This may be the end for me

nooshinjohn

Go to Lafayette, Indiana. The Subaru plant there is hiring production associates. Full-time workers make 30 bucks an hour after 3 years. There are other production jobs in the area as well, and the winters are not so bad.

Moose68Bash

nooshinjohn's advice is good advice, and Lafayette, IN, is a great place to live -- if for no other reason than it is in Indiana!

"This may be the end for [you]," if and only if you CHOOSE to make it the end for you. It is your choice.

dudeinaroom

When they took the kids we had everything under control, it wasn't until a month and a half after that we lost our power, and just this week the gas got shut off. We have asked them what we need to do , but they will not tell us anything. With the court appointment every week, having to travel back and fourth to CPS multiple times a week and driving all over the place to find an attorney it broke us. The money I did have saved went to keeping gas in our suburban. We consolidate as many trips as we can, but that does not always work out when almost every day you have to run here or there to fill out paper work or have your day in court. Things have settled down some and we have a transportation person who takes us over to the next county to see our kids once a week. If we would not have had this hiccup we would have more than likely moved a month ago. We have applied to any agency/charity we can find. If we don't get help at the beginning of the week we will turn to the state. My lawyer had said nothing about us applying for help. We just know how this county operates and have seen other families torn apart because of doing the same thing in the county. I think my Lawyer at this point is not worried about the money. He is more than peeved at the way things are going. He has yet to get the discovery that he has requested, and the judge has eve told CPS to provide it, but did not order it. My lawyer has also sent motions in to quash evidence that was illegally obtained, Allegations that have no merit or have been disproved, and another to take termination off the table because there are no aggravated situations that merit it. The judge had denied this all. We were put in touch with our lawyer through a friend. This lawyer knows this judge needs to be off the bench. He has been in front of him before, and he follows what ever rules he feels like. My attorney, my wife's attorney and the guardian ad-litem spent over 20 minutes in judges chambers arguing with him about the rules. The judge finally came out and grabbed his bench book, and you could here him yelling at the lawyers. When they came back out the judge and made clarifications to the record as to what was to be excluded.

About a week later we had to go back to court for a pretrial conference on the criminal part. My wife's attorney got my wife's trial adjourned, while the courts sent my attorney a letter stating they were forcing mine to trial. My attorney and I went in front of the judge to get it adjourned as the prosecutor wanted to, but the judge would not have it. He said if we wait until everything upstairs is done and when I terminate rights, er, if I terminate rights i'd imagine they are going to appeal leaving this in limbo until that is done. In the Civil part we have not even made it through one witness out of the dozen or so and it seems like this judge already has his mind made up. The prosecutor, my wife's attorney, and my attorney are all pissed because this judge will not sit back and let things unfold they way they are supposed to, he has to tell everyone what to do including the prosecutor. The prosecutor was not originally aware that his junior partner had filed the charges and did not seem to happy about it. The judge in our case used to be the prosecutors junior partner and has a controlling relationship over him. The prosecutor cowers in front of this judge.

There are people who live in Flint or south of there who have vacations home in a county north of here, they will drive over an hour out of there way to get to their vacation homes to avoid this county. This county also used to have a booming Vacation population of it's own, now most of these houses sit vacant year round. The town I used to live in in this county was booming in the summer. There were 5 gas stations 9 restaurants, 6 bars, 4 grocery stores, 3 marinas and a few factories. Most of the factories are still there, but the workers are now from outside of the community, there are 2 gas stations 2 restaurants, no grocery stores 1 marina and 2 bars. This all started declining before the economy tanked. Most people left because they got tired of police making issues where none existed and because those who were related to those in power in the community could get away with anything. Even the current Sheriff has gotten away with a slap on the wrist for grand theft auto, and it was covered up during the election. There are many people starting to come together in the county and are filing complaints with the Judicial Tenure commission o the judges. There are complaints being filed with the FBI on the sheriffs department, but anything is slow to happen. There are many who want to leave the community, but because of the low average wages in the area people have trouble saving money to afford to move. The county seat has dropped in population by over 50% in the last 10 years, and the rest of the county has seen similar losses. Businesses that were thriving 8 years ago are closing their doors.

My plan for now is to find a job or 3 so I can save up some money and move after I get my family back. I will go where ever I can find a job when it comes time to move, I don't care where. I'd like to have around 10 acres to start a small farm to grow my own food and raise my own livestock to help support my family. I'd also like to find alternative ways to heat and light our home to offset those bills also, but I've got to be in a money making position first.

I have thought about making passive line stages, tube or ic phono preamps and the likes to make some money on the side, but I have to have money to even think about doing that. I would start with the passive devices first and work my way into the active devices. I have a friend who is awesome at wood working and he would be able to make any case I needed, and he wouldn't bend me over on the cost. I have a place to get any of the electronic components I need at a fair price. I have also been taught a few tricks by my mentor on how to keep noise down with minimal shielding.

Thanks polkies for listening, and for the suggestions. I will take everything into consideration and have already put stuff up for sale here and on Craigslist. I have already applied for help in the last two weeks, just not directly through the state. My wife is also going to be seeing about getting on disability for her MS. Around the house she can pace herself to where she can deal with it quite well, but this summer she decided to go back to work and it totally wiped her out. She would come home from work sit on the couch and would be so exhausted she would fall asleep with in minutes. That coupled with our washing machine going out a few weeks before CPS came out lead to plies of dirty clothes stacked up in the bathroom and hallway as we were washing clothes in the tub to try and keep up. People don't realize that when you have 7 people you go through 28 articles of clothing a day, not including cloth diapers or girl changing their outfits a few times a day. It piles up fast. Now these same 7 people living in a roughly 1000 sq.ft. house it does not take long for the house to look trashed just from the kids playing with toys or coloring and making paper airplanes. That and a slew of false allegations is why they are trying to terminate rights. Because they are trying to terminate rights is why we are getting no help, have been given no hoops to jump through and are not being informed of when the kids have appointments. Part of our bond condition is to not have contact with our kids with out written permission from CPS even though we have never caused them any harm nor have they ever been harmed because of conditions of the home.

shawn474

This simply sucks. In every way possible. I am sorry that this is going on; especially around the holidays. There is great advice in this thread and i suggest you take it to heart. I would also add that posting on the internet with disparaging remarks about the system that you need to appease in order to get your child back may not be the best idea.....i hope this situation gets resolved and your family is together again very soon.

vmaxer

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

You've been given great advice, dude.
I'd add that you keep in mind: What is, is.

As it stands, CPS has your kids. You don't.
That is what is.
Your kids are in foster homes, with heat, electric, and food.
That is what is.
CPS, whether they suck or not, won't return your kids until you can provide the same.
That is what is.

If you lose any time with thoughts of "Woulda-coulda-shoulda" on your part or CPS's part, then that is time wasted.
What IS, IS.

As has suggested, apply for every sort of assistance available that is available.
EVERY SOURCE. Period.
If your lawyer is suggesting that doing so may hurt your case, I'd be of the opinion that your lawyer isn't giving you the best advice, IMO.

As others have suggested, sell your gear, even at give-away prices. Period.
I would further suggest that you NOT mention to your lawyer any money you get from such sale. It would be my humble opinion that if your lawyer discovers that you have more money, suddenly your case will be "extended" at least until that money runs out.
If he questions, "Hey, where did you get the money to turn the electric/gas back on ?", you can "honestly" say "Some kind friends gave me some money to do so".
Which, being as other audiophiles who bought your gear can be considered friends, is true enough when it comes to dealing with lawyers.
You're on the front line, though, so only you can judge that situation.

As others have suggested, it does seem to be time to go where the jobs are.

In any event, keep plugging and chugging.
Your kids, while not with you, at least have gas, electric, and food. They'll make it through this period okay if YOU make it so. Calm and deliberate. An opportunity for you to display to them how one overcomes seemingly overwhelming situations,
Whatever hoops you have to jump through, do so, and smile afterwards and say, "My, what a nice hoop that was !".

Remember, what is, is. Concentrate on that, and you can devote your time and energy to making what is what you, and your family, want it to be,

I have to agree here. This is but one reason that I wish I was wealthy/rich... I would help out in a minute.

I currently help my mother, sister, and 2 grown children on a monthly basis. It doesn't leave me a lot to help others, sorry.

I hope things go great for you and you recover fully. My prayers are with you Dude!!!

Upstatemax

Sorry to hear about all of this.

But in your current position, it might be best for your children if they are not in your care...

If it was me, I would prefer that my kids are in a home with heat, electricity and food while I froze and struggled to get back on my feet.

I know this is coming from someone that is not in your position, but I tend to be hyper rational when I problem solve. Just trying to give you what would go through my head if I was in your spot. Not to mention, I lived something similar as a child. My mother left my drunk, abusive father with almost nothing to her name. She made the decision to send my brother and me to a family members home while she moved to take a job. We lived away from my mom for a year while she worked to make a home for us. It was tough on my mom and she beat herself up over it for years. But it made sure we were safe, warm and fed. It was the right choice.

I'm not going to rehash what you have seen here many times now. But you need to get your head on right and FIND A BETTER SITUATION!

It's going to be hard but you need to find a new job elsewhere and move NOW. Even if that means that you need to leave your kids behind for the time being.

Have open, honest and DOCUMENTED communication with CPS and courts of your plans. You need to eat some humble pie and drop the aggressive attitude with them as well. If they are overly aggressive and possibly corrupt, pushing back will not end well for you. There are times you need to shut your mouth, take your lumps and put this behind you to get your kids back. I would drop every ounce of pride to put my family back in place.

Once you get your kids back and you have moved, it's open season on them. But while they have your kids, I would have my tail between my legs friend.

Please tell me this idea of owning 10 acres of land and farming in just ranting. Focus on reality and find a stable job that you can develop yourself professionally in.

I honestly hope you figure this out and get your kids back once you're back on your feet.

Good luck bud.

Dennis Gardner

Sad situation for sure, and I can only pray that you can find enough peace throughout this process to come out on the other side of it with an understanding of where you went wrong so that you can provide for your family better in the future. It isn't CPS' fault that your neighbors (convenience store workers) decided to get involved. My guess is that they have been concerned about your kids/family for awhile.


My own personal take on your situation may sound harsh but 7 people in a family is at best a risky life to live ( I raised 5 kids myself) unless you are highly employed and able to protect your family from the down/lean times with proper savings and planning. Pride is not something that you can afford to possess when providing for your family, especially when you are the sole income provider. It may sound cruel and uncaring, but you have got to stop focusing on getting the kids back and start focusing on getting an income back. I would rather have my kids living in a warm and safe home, than freezing and starving with me. You can't undo what has happened to them and the faster you get on your feet, the faster you get them back. Your only job is to create a stable home........and pray that others respond to that. There is no future in blaming CPS........and I have no doubt that CPS in your state under the current economy is most likely one of the overworked and understaffed state programs. I also understand that the once the authorities have gotten involved, situations rarely improve at the speed you would like, and many times it gets worse before it gets resolved, and your own well being only gets more lost in the situation and clear thinking gets difficult.

My suggestion to you is.......with best intentions.....

If charges haven't been filed and you are free to leave the area, you should plan to go wherever you can to get work (bus ticket in hand) and have the wife (since she can't work) stay with friends and have her make your required visitations and tell your kids how proud she is that you are out there working on a better life for all of them.

Drop the dream of getting on an acreage/compound so that you can live the life you want without intervention, until your kids are grown. You simply can't afford it, in today's world unless it gets passed down to you. More people starve to death trying to live off the grid than thrive, just a simple drive through any Indian reservation will prove that.......

If you can't leave due to charges, ask for mercy on the court, take the lumps that are handed to you, and pick up the pieces once you are able.......fighting the system is futile and will only bring you down further.

Remember through all of this that no one on here ever said you didn't love your family or kids, but you did get caught in a tough economy not providing safety and security.........and in today's world those two things take money.

Go where the work is, if you are able.

Your family is in my prayers, I wish that I had a better answer for you......

decal

Max and Dennis both are giving sound and reasonable advice.

tonyb

decal wrote: »

Max and Dennis both are giving sound and reasonable advice.

Absolutely.....

Dude,
You keep harping on why no services or reunification processes are offered to you. Know why ?

Because there are NONE to offer someone with no gainful employment, no heat,gas, food, or shelter. Your basically homeless, and states don't make a habit of giving kids to homeless people. In essence, you have to now prove that you are worthy to have your kids back. Are you ? Just asking pal....because as harsh as that sounds, you need a dose of reality here. Farming....living off the land, cost money....something you are lacking severely at this moment, so put that notion off to fairytale land until you can support yourself and family by more conventional means.

Again, this isn't about CPS, corrupt governments, and so forth. This is about YOU, and your ability to make the correct decisions and support your family....in 2014, not
1862.

So swallow that pride, do what you need to do as head of your family, move...get a job, have the wife get a job, find a clean place to live...and then petition to get your kids back. You need to show the courts some stability for them to even consider. That's the process your seeking....so go do it.

steveinaz

pitdogg2 wrote: »

FREAKIN LOVELY first the democrats tell us "its alright its not your fault" and we should all just let them tell us how to raise our kids....BULL-HOCKEY...man some of the stuff I put my parents through. Dude I'm sorry to hear this BS and I'm just speechless right know. Time for a revolution here we really need to clean out all the do-gooders who have "our best interest at hand" cause where is that interest in that when you put the parents in prison so they can then take and put the kids into the hands of the state who has ruined more kids than STALIN...My nephew was taken away from his mother and we tried and tried to get him but the DCFS of Illinois lied at every turn tossed up more road blocks than on new years eve. The darn kid now has more troubles than ever before because the GD "Do-Gooders" who abused him repeatedly for 5yrs. But hey they were state sanctioned so that is OK....He tried to tell everybody but they always turned it around back to him and I'm sorry to say he is lost for life!!

Precisely. Biggest mistake this country ever made was inviting government into our livingrooms.

tonyb

Well looky what the cat dragged in....where ya been Stevey boy ? Get my room all set up in the garage yet ?

dudeinaroom

You know what, forget it. I'll let the state have my kids and I'll just hang myself from the rafters. CPS took my kids when we had everything we needed to provide for them. Every where we go people praise us on the behavior of our kids. Our power did not get shut off until over a month after they were out of the house. CPS does not know that I haven't worked in a little over a month, they don't know I have no gas or electricity. Yes I am happy they don't have to endure this with us right now. The only reason they took the kids is because my wife asked for a warrant to search the house. They lied on the petition and said we denied them access to the kids even though they were outside and rounded up for her to check over. There were no signs of abuse, no reason for them to be taken. There was a 2 year old girl who was missing for over 20 hours in the county just north of here, no one knows how long she was missing before it was reported, and CPS didn't even flinch in that county. My son is missing for 20 minutes and they take all my kids WTF. And the 10 acre thing would be something I would do if I could afford to, it's not like I could just go out claim land, build a house and magically have all the equipment I need to do so, I would also be working at the same time.

polrbehr

Have they offered any suggestions as to what they want to see/have happen in order to get the ball rolling to get your kids back? It just seems like asking for a warrant to see the inside of your house should not be grounds for removal of your children with no solution as to how you can get them back. It just seems like there is some missing info there, what did their report say they found in your house? Communist leaflets perhaps?
Man, I feel for you, I really do. I cannot imagine the level of utter frustration you must be feeling trying to deal with a seemingly omnipotent entity like CPS. I would say to be the proverbial squeaky wheel and call them (or have your lawyer do it) every other day to see if they can get anything going. Of course, making a pest out of yourself can always backfire, but I'd rather "go down fighting" rather than sit silently by while my children were living elsewhere... keep your chin up no matter what.

kevhed72

Couple of ideas, and the first one may make some folks on this site cringe, but contact the ACLU and see if they can provide you free legal assistance.
Secondly, contact your bank about refinancing or modifying the terms of your mortgage. It never hurts to ask and some banks would rather have something vs. owning another house they will lose money on. Lastly, go to FedEx.com and apply for an entry level position. The work is not easy but they provide health insurance and if you work your **** off there, you can work yourself up the latter with time. I would guess at least half of their current front line management started out at an entry level handler position. There is always something you can do to better your situation.
Oh, it also never ceases to amaze me how some folks on this forum will even take this type of post and spin it to fit their political agenda. Amazing....

AsSiMiLaTeD

I'm guessing that a mortgage isn't part of the picture here, so that's one thing he doesn't have to worry about.

mrbigbluelight

Dude, just realize that nobody's trying to bust your chops, that the suggestions being made are to help you get from Point A to Point B. Direct & to the point in true Polkie fashion.

Now, if I may,

[/quote] You know what, forget it. I'll let the state have my kids and I'll just hang myself from the rafters.[/quote]

First off, the state does have your kids. Would that drive me crazy ? You're darn right.
But, that IS what IS.

Second, it is understandable that you're unbelievably frustrated. But, and I'm not busting your chops here, the rafter solution is NOT an option. Your frustration doesn't matter.
Period.
You may honestly and correctly say that that was just said out of frustration and that you don't mean that. I would believe you.
But, that there are even 2 brain neurons that hold that thinking in storage can't be allowed to exist or to be accessed.
It is a waste of your time and, more importantly, your family's time.

Emotions trigger thoughts, thoughts form ideas, ideas cause actions.
So you must develop the skill to stop any negative actions (on ALL levels) at the origin: stop any negative emotions.
Period.
Start to get some feelings of frustration ? Of anger ? Of anything ?
Instantly stop them. INSTANTLY. Not one second. Not half a second. INSTANTLY.

You'll benefit from it. And, most importantly, your family will benefit.
Guaranteed.
I can only speak from personal experience on this, but it will make your life easier.

It's all good if YOU let it.,
Keep plugging and chugging. : ' )

madmax

It sounds to me like you need to find a job quickly, where ever that is, then you can work out the rest of it. Things can turn around before you know it!

cfrizz

CPS is doing now what they did over 53 years ago. Looking out for the welfare of children who are at the mercy of their parents, who may or may not be responsible.

I was a baby, and my biological mother was dying of cancer, I was put into foster care into a very loving home. My mother passed when I was a year old, and my biological father was told they would release me into his custody, just as soon as he could prove that he was gainfully employed and could provide a loving, secure environment for me. He never bothered to do so.

But I was raised by my foster family and they ARE my family, the two of us that are left that is.

You lost your kids because you and your wife put your egos and ranting and mistrust of the supposed evil govt. ahead of what was best for your children. There are somethings/establishments you just shouldn't mess with without considering the consequences. In this case the loss of your children.

They have them and you don't, and you won't get them back until you PROVE that you are truly able to provide for them. Right now they are being sheltered and fed and are safe. Even if the CPS hadn't stepped in, and you still had them they WOULDN'T safe if they were living in a cold, dark, house.

You killing yourself will NOT get your kids back, and just burden them and your wife with needless guilt over your death because they would be thinking that maybe they could have done something different. You'll be dead and free, while leaving your family to pick up the pieces. Just how is that going to solve anything?

Get over yourself and stuck in the good old days mindset, and do what is needed to put your family back together!

tonyb

kevhed72 wrote: »

Oh, it also never ceases to amaze me how some folks on this forum will even take this type of post and spin it to fit their political agenda. Amazing....

Seriously ?? I would gather the only person spinning to a political agenda is the OP himself. Doesn't matter if some here agree or not, it has zero to do with solving the problems at hand...absolutely zero.

The process of what needs to be done has been laid out, the only thing left is for the OP to get off the computer and go do it. Hopefully six months down the road he'll post up with some good news.

We may seem hard on you Dude, but it's only to light a fire under your arse to take care of stuff. Your not going to fight the system and win....with no money yet, so play by their rules so you can get your kids back. If that means you have to leave the state for work, so be it. You must inform CPS and the court also so they don't think you've abandoned them into state care.

Whats the goal ? Getting your kids back ? Then what ?

You know what you have to do to get them back, go do it instead of posting on an audio forum. Stop wasting time here and get-r-done. Focus like a laser beam.

gudnoyez

FARGO is the answer if the OP has the will, plus he can visit PFB once he gets established.

Upstatemax

I've been around long enough to know that you don't rack up thousands of dollars in debt that leads toward you getting ready to be evicted any day, and have all of your utilities shut off in about a month.

In most low-income areas it can be down right impossible to do all of those things with out a LONG history.

You have not been okay for a long time. Don't think it goes unnoticed at schools, friends homes and neighbors. One of the first things CPS does is start to interview anyone that has contact with your children.

CPS and the courts might be quick to move because they did not like what they heard. Not to mention you driving around without insurance, a criminal record does not shine a good light on your situation. Then you fight with a CPS agent like you have something to hide.

Honestly, stop pulling the victim card. Your actions play a large role in this situation.

Once you start being honest with yourself and with us, I'll happily give you all the advice I have. But I've beaten my head against a wall with too many people that don't want to listen and accept their role in how things played out.

Once again, good luck and I hope it all works out for you.

oldrocker

Subaru in Lafayette is hiring, got a nephew who works there and says they are looking for workers. He complains on being a welder, I could understand his unhappiness until he explained it is robotic welding and he mostly pushes a button to make the machine do most of the work

WilliamM2

I first remember reading a post about you being evicted in 2007, there have been 2 or three more since.

forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/55375/dhs-finacial-aid-workers-please-read#latest

You said you were looking to move eve then. Not to be harsh, but why have you had three more kids since then? Especially when one of you can't work?

Something needs to change.

Willow

Dude, I can only begin to understand loosing your kids. I have 2 under the age of 4. Couple of things, you talk of ending your life? And robbing a bank?Wtf? You are adding fuel to the fire. Smarten up. Stop posting on the Internet and find yourself a job. It doesn't matter if you guys don't agree with the state, laws are laws. You have two choices, accept them and work with them or possibly loose your kids forever. your wife could possibly find a job to do from home. Your job besides finding one is getting your utilities back and paying rent and getting your kids back. Nothing should stop you! I know I'd take a labour job even after having had 2 back surgeries if it meant getting my kids back. Someone out there is hiring!
sorry if this sounds harsh but nothing, I mean nothing would stop me.
All the best to you.

Hermitism

Wow, just saw this. I'm sorry for your troubles, especially during the holidays. I hope things work out and you don't have to change your name to dudeinatent. ~just trying to make you smile, even for a short moment! Stay positive!

madmax

Dude, go back and delete some of your stuff. If someone who knows you or researches you finds this stuff and takes it into court, you're done.

dudeinaroom

SO I guess my Attorney telling me what they are doing is illegal is wrong, the state's ombudsman who is telling us what they are doing is illegal is wrong and my father in law who is an ex-attorney who does not understand what the judge is doing is also wrong? My attorney is taking any and every case in this county so he can get in front of this judge to build a case against him, he is always recording everything. If they would be following the law I would not be Ranting. When they came out there was no reason to take the kids. There was no pre-investigation. The financial drain because of this situation is why i am with out power. I could have up and left when work dropped off and stayed with family in Texas until I found a job. Now I am stuck because I have on going court dates and I do not have my kids.

I wish I could share a forensic interview in another case that is going on in this county right now so you can see how messed up things are here.
In short a 6 year old girl is sexually abuse, the father finds out and reports it. The stepfather and bio mother are the abusers, are also facing meth production charges. CPS is charging the reporting father with failure to protect per the judges recommendation. The court and CPS are planning on reunification of the girl with abusing parents and the reporting parent may be facing termination of parental rights. I have first hand heard the little girls forensic interview, it is horrifying. She also tells of other kids that are brought to the offending parents house and have the same thing happening to them. This abuse is occurring by the step father, the mother and their friends, and multiple kids are involved according to the abused girls account. I'm sorry, but 6 year old girls do not make up this kind of story.

I have been looking for jobs anywhere I can, and when I'm not out pounding the street, I am putting applications and resumes out online. I am selling anything I can that I think will sell, I really don't have much in the way of assets. I'm not going to kill my self, that was just out of frustration, because few get what is going on here. I have actually stayed pretty positive about what is going on. My original rant on here was a health attempt at releasing steam and not letting it build. But instead it has turned to frustration. Not because of the insightful words, and suggestions of what to do, but because of the lack of understanding. When I have law professionals and the agency who investigate CPS telling what they are doing is illegal, how am I in they wrong when I know the same to be true? Is it because I am one of the people who know the government doesn't blindly believe they always follow the rules. This county is not used to people standing up for them selves, or even know what law is. They don't even take the time to research what current procedures are, or what current case decisions are or even grab a legal dictionary to decipher the meanings of the legalese. I'm sorry, but I like to be informed about things that affect my life and am not going to just blindly listen to some paid talking head.

jeremymarcinko

The details involving cases with minors are always kept confidential, and if someone is blabbing info about a case I would question the legitimacy of the story being told.

AsSiMiLaTeD

You've been given solid advice in this thread, not sure what is frustrating you even more?

You may be right about everything you said about your local government, and it doesn't make one damn bit of difference because ultimately you have to work within whatever system you have there. You gotta focus on what you can control, and your local government is very likely NOT on the list of things you can control.

I get that you're just venting and I hope that you're not taking the same approach in court that you are taking on here, because like max said above if they come across a thread like this that is likely not going to help your case.

If it were me I'd swallow my pride and grovel in front of the court if that's what I had to do. Again, maybe that's what you've done but that's not the message coming across here so take that for what it's worth.

dudeinaroom

Oh believe me, I am nothing like this in court. If you don't use honor and respect in a court you have already lost.