
Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    DSkip wrote: »
    Put the brakes on that one. See if you can find someone local to fix that terminal. What exactly is the issue?

    That Onkyo will utterly fail in comparison to the SC-05.

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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    No sound comes out of the speaker on the right terminal. I hooked the right speaker to the left terminal and it worked so I know its the terminals.

    What receivers out now would be an upgrade without breaking the bank?
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • Thorton
    Thorton Posts: 1,324
    I agree with Skip and F1. And you would need to break the bank. I would at least get a quote on having it repaired.
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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    Thank you. I will check on getting it fixed. If I was willing to break the bank- what would you suggest? No more than $1800
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    $1800 is enough to buy a very good refurb upper tier AVR as well as a used amplifier.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • seabeerob213
    seabeerob213 Posts: 1,843
    Would separates be out of the question, an outlaw and a used amp should be able to squeeze into that budget
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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    Ok. I don't know much of anything about amps. Do I need an amp to power the whole system or just some of the speakers? I have not heard of an outlaw.
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • seabeerob213
    seabeerob213 Posts: 1,843
    edited December 2015
    They're affordable audio equiptment, their pre amps I had been recommended in the past, by others on here, but I have yet to hear one myself, great reviews though.
    2 Channel(work in progress):DAC: Schiit modi 2 uberAmp:Parasound 1200 MK IISub:RBH 1010-SEP Speakers: Monitor 5A peerlesscurrently running some krk rokit 3g since the HK pre outs died and i need to start breaking everything down to move in a couple monthsHeadphones:Source: tidalDAC: schiit modius epre: schiit sysAmp: AQ dragonfly black/ schiit magni2 Cans: Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i, sennheiser x drop gaming headsetPC:DAC: schiit modius e(over spdif)pre: schiit sysspeakers: prenous eris 5 xtSub: Earthquake Sound MiniMe-P63most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know :)"WITH WILLING HEARTS AND SKILLFUL HANDS, THE DIFFICULT WE DO AT ONCE, THE IMPOSSIBLE TAKES A BIT LONGER, WITH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS. WE BUILD - WE FIGHT FOR PEACE WITH FREEDOM"Seabee Memorial, Arlington, VA
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  • seabeerob213
    seabeerob213 Posts: 1,843
    http://www.outlawaudio.com/
    2 Channel(work in progress):DAC: Schiit modi 2 uberAmp:Parasound 1200 MK IISub:RBH 1010-SEP Speakers: Monitor 5A peerlesscurrently running some krk rokit 3g since the HK pre outs died and i need to start breaking everything down to move in a couple monthsHeadphones:Source: tidalDAC: schiit modius epre: schiit sysAmp: AQ dragonfly black/ schiit magni2 Cans: Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i, sennheiser x drop gaming headsetPC:DAC: schiit modius e(over spdif)pre: schiit sysspeakers: prenous eris 5 xtSub: Earthquake Sound MiniMe-P63most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know :)"WITH WILLING HEARTS AND SKILLFUL HANDS, THE DIFFICULT WE DO AT ONCE, THE IMPOSSIBLE TAKES A BIT LONGER, WITH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS. WE BUILD - WE FIGHT FOR PEACE WITH FREEDOM"Seabee Memorial, Arlington, VA
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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    I think I might want to stick with just receiver for now. Atleast until I understand pre-amp and all that more. If I buy a new one instead of fixing the pioneer, I don't want it to be a downgrade. Thank you everyone for your help.
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    edited December 2015
    I can stick with Pioneer elite. Which Elite model will be a significant upgrade to my sc-05?
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    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    Your current AVR has an ICE amp. The new Elites use a different class D amp, but still very good although not quite as powerful as your curent AVR. The only real upgrade would be things like being 4K and ATMOS capable.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,966
    I would get yours fixed, put the other money you'd spend into your system elsewhere.
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  • footwedge
    footwedge Posts: 475
    F1nut wrote: »
    Your current AVR has an ICE amp. The new Elites use a different class D amp, but still very good although not quite as powerful as your curent AVR. The only real upgrade would be things like being 4K and ATMOS capable.

    Did not know this about the ice vs D amps. I've been thinking about replacing my sc27 with the sc82 because my 27 has a faulty left preout. The sound output is very low compared to the right preout when connected to the B&K amp. I had the amp checked and it's good. Also used the oppo as a pre and the sound output was balanced.

    Is there a testing device that can check a preout jack?



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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    Yamaha Aventage RX-2030 / 2040.
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  • PolkieMan
    PolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    I would, if it was me, probably look into this unit http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/onktxnr838/onkyo-tx-nr838-7.2-atmos-network-a/v-receiver-hdmi-2.0-wi-fi/bluetooth-sale-reduced-50/1.html
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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    I was looking at the outlaw model 5000. Would that be sufficient? If so, what speakers other than the front 3 should I hook up to it? Its 120 watts per channel. Should I go with more or will that be a significant increase in sound quality?
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • scubalab
    scubalab Posts: 3,101
    Don't know much about the Outlaw Model 5000, but have heard good things about many of their products. If you're planning on amping 5 of your 7 channels, I'd go with the front 3, then the surrounds (side), and let the AVR power the rears. No real rule, just go with what sounds better (amping the surrounds or rears).

    I'm currently running an Anthem MRX500 AVR and it's powering just my rears. I have a Rotel RMB-1075 (5x125W) amp powering the front 3 and the surrounds. The Anthem is a no-frills powerhouse AVR that comes with ARC (room correction that is second to none on the consumer end). I think I have around $1000 - $1100 in the duo (both bought used). The Anthem did just fine on its own, but the Rotel brought it to the next level. I now hear things I never heard before (and in this case... that's a good thing! :p )
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,966
    dizzy wrote: »
    I was looking at the outlaw model 5000. Would that be sufficient? If so, what speakers other than the front 3 should I hook up to it? Its 120 watts per channel. Should I go with more or will that be a significant increase in sound quality?

    Hooked up to what ? The pioneer ?? Thought you were having issues with it ? The Onkyo you mentioned I don't think has preouts to add an amplifier to it.

    The Pioneer on it's own vs. the outlaw amp.....might be a slight improvement. The rti8's are not that hard to drive, most any beefy receiver would do ok with them. However the Onkyo 646 wouldn't be classified as a beefy receiver.

    If you want to ditch the Pioneer, buy another receiver , then buy a better one so you won't need an additional amp. When it comes to separate amps, I'd look in the 200 watts per channel categories, that way if you move up to more demanding speakers down the road, your not also having to buy a better amp too.

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    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    dizzy wrote: »
    I was looking at the outlaw model 5000. Would that be sufficient? If so, what speakers other than the front 3 should I hook up to it? Its 120 watts per channel. Should I go with more or will that be a significant increase in sound quality?
    Wait, what am I missing? I feel like I am dizzy! LOL! The only think wrong with your SC-05 is a bad surround back channel? Maybe you have a savvy friend of a tech that will repair it for cheap. Maybe a shop can repair it at the component level for $120-$200? If not, the power amp board is $497 alone!!!

    If the surround back pre-amp output is working, pick up a used 100-125 w/ channel amp for about $100 on CL, ebay, forums, usaudiomart, etc. to power the rears surround channels and keep it moving. The SC-05 is a very good unit.



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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    I am going to get it fixed but was thinking of possible getting an amp. If the pioneer is that good then I won't worry about an amp. I just figured an amp would help with sound quality, not that it sounds bad but it can always get better.
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    Here's another question? How much better would my setup sound if I went in the direction of a preamp and amp(s)? I am not familiar with preamps but have been doing some research. Am I correct in saying a preamp is like an avr without the amplifiers?
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    Correct

    You can also use the SC-05 as a preamp
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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    That's good to know. Thank you.
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    Are older Sunfire amps worth buying? Like a TGA5400. My pioneer is working right now. It seems to come and go. Been fine for a few days now. I'm trying to figure out if I should go with a 3 channel amp and a 5 channel or just a 7 channel. I am having difficulties deciding on amp or no amp, which ones, how many. I want my setup to sound the best it can.
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • honestaquarian
    honestaquarian Posts: 3,186
    I would say get the receiver fixed if you can.Otherwise Sunfire would be an excellent outboard amp. I own a Cinema grand Signature and this thing NEVER runs out of power. Sunfire and just prior to Bob Carver starting that company,Carver Corp had the very first signal tracking power supply amps on the market long before anyone was able to make the class D digital amps (*which the ICE power modules are btw*) work.
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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    Well that settles it then. I will not purchase an amp. I'll figure out where else in my setup to spend money. Any suggestions? I have monitors for my surrounds. What would be a better fit for my front 3?
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • honestaquarian
    honestaquarian Posts: 3,186
    @dizzy
    The best advice I have given over the years about surround speakers (*besides sticking with the same brand to timbre match*) is to elevate them above the head. You may not be able to do that with those floor standers unfortunately.
    The reason for elevating them above the head is because that is the way they are in all movie theaters. So the surround mix is designed for elevated surrounds. This is industry standard and you would would surprised at the difference it makes when you can and do elevate the surrounds. This is why it is usually best to use bookshelf speakers for the surrounds, unless your room is bloody HUGE!
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  • dizzy
    dizzy Posts: 91
    I would like to upgrade my surrounds if I knew what would be a good match to my fronts. I'm sure my wife would love getting rid of the floor standing speakers. I need recommendations on surrounds and possibly a sub upgrade.
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
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  • honestaquarian
    honestaquarian Posts: 3,186
    @dizzy
    The Rti4's or 6's would be the perfect match and they can go up on the walls.
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