Supplements , What are you taking and why?

mantis

Ok,
So I have been lifting with my Son for about a year now. I have seen some results in strength , weight and Cardio.
I don't take mega ultra supplements but I do a few things.
before a workout I take a Prework out drink. It's called PE1 from Labrada Nutrician. This gives me a pump and some energy that lasts the entire workout no matter how hard we go. And let me tell you, working out with 20 year old guys is tuff. My son has basically a clan of guys in the gym all his age and all work hard. This old dog has to try and keep up.
Then right after the workout I come home from the Gym and drink a Meal replacement shake. This is not a Protein shake , it's a meal replacement. It's also Labrada Nutrician in the Lean Body Shake. I change flavors as I drink them all.
Now for the daily but not every day I take Whole Foods Fish Oil. This I take about 4 to 5 times a week once a day with food. Usually in the morning or at my Mid Morning meal.
Then I also do a Multivitamin which is made by Garden of Life. It's called Mykind Organics Men's Multi 40+. They say to take 2 tablets a day as a serving once a day but I decided to go lowered and only take 1 a day maybe 4 to 5 times a week.
Again I don't believe in taking mega ultra amounts of these things as I want to add to my intake not be my intake.
Other then that my diet is 5 to 6 meal a day small around 300- 500 calories per meal. I have lost 10 lbs over the last year and kept it off. I dropped a pant size and probably added a few lbs in Lean body mass. I'm bigger Muscle wise and smaller fat wise.
My Main drink of choice is water which I drink about 4 to 5 bottle 1 oz spring water a day. I also will drink a 12 oz coffee in the morning. Thats it for what I drink usually.
On the weekend if I choose to do it, I'll have some wine or beer. I don't drink more then 1 or 2 Beers at a time or glasses of wine. Wine does take over my decisions and there are times where I will drink 3 glasses. I don't drink a full bottle.

What are you guys taking?

cnh

No pre-workouts here. Never use them. Also, I have to have you by at least 10-15 years, Dan. I'm OLDER! Much older.

I'm in the gym twice a week for about 1.5-2 hours-full body workout. And on a treadmill, slight incline, or recumbent bike an hour a day 4-5 times a week. Protein bar or shake after each of these activities-at least 30 grams of protein a shot. Usually throw some fruit and yogurt in there as well.

I also, regularly ENRICH the local sewers with my Vit. and Min. Supplements. Use Puritan Pride products. Mega-Vits-Minerals for Men (iron free formula), fish oil, D3, Resveratrol, Vit C, Garlic pills, Calcium, Saw Palmetto, tumeric, etc. Yeah, yeah...I hear the FDA and Big Pharma coughing, laughing, and getting pissed because they'd love to "regulate" all of this. And the AMA keeps telling people that you can get all of this eating a balanced diet of nutrition depleted American foods? lol Oh, I also have a couple of squares of 90 percent cocoa chocolate in the morning, a cup and a half of coffee. Then tea the rest of the day. I keep my REFINED sugars to a MINIMUM, almost zero-but that's hard to do. A lot of my diet would fall under what many fitness dudes refer to as BRO-FOODS.

I do try to eat smaller meals, four or five a day. Dinner is usually a little more normal. Fiber and protein are regulated throughout those meals. I shoot for 115-130 grams of protein a day. A little high, but nothing like what most crazies who body build or power-lift take in! You don't need super high protein to maintain what you have (IMO you need at least 90-100 grams of protein a day to maintain whatever muscle mass you have if you are close to 200 lbs), and when you're my age, you are NOT going to make much in the way of GAINS! And if you do, I PITY your joints!

The only thing I use is protein powder. Creatine is NOT a good thing for an older guy's KIDNEYS! You youngsters are OK there. But I plan on using my kidneys for a few more decades?

And, remember, as you age those Test. levels are in free fall! So just holding on to what you have is a REAL struggle, and the joints like heavy weight LESS and LESS. Tendons are not as elastic, ligaments tighten up, arthritis begins to rear its UGLY head and MDs tell you you should lift kiddie weights, or do water aerobics! lol Not doing that, yet.

Move it or LOSE it! At this point my model is Jack LaLanne. What that guy could do in his 70s and 80s was nothing short of phenomenal! And I'm nowhere near that yet. So for you guys in your 50s and 60s, if you can't do 50+ pushups, 10-12 full body pull ups, 150 or more crunches, grab a 50 lb dumbbell and do 50+ goblet squats, well, get off the couch and start working out! And if your waist is over 38-39" slow down on the beer and chicken wings! IMHO it should be 36" or less, or better yet under 34"-can't say I've been at 34 since I returned from a year in China. That's a tough one!

tonyb

cnh wrote: »

I also, regularly ENRICH the local sewers with my Vit. and Min. Supplements. Use Puritan Pride products. Mega-Vits-Minerals for Men (iron free formula), fish oil, D3, Resveratrol, Vit C, Garlic pills, Calcium, Saw Palmetto, tumeric, etc. Yeah, yeah...I hear the FDA and Big Pharma coughing, laughing, and getting pissed because they'd love to "regulate" all of this. And the AMA keeps telling people that you can get all of this eating a balanced diet of nutrition depleted American foods? lol Oh, I also have a couple of squares of 90 percent cocoa chocolate in the morning, a cup and a half of coffee. Then tea the rest of the day. I keep my REFINED sugars to a MINIMUM, almost zero-but that's hard to do. A lot of my diet would fall under what many fitness dudes refer to as BRO-FOODS.

!

You and I have more in common than you may think.

First off, I'd be leary of any of those gym "man" drinks/shakes. They are filled with garbage.

Also agree, mass produced food these days isn't the same nutrient wise as days of yore. That's why I like to shop local farms for produce, local Butchers with grass fed beef, no steroids, gmo crap or hormones. I also don't drink from plastic containers anymore. Milk is in Glass, organic and whole. Rarely do I drink pop or bottled water. Wine comes in glass, beer comes in glass, and I use a blender to make fruit juices from....go figure....real fruit, skins and all. Also drink a lot of tea.

Cocoa is excellent too and I also cut way back on the refined sugars. A quality pro-biotic for us old schmucks should be on your radar too. Cottage cheese....put it on the list. Drizzle some olive oil or flaxseed oil on top for the added benefits.

....and so you know, or anyone ready this, the good oils you hear about are only good when taken in their natural state. In other words, once you cook with them....like frying, the nutritional benefit is gone. May taste great...but that's where it ends.

Once you start putting quality back into your foods and drinks, you'll notice a change. I supplement with a quality fish oil, X-TEND Life products out of New Zealand.

cnh

I'm with you, Tony.

Greek yogurt every day, the kind with "active" yogurt cultures. Olive Oil, an almost fountain of youth and it tastes good too! I use quality whey protein isolates, they're not cheap so not a lot of extras in there-nothing pre-mixed from a bottle. Use my own milk. We have a local dairy up here that does not use any hormones or anti-biotics, so I buy products from there. On Thursdays there is a Farmer's market in town. I forgot to say I also use Osteo-biflex (chondroitin, glucosamine, MSM, and Hyaluronic acid) product for joints (maybe placebo, maybe not-waiting for Big Pharma to come out with something more powerful that can give me cancer, a stroke or kidney failure as a SIDE EFFECT, lol).

Try to eat fresh and clean. And when in doubt some supplementation is not going to hurt you, but do your research, don't believe in everything. But, also, screen out, the private interests and "regulators" who are looking to maximize their profits and take away some options for you!

motorhead43026

@cnh, consider using Turmeric, costs a tiny fraction of Osteo and works better. Whole Foods has organic bulk ground and you can buy any qty you want.

Works better for me anyway.

jeremymarcinko

I used pre workout drinks every day for about three years, but after a trip ER after trying a new improved formula, I will never touch the stuff again. They were not bad at first ,absolutely loved N.O. explode, but they kept making them stronger to be the lastest and greatest. Now it's just not safe, although they probably never were.

Haven't had one in a year and a half turns out I don't need that ****.

I supplement whey protein, casein, and creatine.
Lots of whey 5lbs in 14 days. I'm in great shape @ 195lbs with 31in wait and 17" biceps

Nightfall

Just a regular Centrum multivitamin, but only every other day.

I'm 5'4" and 125 pounds. I'm almost 32 and I look like a child. I get carded for 18 year old products. Even when I was in the Army, working out everyday like crazy, and eating tons of food I still weighed 125 pounds.

BlueFox

Food wise, I eat chicken/beef all week, stir fry vegetables, along with potatoes or rice for lunch, dinner, and late night snacks. Breakfast and before lunch snacks are apples and bananas. Drink during the week is 90% water, and 10% coffee. Drink during the weekend is, (mostly) reversed at 5% water, 5% coffee, and 90% beer. Exercise is 3-4 days a week at lunch consisting of treadmill and weights.

Weight is now at 170-175 pounds, with a 32" inch waist, on a 6'2" frame. At 66 I feel I am in better shape now than ever, but do take longer to recover from the weekend.

Of course, endurance training is certainly worthwhile and beneficial, but I think it is now time to say Friday night is over, and get some rest for Saturday night.

afterburnt

Viagra because it gives my hair body and sheen?

cnh

BlueFox wrote: »

Food wise, I eat chicken/beef all week, stir fry vegetables, along with potatoes or rice for lunch, dinner, and late night snacks. Breakfast and before lunch snacks are apples and bananas. Drink during the week is 90% water, and 10% coffee. Drink during the weekend is, (mostly) reversed at 5% water, 5% coffee, and 90% beer. Exercise is 3-4 days a week at lunch consisting of treadmill and weights.

Weight is now at 170-175 pounds, with a 32" inch waist, on a 6'2" frame. At 66 I feel I am in better shape now than ever, but do take longer to recover from the weekend.

Of course, endurance training is certainly worthwhile and beneficial, but I think it is now time to say Friday night is over, and get some rest for Saturday night.

Wow! That's great at your age! How can you POSSIBLY stay so lean when estrogen levels vs. Testosterone are skewed in the direction of NOT being able to maintain LEAN mass at your age? I'm several years younger, don't really eat more than 2200-2300 calories a day and I can't get below 191-2 (probably a little heavier at the moment) with all the movement above at about an inch shorter than you? Are you one of those guys who has been LEAN his entire life, unable to gain those 25 to 35 pounds most of us have and lost and gained and lost over the last two decades? I envy those HIGH metabolic boys and girls! Frankly, you're a little too lean IMO. lol (Then again I was 172 in H.S. with a 29 1/2 inch waist, too thin for my frame!)

What's your secret? Half-marathons everyday, because it takes a LOT to lose that kind of weight at this age. A LOT, an extraordinary amount of calorie expenditure, more than most 66 year old bodies can take? I burn 500 calories a day and that IS NOT ENOUGH. And if I raise my level of exercise much more my body will not have enough time to recover and will just break down. I'm gonna have to call "genetics" on this. Naturally thin, hard gainer.

steveinaz

I drink lots of beer, drink coffee like nobodys business, smoke cigarettes, don't take vitamins, eat lots of BBQ, shoot guns, and ride motorcycles and quads. My BP 120/60, I'm soon to be 54 and on NO medication, I do need reader glasses. I have no chronic conditions. I'm 5'11" 170lbs. I don't drink soda, I prefer sweet tea, orange juice or milk.

I have cut my smoking down recently, to about 3/4 pack a day (from 2 PACKS a day), and feel much better for it.

voltz

Steve, Steve please tell me it is not so? no way

You really don't drink sweet tea? do ya

Nightfall

Who doesn't like southern sweet tea?

steveinaz

Hell yeah I drink sweet tea, but I don't like it super-sweet. Love the stuff. Soda just does nothing for me. Love hot chocolate too, as long as it has the petite marshmallows....LOL

If anyone can tell me what movie that came from, you'll win a 2016 Humvee.
HINT: One of the best darn cop movies, ever.

BlueFox

cnh wrote: »

BlueFox wrote: »

Food wise, I eat chicken/beef all week, stir fry vegetables, along with potatoes or rice for lunch, dinner, and late night snacks. Breakfast and before lunch snacks are apples and bananas. Drink during the week is 90% water, and 10% coffee. Drink during the weekend is, (mostly) reversed at 5% water, 5% coffee, and 90% beer. Exercise is 3-4 days a week at lunch consisting of treadmill and weights.

Weight is now at 170-175 pounds, with a 32" inch waist, on a 6'2" frame. At 66 I feel I am in better shape now than ever, but do take longer to recover from the weekend.

Of course, endurance training is certainly worthwhile and beneficial, but I think it is now time to say Friday night is over, and get some rest for Saturday night.

Wow! That's great at your age! How can you POSSIBLY stay so lean when estrogen levels vs. Testosterone are skewed in the direction of NOT being able to maintain LEAN mass at your age?

I don't know. A while back I adopted a "Let my body decide." philosophy.

voltz

I spent some time in Arkansas at my grandparents house where they only had unsweetened tea so I can't handle sweet tea anymore.

In the last 20 years I've bought like 2 six packs of pop and it wasn't for me

lightman1

I'm with Steve. Not the routine you guys have. But I still smoke about 1/2 pack, eat terrible things from a convenience store. Take centrum silver. And do about 100 sit-ups a day. BP is, and I'm not kidding, 106/58. Nurse thought I was dead. 6'4" 195-200 lbs
And southern sweet tea is the nectar of the gods voltz. You have been warned.

afterburnt

Drink during the week is 90% beer, and 10% whiskey. Drink during the weekend is, (mostly) reversed at 5% beer, 5% PCP, and 90% whisky.

lightman1

Damn burner! You might be not such a sissy pants after all

Nightfall

PCP? Really? You drink whiskey and take PCP on the weekends. I like how you just act like that's no big deal. Oh yeah, weekends are 5% PCP.

tonyb

cnh wrote: »

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Wow! That's great at your age! How can you POSSIBLY stay so lean when estrogen levels vs. Testosterone are skewed in the direction of NOT being able to maintain LEAN mass at your age?

LOL, genetics does have a good chunk to do with it. I can eat a whole cheesecake and wake up the next morning 2lbs lighter.

For men though in general, your spot on with the estrogen vs. Testosterone being skewed. Which is why I don't drink things laden with estrogen like water and anything in plastics. Combine that with some good gut bacteria and your off to a good start. Lots of different foods are good for your testosterone levels too, google it. Some take a testosterone supplement but who the heck knows whats in those.

Steve,

Seems like you and I share some bodily genetics, lol. Trust me on this though, your blood pressure is low because your active, once you start slowing down it will creep up. That's the crux of the problem for most older folks who retire, slow down, stop doing what they have been doing all their life. So they go on medications, then another to offset the side effects, then another to offset the second side effects and before you know it your on 4 or 5 medications and your body is fubar.

You know the old saying, "Once you stop moving, you die." Lots of truth to that.

Might also add to start weaning yourself off of preservatives and chemicals you have no idea what they are by reading a label. One, they aren't good for testosterone levels. Two, they kill the good bacteria in your gut. Thirdly, your body doesn't recognize anything other than organic material so it doesn't know what to do with these preservatives/chemicals and turns them into fat. Not a problem when your younger because your a fat burning machine, but older folks who don't change the habits of their youth gain the weight.

Something to think about. It's a heck of a lot easier to make small changes while your thin, rather than waiting until your 50 lbs. overweight to make changes. Especially for middle aged men who are on the cusp of getting older and slowing down.

lightman1

47 and still climbing poles, jumping in and out of the bucket. I have cut back on a few bad habits. I have noticed a big difference in the way I feel. Tony is a wuss. Constantine is a blowhard psuedo intellectual. And cables don't matter.
Take your vitamins and be wary of voodoo supplements.

mantis

cnh wrote: »

No pre-workouts here. Never use them. Also, I have to have you by at least 10-15 years, Dan. I'm OLDER! Much older.

I'm in the gym twice a week for about 1.5-2 hours-full body workout. And on a treadmill, slight incline, or recumbent bike an hour a day 4-5 times a week. Protein bar or shake after each of these activities-at least 30 grams of protein a shot. Usually throw some fruit and yogurt in there as well.

I also, regularly ENRICH the local sewers with my Vit. and Min. Supplements. Use Puritan Pride products. Mega-Vits-Minerals for Men (iron free formula), fish oil, D3, Resveratrol, Vit C, Garlic pills, Calcium, Saw Palmetto, tumeric, etc. Yeah, yeah...I hear the FDA and Big Pharma coughing, laughing, and getting pissed because they'd love to "regulate" all of this. And the AMA keeps telling people that you can get all of this eating a balanced diet of nutrition depleted American foods? lol Oh, I also have a couple of squares of 90 percent cocoa chocolate in the morning, a cup and a half of coffee. Then tea the rest of the day. I keep my REFINED sugars to a MINIMUM, almost zero-but that's hard to do. A lot of my diet would fall under what many fitness dudes refer to as BRO-FOODS.

I do try to eat smaller meals, four or five a day. Dinner is usually a little more normal. Fiber and protein are regulated throughout those meals. I shoot for 115-130 grams of protein a day. A little high, but nothing like what most crazies who body build or power-lift take in! You don't need super high protein to maintain what you have (IMO you need at least 90-100 grams of protein a day to maintain whatever muscle mass you have if you are close to 200 lbs), and when you're my age, you are NOT going to make much in the way of GAINS! And if you do, I PITY your joints!

The only thing I use is protein powder. Creatine is NOT a good thing for an older guy's KIDNEYS! You youngsters are OK there. But I plan on using my kidneys for a few more decades?

And, remember, as you age those Test. levels are in free fall! So just holding on to what you have is a REAL struggle, and the joints like heavy weight LESS and LESS. Tendons are not as elastic, ligaments tighten up, arthritis begins to rear its UGLY head and MDs tell you you should lift kiddie weights, or do water aerobics! lol Not doing that, yet.

Move it or LOSE it! At this point my model is Jack LaLanne. What that guy could do in his 70s and 80s was nothing short of phenomenal! And I'm nowhere near that yet. So for you guys in your 50s and 60s, if you can't do 50+ pushups, 10-12 full body pull ups, 150 or more crunches, grab a 50 lb dumbbell and do 50+ goblet squats, well, get off the couch and start working out! And if your waist is over 38-39" slow down on the beer and chicken wings! IMHO it should be 36" or less, or better yet under 34"-can't say I've been at 34 since I returned from a year in China. That's a tough one!

I'm 45 and you are?
I eat basically organic and local farm stuff. I shy away from Processed foods and don't go to Fast food places anymore except occasionally Chick Fil a or Taco Bell.

I think waist size your pretty on bud. Over a 38 inch it's time to get moving. Mine got out of hand to a 42 and now I'm a 40 trying to get down to a 36. I was a 34 in High School. If I can get down to a 38 I would be tickled but the end goal is a 36 which is where I was when I was training in Kung Fu.

Beer and over eating at each meal is what did me in. When I discovered craft beer, I was drinking almost every day 2 to 3 beers. On weekends I could drink 3 to 4 in one night. And the kind of beers I was drinking where very heavy.
I now drink Beer maybe once on the weekends 1 to 2 max and thats not every weekend. I can go a month without touching it.
I also love wine and will have 1 to 3 glasses on the weekend and thats it. I stay away during the week as like I said I gained a ton of weight doing so. I even started getting the Beer belly. Once I noticed that thing along with the scale jumping up I put the damn beer down and it made a huge difference.

deronb1

I dont take anything. Turned 50 in June. Run between 2-3 miles on treadmill 5 days a week. Use a Weider sliding workout machine and tension bands. Less stress on the old joints. Im 6 ft and stay between 180 and 185 with a 34" in waist.

As much beer as i drink, if i didnt run and work out, id be well over 200 lbs with a big belly.

MrBuhl

I'm 50 this year, I ride a bike about 40-50 miles a week, do some walking and hiking, nothing like I should though. Daily I'm just a multi vitamin, fish oil and vitamin D guy all of which were at Dr's suggestions. For workouts I just try to follow up with protein (through food mostly, or a bar if I don't have time) and electrolyte drink. I currently prefer Nuun for that.

At 45, the ole body started going to hell in a handbasket, so I decided I needed to get moving - it gets harder, not easier!

cnh

mantis wrote: »

cnh wrote: »

No pre-workouts here. Never use them. Also, I have to have you by at least 10-15 years, Dan. I'm OLDER! Much older.

I'm in the gym twice a week for about 1.5-2 hours-full body workout. And on a treadmill, slight incline, or recumbent bike an hour a day 4-5 times a week. Protein bar or shake after each of these activities-at least 30 grams of protein a shot. Usually throw some fruit and yogurt in there as well.

I also, regularly ENRICH the local sewers with my Vit. and Min. Supplements. Use Puritan Pride products. Mega-Vits-Minerals for Men (iron free formula), fish oil, D3, Resveratrol, Vit C, Garlic pills, Calcium, Saw Palmetto, tumeric, etc. Yeah, yeah...I hear the FDA and Big Pharma coughing, laughing, and getting pissed because they'd love to "regulate" all of this. And the AMA keeps telling people that you can get all of this eating a balanced diet of nutrition depleted American foods? lol Oh, I also have a couple of squares of 90 percent cocoa chocolate in the morning, a cup and a half of coffee. Then tea the rest of the day. I keep my REFINED sugars to a MINIMUM, almost zero-but that's hard to do. A lot of my diet would fall under what many fitness dudes refer to as BRO-FOODS.

I do try to eat smaller meals, four or five a day. Dinner is usually a little more normal. Fiber and protein are regulated throughout those meals. I shoot for 115-130 grams of protein a day. A little high, but nothing like what most crazies who body build or power-lift take in! You don't need super high protein to maintain what you have (IMO you need at least 90-100 grams of protein a day to maintain whatever muscle mass you have if you are close to 200 lbs), and when you're my age, you are NOT going to make much in the way of GAINS! And if you do, I PITY your joints!

The only thing I use is protein powder. Creatine is NOT a good thing for an older guy's KIDNEYS! You youngsters are OK there. But I plan on using my kidneys for a few more decades?

And, remember, as you age those Test. levels are in free fall! So just holding on to what you have is a REAL struggle, and the joints like heavy weight LESS and LESS. Tendons are not as elastic, ligaments tighten up, arthritis begins to rear its UGLY head and MDs tell you you should lift kiddie weights, or do water aerobics! lol Not doing that, yet.

Move it or LOSE it! At this point my model is Jack LaLanne. What that guy could do in his 70s and 80s was nothing short of phenomenal! And I'm nowhere near that yet. So for you guys in your 50s and 60s, if you can't do 50+ pushups, 10-12 full body pull ups, 150 or more crunches, grab a 50 lb dumbbell and do 50+ goblet squats, well, get off the couch and start working out! And if your waist is over 38-39" slow down on the beer and chicken wings! IMHO it should be 36" or less, or better yet under 34"-can't say I've been at 34 since I returned from a year in China. That's a tough one!

I'm 45 and you are?
I eat basically organic and local farm stuff. I shy away from Processed foods and don't go to Fast food places anymore except occasionally Chick Fil a or Taco Bell.

I think waist size your pretty on bud. Over a 38 inch it's time to get moving. Mine got out of hand to a 42 and now I'm a 40 trying to get down to a 36. I was a 34 in High School. If I can get down to a 38 I would be tickled but the end goal is a 36 which is where I was when I was training in Kung Fu.

Beer and over eating at each meal is what did me in. When I discovered craft beer, I was drinking almost every day 2 to 3 beers. On weekends I could drink 3 to 4 in one night. And the kind of beers I was drinking where very heavy.
I now drink Beer maybe once on the weekends 1 to 2 max and thats not every weekend. I can go a month without touching it.
I also love wine and will have 1 to 3 glasses on the weekend and thats it. I stay away during the week as like I said I gained a ton of weight doing so. I even started getting the Beer belly. Once I noticed that thing along with the scale jumping up I put the damn beer down and it made a huge difference.

Just as I thought. About fifteen years or so older. But I don't look it thanks to almost no sun (a life of books, papers, lectures-yeah, Russ is kinda right there) and genetics-the eternally youthful face-no wrinkles lots of good fat! Yeah, I'm even older than Herr Doktor Professor Hardy-whippersnapper! Kind of in that society of night-walkers like F1nut. Those ageless souls who thrive after the sun goes DOWN!

My father, who was still quite fit in his mid-eighties and didn't look a day over 68, was almost denied "retirement" when he went to register. They DEMANDED that he submit extra proof that he was 65. No one believed him, lol. He was doing push ups, pull ups, sit ups and dumbbell work till the end-an abdominal aneurysm took him out in less than an hour. A full life, an active life, with little pain and no slowing down. We should ALL be so lucky!

lightman1

Told ya he was a blowhard.
Once I cut back on sugars and sodas, I started to feel less out of sorts during the day. I like the protein bars and shakes. I've noticed that my knees and shoulders don't ache as much. I take about a two mile walk in the evenings as well. Helps me wind down instead of just going straight for the recliner.

ken brydson

lightman1 wrote: »

Told ya he was a blowhard.
Once I cut back on sugars and sodas, I started to feel less out of sorts during the day. I like the protein bars and shakes. I've noticed that my knees and shoulders don't ache as much. I take about a two mile walk in the evenings as well. Helps me wind down instead of just going straight for the recliner.

Did you quit smoking? That's still my demon.

lightman1

Nope. Cut back a considerable amount. Tried the vape thing. Looking to completely stop soon.

afterburnt

Nightfall wrote: »

PCP? Really? You drink whiskey and take PCP on the weekends. I like how you just act like that's no big deal. Oh yeah, weekends are 5% PCP.

well you only need minuscule amounts of pcp to wake up in another county. It's not like beer where you have to drink at least 72 of them to kindda get lost.

afterburnt

afterburnt wrote: »

Nightfall wrote: »

PCP? Really? You drink whiskey and take PCP on the weekends. I like how you just act like that's no big deal. Oh yeah, weekends are 5% PCP.

well you only need minuscule amounts of pcp to wake up in another county. It's not like beer where you have to drink at least 72 of them to kindda get lost.

Anyway Nightfall if you believe that I have some speakers that I wanna sell you lol.

Seriously I swear by "calcium, magnesium, and zinc" for warding off colds and such. I have not gotten a bug since I have been taking this and it has been a few years now.