Waiting on Win 10?

Jimbo18

I opted in, then opted back out again of the "free" upgrade. Sounds like it will be a good operating system, and I am currently using Win 8.1, so it will be a welcome one, but it seems like waiting is a good idea till everyone else works the bugs out first.

Anyone here upgrading on the 29th?

mhardy6647

well... we'll see...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/25/windows-10-automatic-update-problems/

mrbiron

I grabbed an SSD to throw into my aged (6 year old) laptop for this update to see if that'll help a smidgen. According to MS, my PC will work with this update...whatever that means.

I've been doing some reading but have yet to figure it out. You can download the update, which is a full OS install, and make a boot disk out of it yet i can't find how to do this. The plan is to make one, swap drives, and reinstall. If it works....GREAT. If it doesn't then oh well.

Cross your fingers!

gudnoyez

Riding Windows 7 out until they don't support it anymore, 8 is horrid.

Jimbo18

gudnoyez wrote: »

Riding Windows 7 out until they don't support it anymore, 8 is horrid.

Win 8 boots very quickly, that's the only thing I like about it. I added one of the Start Menu programs and just use the desktop all the time, so it's not that bad. I have been using that since I got Win 8.1 and most of the time forget that it's not Win 7.

I will do the upgrade, just not right away. There's always issues with new OS and I figure I will let others find them first.

sucks2beme

Keep in mind not all windows 7 users can upgrade to 10.
The rules are a bit ziggy-zaggy. My Dell laptops are running enterprise
and aren't eligible.

jeremymarcinko

nbrowser wrote: »

I might throw it on one of my test machines, see how Win 10 works...but not on my primary rig...that still runs Windows 7 Pro and runs extremely well.

I agree my wife and I both purchased new laptops when windows 8 was being introduced. I opted out and kept Windows 7 while she received 8. So glad I did, my VAIO functions beautifully and she screams at her DELL daily. When she was completing her MBA she was borrowing my VAIO because she doesn't trust her's with anything important.

WilliamM2

Jimbo18 wrote: »

gudnoyez wrote: »

Riding Windows 7 out until they don't support it anymore, 8 is horrid.

Win 8 boots very quickly, that's the only thing I like about it. I added one of the Start Menu programs and just use the desktop all the time, so it's not that bad. I have been using that since I got Win 8.1 and most of the time forget that it's not Win 7.

8 boots faster because it doesn't really shut down.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/how-windows-8-hybrid-shutdown-fast-boot-feature-works/

Erik Tracy

sucks2beme wrote: »

Keep in mind not all windows 7 users can upgrade to 10.
The rules are a bit ziggy-zaggy. My Dell laptops are running enterprise
and aren't eligible.

By the time MS stops supporting Win7 with security patches, my Win7 laptop will be ready for the scrap heap anyway.

I am the poster child for what goes wrong with software. Knowing my luck if I did the Win10 upgrade, I'd end up with a bricked laptop.

Pass.

Jimbo18

I read a couple suggestions that if you are happy with Win7, just stick with it.

My desktop is starting to act up and I think it's because of some of the Win10 software that was pre-loaded on it. I originally agreed to the update, then decided to wait and about a week or so ago, I opted out of it. But I know there were quite a few updates loaded on it over the past several weeks.

Maybe I should try a system Restore to sometime before I agreed to Win10.

Polkie2009

Years ago I was told it's not a bad idea to reformat the hard drive and reload Windows XP or Vista or 7 or whatever windows version and antivirus etc.. you are running. I guess they were getting rid of all the crap that accumulates on the hd etc... over a year (s) that slows your computer down. Anybody still do this?

voltz

waiting on 10 is right! I wonder when my upgrade will ever happen

schwarcw

Keep using 7 for a while. A lot of bugs in 10 haven't been found yet. Nobody wants to be the first!

voltz

that is probably so true! 7 is what I am using right now. Good advise!

AsSiMiLaTeD

I made the switch on release day - my recommendation, a few notes and a some quick background are below:

If you already have a fully functional and flawless version of Windows now I'd wait on the Windows 10 upgrade as there are still some bugs to be worked out.

• If you're on the free upgrade program it's easy to force the update sooner instead of waiting in line, just grab the Microsoft Windows 10 Download tool and choose the Upgrade option. If you want to do a clean install, then read on...
• Once again, M$ has made the clean install process somewhat of a cluster****. If you get the free Windows upgrade but want to do a clean install (this is what I always do), you actually have to download and install the upgrade to attach the copy of Windows to your machine, THEN you need to do the full download and install again to do the clean install. This makes the whole process take twice as long and twice as many steps when all they need to do is allow me to enter my old Windows code during the clean install. This is a very non user-friendly way of doing things, not surprising coming from Microsoft.
• Once I finally got up and running though things went fairly smoothly. There are some bugs (like the one where I launched a pinned Steam game and the Windows start menu retains focus and prevents the game from launching in full screen mode), but overall the experience has been good for me. To be fair, I don't use many features of Windows or run many programs on that machine. My Windows box is a purpose built gaming machine and games are literally the only thing I do on that PC, I use my Macs for everything else and as my daily drivers. The first thing I did after installed was go in and disable a bunch of the features of Windows, so I'm probably not the best person to comment on how well it works. I know that it runs and runs my games very well.

I upgraded Windows because of some issues I was having with Windows 7. I have a couple games are aren't very great ports on PC and crash fairly regularly (GTA Online is the primary offender at the moment). Windows 7 doesn't have great memory management and has a really poor error handling system, so GTA would crash frequently and when it would crash would kill audio on the whole system forcing a reboot. The crashes aren't the fault of Windows, those are the fault of the bad QC at Rockstar Games, but Windows 7 wasn't really helping anything either.

Windows 10 has been much better so far. I've had the game crash only once in a couple days of use (on Windows 7 I would have seen a half dozen crashes by now). When the game did crash it didn't take Windows down with it, Windows 10 is much more graceful at handling errors and I was able to boot right back in to the game.

Overall I'm happy with the product, but the install process needs to be improved.

Jimbo18

I am glad I am still waiting on the install.

http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/08/04/windows-10-upgrade-bug-makes-some-pcs-unusable/

AsSiMiLaTeD

My install is still running fine, but I've got a friend with that exact issue, he's not super happy about it. He was already leaning towards getting a Mac as he thinks it'll do everything he needs, this has now pushed him over the edge and now one more has joined the dark side.

WilliamM2

I can't believe people perform full upgrades before creating an image. You should always have a full backup. Hard drives fail everyday, on PC's and Mac's.

westmassguy

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I can't believe people perform full upgrades before creating an image. You should always have a full backup. Hard drives fail everyday, on PC's and Mac's.

This^^^^^^^^^
Windows 7, 8, 8.1 all have built-in backup software. You can also use 3rd party software, some free, some not, to make a full image of your hard drive.
I use Acronis, but there are many others. If you don't want to do a full backup, at least keep an up to date copy of all your documents, photos, favorites/bookmarks on a separate external drive, thumb-drive, or burn them to DVD. There's no excuse for loosing data like that.

mhardy6647

Yes they do -- given the tiny track size, miniscule R/W head size and high rotational speed of modern drives (terabytes of data in a tiny package means really high density of bits on them there platters!), the MTBF of HDDsis pretty limited, I reckon. I suspect that the actuarial lifespan of a 1 TB 2.5 inch HDD is probably a year or so.

Wonder how the SSDs are doing in that regard? I like the idea of "no moving parts"

WilliamM2

mhardy6647 wrote: »

Yes they do -- given the tiny track size, miniscule R/W head size and high rotational speed of modern drives (terabytes of data in a tiny package means really high density of bits on them there platters!), the MTBF of HDDsis pretty limited, I reckon. I suspect that the actuarial lifespan of a 1 TB 2.5 inch HDD is probably a year or so.

Wonder how the SSDs are doing in that regard? I like the idea of "no moving parts"

SSD's fail too, so I don't trust any drive. I have actually had very few mechanical drives fail. I have a 1TB in my computer that is used just for Windows Media Center (OS is on SSD), which writes to the drive anytime TV is being used (about 10GB an hour). It's been in service since October 2006. I have two others that I bought at the same time, they both still work fine too. Although after 4 years or so I moved them to external backup duty.

MTBF is a lot longer than a year. But some do fail in under a week too, so backups are required, and I prefer to have at least two. Hard drives are cheap, making multple backups very affordable.

mhardy6647

I concur and that is what I do; just keep a couple of 1 TB portable drives as backups; so cheap nowadays.

Having put two kids through college in the not so distant past, I learned that the lifespan of a laptop computer (at least in the early 2000s) was -- about 3-1/2 years; i.e., just a bit shy of a full UG course of studies. Fortunately, both kids were good about making backups, too.

cnh

A Windows OS crashed, doesn't work with some hardware, apps, etc. That's "amazing"! lol Not touching 10 for a while. Have a system of 8.1 that hasn't screwed with me that much yet!

As far as longevity:

I have an institutional Dell that was issued to me in 2005 I run as a back up with some written files on it. For full disclosure, the display failed and they put my hard drive etc. into another Dell they had so I have a newer screen but it still boots up on the original Drives. Heck, I have a '98 Thinkpad that still works, but I only use it to recover old articles, notes, etc.

I believe my MacPlus will still fire up but the screen is ready to go. And that's '88 or so.

But, yeah, my daughter trashed the screen in her MacBook in a little over a year.

Currently using a Lenovo that'll be three years old in December. I've never had a Hard drive failure-knock on wood! But I do have a back up drive just in case.

mhardy6647

Lots of old 'putes here in working order. I got rid of my AT&T PC6300 some years back -- but I still have one Tandy with a seldom-seen 80186 processor and MS-DOS (I forget which version) that runs fine.

Jimbo18

And, as Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. wrote : "And so it goes".

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/08/windows-10-forced-updates-causing-endless-crash-loop/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix

sucks2beme

I put it on 2 machines, and rolled one back.
The older laptop wireless card has issues with 10.
I also had some issues with the replacement for IE.
That machine stays on 7.
The wife's machine does just fine on 10.

woodhead 2

I installed it. Was okay, until I shut the computer off and later on restarted it.Lost a lot of stuff, so I went back to 8.

afterburnt

I rebo oted and it installed even though i scheduled it for the 11th. Big brother. I thought chrome was bad

afterburnt

I give it a week till we are all turned into batteries. Hey where did I get this duracell tatoo?

mrbiron

Still haven't gotten the call yet.....

afterburnt

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/windows-new-terms-of-use-for-data-collection-remove-all-pretense-of-personal-information