This may be the end for me

tophatjohnny

Prayers go out to you and your situation. So sad to read this and hope all members are keeping you in their prayers!! I am and just shared it with my wife. She also sends prayers and agrees to get the local news involved!

boston1450

+1 during the holiday season it can be especially hard. Hope all is well Dude. Prayers go out to you'all

dudeinaroom

Thanks for the kind words.

halo71

Sorry you are in this situation. But have you not came on here at least a few times over the past few years with your **** in the fire like now? I am not sure if you just do not learn from your mistakes or what. But something lead up to this happening, more that you might not be telling us.

And furthermore, as already mentioned. Why air stuff like this on a public forum when an investigator might be reading it to use against you? And the mention of you killing yourself. Well that is just plain selfishness on your part. That would not help your family out on bit.

Seems to me like you are just wanting people to take pity on you. Again....

dudeinaroom

I'm so sorry for feeling the need to vent.

I love my kids, always have always will. I would not do anything that was in their best interest. And yes I did learn from the fire I had a few years ago, I learned not to buy a second hand dryer.

Here you go, I will tell you the part I left out.

I was pulled over last February for expired tabs. I went to court with the intention of challenging jurisdiction. I went up in front of the magistrate who could not answer my questions and told me to sit back down and the judge will arraign you in a little bit. Before the judge came into the court room he called the sheriffs department and told them that he had a problem person over here. Now mind you I was polite and treated the magistrate with honor. There were other people there for the same thing and one how and the wrong plate on their vehicle in addition to this. I did not enter a plea, and the judge cut me off while asking questions to tell me he was not going to discus the legalities of it with me. I filed an interlocutory appeal. After I filed the appeal I was followed on average twice a week. I would pull out of my driveway and with in a 1/4 mile of my house I would have an officer following me. When I went to the appeal the Judge was asking me questions and when I went for my notes I told me I could not use them. Since I did not no all of the legalities off the top of my head the appeal was denied. The following by the deputies continued until the day my kids were taken, then it stopped. The prosecutor who was bent on putting me in jail, after 7 months offered me a plea deal. They dropped the no insurance to a no proof of insurance. Which meant I was no longer facing a misdemeanor, or jail time of up to a year. It's funny how things changed all of a sudden after they took our babies.

The prosecutor's husband is a deputy. The senior prosecutor was partners with the judge that was on both of these cases b( I guess you could say all three as the CPS case had a civil and criminal parts to them. We were charged with 5 counts of physical neglect because of a cluttered/dirty house and another count because of my son running away. The judge terminated our right on the 4th December. The foster care worker said our kids were thriving in foster care. The definition of thriving is: one of my sons running away from the foster home, the other peeing in the closet because they have an alarm on their door, and neither of the older two getting more than a couple hours of sleep a night. As well as the younger of the two running out of class and hiding. This is the second foster home they were put in as the first one they were destroying the home. My oldest daughter who is a chatty Cathy will not talk to any one. My younger daughter who is 4 is back in diapers, and will throw soiled diapers at the foster mom. Our baby who we had using his words when some one did something he did not like is now clawing, slapping, pinching and kicking, and I have no idea where he picked it up.

As well on the the CPS worker said she nicely asked us to let her in the house. I'd hate to see her not being nice as she was yelling at my wife and threating to get an order to take the kids if we did not let her in. And that is why she got the order. There was no need to go in the house as we were all outside. She lied on the petition and said we would not let her see the kids, even though on her supplemental petition she said the were out side where she could see them. She also lied and said our youngest son was sleeping on a pallet on the floor. We had a mattress on the floor for him as the pack and play we were using was ripped and dangerous and was thrown out a day or to before. We had dishes piled up as one of the knobs on the facet had blown off, and I had just fixed it. We also had piles of clothes laying around as our washing machine had broke a week earlier and we had just got one from our neighbor who had one he was not using sitting on his porch. That and with my wife going back to work we were adjusting to her not being home all the time. Her going back to work about killed her with her M.S. She would come home sit down an literally pass out from exhaustion. While she was working I would have the kids outside the whole time because it is nearly impossible for me to keep an eye on them an clean at the same time, plus if the are out side they could not mess the house up more than what it was. CPS in this county is known by parents fro threatening to take kids if you don't let them do what they want. We are currently working with 5 other families to file a class action lawsuit against CPS.

Now if I am such a terrible parent why are my kids acting out like this when they did not do it at home. If I am so bad I need my kids taken away, why drop the criminal charges? I was bad enough to have my kids taken, but not face the penalty for the wrong I did?

We had reported to the office of children's ombudsmen what was going on and he made an inquire to the cps office. He told us that they may not respond back because this office usually ignores them. The CPS office asked if they could have to the day before the termination trial to get back with him as they had to run everything past their legal person. His determination was the the request for the termination was illegal. But of course because of the timing the it was too late. The gentleman from the ombudsman is also the same person who wrote the judges bench book for children's cases so he knows what he is talking about.

CPS and the judge have regular expatriate conversation and know how the cases are going to turn out, this was told to us by a cps worker. My lawyer was trying to have the criminal part wait until after the civil part was done. He asked for an adjournment, which the prosecutor also wanted, but he would not have it. He said that they are going to appeal when I terminate right, or I mean if I terminate rights, and this was over a month and a half before the trial. He had no problem with my wife's case being adjured. But it didn't matter either way like I said the charges were dropped by the prosecutor.

Our lawyer did set stuff up for appeal as they knew the judge was already planing on terminating rights. They filed motions to evidence dismissed as it was illegally obtained, another to have termination removed as there were no aggravated circumstances as required by Michigan law, as well as have struck the failure to thrive as it was not properly diagnosed and was also dis-proven. We are also in touch with civil rights attorneys who are eager to talk with us. Fieger law, a prominent law firm in Michigan has also told us to get a hold of them when we get the kids back. I don't know how long the appeals process is going to take, I just know it's going to be a long wait. My lawyer also told me we may have to take it to the supreme court as the appeals courts usually err on children's cases. If that is the case I will be with out my kids for at least a couple years.

So I am sorry Halo for needing a place to vent. Having 5 kids does not leave much time for friends, and most of my friends live a few hours away. At the time I posted the op every one I knew was to busy to talk and I need to let it out.

F1nut

What a mess. I hope you get your kids back and then move far away.

dudeinaroom

Thanks man. That is the plan. Thinking about Texas as I know I can most likely get a job down there working for my brother in-law.

Willow

Dude, keep your head up. Focus and don't give up! I'm sure it's not easy on anyone and won't be for awhile.

fossy

come on down ...

Dennis Gardner

Trouble seems to follow those that don't know how to prioritize their lives, and I wish you well in your cases and regardless of how much control you lost over your family, you chose to break laws by driving without proper docs. Those choices are the types of things that authorities key in on when deeper troubles are on the horizon for a family. The community evidently saw things that you were blind to and chose to intervene before it became worse and this is usually done to avoid an impending disaster, such as a neglectful death of a child. No one doubts your love for your kids, but adding another couple of kids to your earlier troubles most likely triggered the watchful eyes of your town. I personally don't want government in my life at all, but I do support government intervention and protection for the kids when the parents are in neglect. Your only hopes are that you can move on to put this behind you and create a future that looks brighter, but with the oil and gas in a freefall decline at the moment, your options in Texas will be drying up if they haven't already. I have 4 kids in the O & G industry in TX. and they are scared to death at the moment.

My advice is do any thing possible to reunite your family and never sign away rights. After getting your family back together, don't move to Texas if you intend on skirting around legalities within your life as they don't take very kindly to law breakers around these parts. Take this from a Dad of 3 boys that faced felony charges for Jackassing some golf carts on a drunken weekend 10 years or so ago. "Don't mess with Texas" is taken seriously and the system is extremely deep and far reaching for those on the wrong side of the law. Michigan may be corrupt, but Texas is way tougher on the criminals.

I hope you get your life in order, it sounds like the only thing in your control is your own well being, so find work wherever you land and never give up on your kids and hopefully this will all be looked upon as a lesson learned in being a productive, responsible part of society wherever you land.

tonyb

Good advice ^^^^

Though keep in mind this temporary relief in gas prices is going to be short lived.

jflail2

Dunno. I shipped him an Oppo dvd player free of charge a few years back, as he had run into hard times prior to this one. When I saw this post, I had a pretty good idea that I'd been snowed, and honestly doubt we'll ever hear from him again. I hope all is well and he's got his kids back and all that...