This is wonderful...Naners wont seat with bare wire jumpers. I cant go on lol
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What was the question?
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You keep throwing out the words "science" and "electrical engineering" and yet you keep referring to sites like Audioholics who have about as much credibility as a great white shark telling a baby seal that it just wants a hug.
So, I will reiterate, show me some credentials and not the fact that you are parroting what others say and I may take some of the stuff you say seriously, otherwise, stfu and move on you worthless troll.
You seem to avoid all of Raife's threads like the plague. Is it because he shows empirical data that refutes the claims of you and your Audioholics overlords? Is it because he actually tests everything he adds to his system and you don't want to be proven wrong that everything really does make a difference, including the cables you are so terrified of trying yourself? Is it because he posts screenshots of scope graphs that back up is claims? Are you really that scared of being outed as nothing more than a parrot?
You mock others for drinking the marketing Kool-Aid yet brag about the McIntosh gear you own. McIntosh is not the best thing since sliced bread. There are MANY brands out there that produce better products and at substantially better pricing.
Oh, sure...they look cool in a "We are still stuck in the 70s" sort of way. But they sure as heck ain't all that.
Until you jump off the naysayer bandwagon and start actually thinking for yourself, nobody will ever take you seriously, just like I refuse to take anyone seriously who claims one brand or the other is the best there it.
I will reiterate a comment I have made before...If the naysayers are SO right, why is it that you hear of far more naysayers becoming cable believers than the other way around?"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
I do appreciate everyone's input but you guys should not load up the thread bickering back and forth. I doubt that anyone wants to plow through all of that to see if there is any useful information in it. I know that I don't.
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let me see if I got this right: using jumpers may make my head explode?
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Let's simplify it for you afterburnt, it is *your* time and *your* money. You should spend both of those things on whatever sounds best to *your* ears and eff what anyone else says.
Don't let anyone tell you how to spend yours."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Z damned straight! Do you think I should check the resistance before I change them?
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Getting down on the floor is hard. I was wondering if there was something that I could check before I start crawling all over the house to figure out if I should bother installing all of these jumpers that I already made up.
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afterburnt wrote: »
nope it would not most use spades though.
http://www.parts-express.com/gold-spade-lug-crimp-terminal-10-awg-8-2-pair--095-671
pitdogg2 do you know what the core metal of those are?
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Ok rare moment but I'm gonna completely agree with F1nut on all points.
I will go on to say this, there is no point in arguing any points about wiring. If you don't try this yourself and learn in your own system, you have no opinion. We all can go out and read all the things written about why wire matters and why it doesn't.
F1nut has over many years tried this stuff out in his systems and he speaks from experience. I respect that so much more then anyone who just reads things online and goes with that. I do however understand why one would, who the hell has time to sit and test all these things? Ok maybe I did and umm do but I'm a mental patient when it comes to all this crap.
I also understand and learned that many of these so called wire companies sell pure snake oil. Thats as true as the day is long. Many brands out their don't even make their own cables, they just buy it from someone else, maybe terminate some of it and resell it. Doesn't mean they are bad products but you have to be careful as you can spend a ton of money and get little in results.Dan
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Folks, this hobby is about experimentation, try this, try that, fiddle with the other thing. There are so many variables to audio that it's impossible to document everything, just go and experiment! Sometimes it'll go south, sometimes it'll go well but until one takes the chance they will never know. )
You have learned much Grasshopper. Since joining the club, you've kept an open mind, asked questions, Experimented here and there, and I'll bet your musical enjoyment has tripled to say the least. On top of it all, you didn't need to spend 5k on cables or even thousands on pre amps, you've kept everything in budget of what your wallet allows making good well informed choices.
That, in a nutshell, is all we ask of people.
If your happy with your musical enjoyment, cool....stop and close your wallet, crack open a few brews and rock out with your you know what out. If you however want to advance to higher levels, maybe stay abreast of the new stuff, whats a good buy and whats not, we have tons of knowledgeable folks around here in every aspect of audio to help you on your path.HT SYSTEM-
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Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
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Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
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Grant Fidelity tube dac
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I think as human beings, we tend to go towards what we want to believe.
If you believe that, then certainly that would apply to you too, right? If you want to believe cables don't matter, then they don't, right ?
Frankly, nobody really cares if you believe they do, or don't matter. It's when those with no experience try telling others looking for advice they don't matter because they read it on the internet is where the confrontation starts.
Audio is a personal subjective matter tailored to each individual. Much like most consumer products, you get varying degrees of subjective reviews/statements. Why xyz car is better, these shoes are more comfortable than the Walmart brand, this or that appliance is a piece of c r a p.
Cables are no different, marketing sells products and that's the name of the game. Nobody sells a product to swap dollars. Trick is reading between the lines, in any consumer product, and getting a handle on the truth minus the marketing hype.
That's where honest reviews from people with EXPERIENCE with any said product come into play. Not all reviews may be honest, some may even be paid to leave a favorable review, that's why we have forums and normal folks who use said products in real world conditions. After a while, you get to learn the people who's ears you can trust, maybe they have the same preferences as you, similar rooms, similar associated gear, etc.
Those are the people to seek out on audio forums for guidance, opinions. They are not married to, nor have a vested interest in any name brand to push on you or sell to you.
Since audio, like many other subjective things, is personal.....it takes some experimenting to get to know what floats your boat and what doesn't. Much like you have to try on 10 pairs of shoes to find what fits well and is comfortable within your price range. Then you may find those shoes and be completely happy for years.....until one day someone says, "Hey man, try these Rockfords". Then you do and are blown away......or they may suck and you stick with your brand.
Thing is, you wouldn't have discovered a new brand of shoes unless you actually tried them on. Closed minds discover zip, good or bad. Audio is no different than finding a good pair of shoes within your own budget.....and cables too for that matter.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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Where can I get some economical real deal crimp type gold plated copper spades? The ones that I have are supposed to be copper but I am pretty sure they are some alloy.
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And, If another poster with equal or more experience had an opposing view, you would also trust and respect their opinion as much?
Here is where reputation comes into play.
I know Jesse (at least as well as someone on the internet can know another person anyway). He has offered me his phone number, personal email and his posts (outside of the ones that people with thin skin get all ruffled about) speak for themselves. He has put in the time to make him, at least to me, a valuable and respected member of the community. I trust that he says what he does and does what he says.
Raife, pretty much the same thing but even more technical. I trust what he says because he posts up his own experiences, his own data and his own work instead of using someone else's diatribe as the basis for their argument (not saying you in particular...others who tend to use questionable sources).
And then we have you, the devil's advocate if you will.
You have years of membership here but only a comparative handful of posts and a lot of those are disagreeing with folks out of hand. But without providing your own experiences and work to back up the claims.
To me, at least, it looks like guys like Jesse and Raife want to put in the work and improve the community through sharing of knowledge and "putting in the work".
Others simply want to make grandiose claims and counterpoints without providing viable proof that they actually did the work.
That puts friend X a lot closer to reality in my book than friend Y in your analogy.
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
afterburnt wrote: »Where can I get some economical real deal crimp type gold plated copper spades? The ones that I have are supposed to be copper but I am pretty sure they are some alloy.
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I usually don't get mad about thread jacking and I am not going to start now %^(
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I am waiting for someone to tell me to "but out" lol
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afterburnt wrote: »Where can I get some economical real deal crimp type gold plated copper spades? The ones that I have are supposed to be copper but I am pretty sure they are some alloy.
Do you feel the connectors you have are too easy to crimp? Normal non alloy copper is actually kind of soft and crimps real easy. As far as where to get some nice connectors, Douglas Connection. I'm sure he'll set you up with something good for not a lotta dough.
I cut the tip off of one and it looks like it is the same material all the way through. My eyes are not great but the inside looks the same as the outside.
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afterburnt wrote: »I am waiting for someone to tell me to "but out" lol
Serious question. Is your bad spelling intentional? I mean I see a cartoon character as an avatar, figured it was your 'thing"?
This was uncalled for. Don't be a jerk
Because I am The Pumpkinking
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afterburnt wrote: »I am waiting for someone to tell me to "but out" lol
Serious question. Is your bad spelling intentional? I mean I see a cartoon character as an avatar, figured it was your 'thing"?
If you must know in this particular case it is intentional, the bb will not let you spell "but" correctly so I went back and changed it from "**** out" for the sake of clarity, if that is what you mean. In other cases it may be intentional or that I just didn't notice it. Do you think I will be taken more seriously if I change my avatar to lets say a baby with a beard? Thanks for your interest. Anyway do you know where to get some good spades cheap?
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No plating that I can see but I only have the magnification of my readers.
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pumpkinman wrote: »afterburnt wrote: »I am waiting for someone to tell me to "but out" lol
Serious question. Is your bad spelling intentional? I mean I see a cartoon character as an avatar, figured it was your 'thing"?
This was uncalled for. Don't be a jerk
No, was not being a jerk. It was a serious question. I figured his device was doing it maybe, thought it was funny was all.
Then I apologize
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ab, do us a favour, take some photos and post up. Sometimes we need visuals
I only cut the tip off of one of the prongs. Macro won't let me get close enough to see it.
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comfortablycurt wrote: »The easy solution here is to not use bare wire. Using terminations definitely does not defeat the purpose. This is why nearly every decent speaker cable on the market has terminations. There are very sound reasons behind terminating a cable.
I always use spades on my jumpers, and bananas on my speaker cables.
Honestly though, you're doing this with Monitor series speakers, some of which are used as presence speakers and surround speakers. The odds of you actually noticing any difference in your presence speakers after replacing the jumpers is very small. I think the merits of replacing jumpers pretty much end with 2 channel. Personally I'd just leave the jumper plates in place, but that's me.
FWIW the presence speakers are either or. I can't run them with the rears simultaneously on this AVR. I use them when I am in my throne, otherwise I use the rears for HT so they are getting some juice when I am doing "in your face" listening.
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Audioquest 1014 Spade Fits 1/4" Post Up To 10 awg 2 Pair $6.00
Do yooz think that these are made of copper I cant even find them on the Audioquest site? -
cool nb just what I was looking for
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I got all of my jumpers done and hooked up! Now I need another project.
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afterburnt wrote: »I got all of my jumpers done and hooked up! Now I need another project.
Did it really take a month just put in jumper cables?
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afterburnt wrote: »I got all of my jumpers done and hooked up! Now I need another project.
Did it really take a month just put in jumper cables?
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afterburnt wrote: »I got all of my jumpers done and hooked up! Now I need another project.
Did it really take a month just put in jumper cables?
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