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AsSiMiLaTeD
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I'll admit I've followed Tiger Woods all these years and have been a fan, even thru the downward spiral and the really bad golf we've endured the last few years. That being said, the media coverage at this point is completely absurd. The guy isn't a factor at this stage, his performance has basically no bearing whatsoever on the tournament, yet half the coverage is about him. One could make the argument there was too much coverage when he was winning tournaments, but at least then he was a factor or at least relevant. Maybe he'll be relevant again some day and get in the mix and warrant some coverage, but the PGA needs to starting thinking about golf after Tiger and start focussing less on him, it's time to move on.
Rory is really looking good the last couple months. Hopefully he's managed to get past the slump from the last year or so and can keep it going for a while. The ratings have shown that golf needs a central figure (which is probably why so much time is spent talking about Tiger when he's not even a factor), hopefully Rory can step up and be that guy. Golf won't survive as a sport where somebody different wins every week, people need someone to root for (or against).
I see all these stats about more and more people getting into golf, but I think it's in a dangerous place right now if these guys can't figure out how to do a broadcast and keep people tuned in without the pronounced focus on the past and over coverage of a guy who has no bearing on the tournament.
Rory is really looking good the last couple months. Hopefully he's managed to get past the slump from the last year or so and can keep it going for a while. The ratings have shown that golf needs a central figure (which is probably why so much time is spent talking about Tiger when he's not even a factor), hopefully Rory can step up and be that guy. Golf won't survive as a sport where somebody different wins every week, people need someone to root for (or against).
I see all these stats about more and more people getting into golf, but I think it's in a dangerous place right now if these guys can't figure out how to do a broadcast and keep people tuned in without the pronounced focus on the past and over coverage of a guy who has no bearing on the tournament.
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Tiger will always be in the news, good or bad. A lot of people want to see him fail and that's why they still show him...failing.Anaheim Hills CA,
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The tournament he is in right now is at Valhalla in Louisville. They said on the local news last night that he rented a house for five days for $100,000 in Louisville. He had the entire inside of the house repainted and had is own furniture brought in for his five day stay. That reminds me of a story the news reported about a celebrity demanding someone remove a certain color M&M from the bowl in their hotel room. I find behavior like that appalling. A buddy of my Dad's told me a story about Tiger showing up at a golf course in the town he lived in, that he was not a member of, and said that he wanted to play a round with his three buddies and demanded that all the players be removed from the course and they cleared the course for him even though he wasn't a member and he showed up out of the blue. I know he's famous and wants his privacy, but to just show up at a course unannounced and demand such things shows me he is a true jacka**.
One more thing, if I had his money, I'd have more than a red shirt and black pants in my wardrobe! Maybe if he didn't spend 1/10th of a million dollars to rent a home for five days, he'd be able to afford more than one outfit. I think I saw him in a striped shirt once. I hate people that become rich and powerful and think they can do anything they want without repercussions. -
I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of what rich people do with their money. As long as their money is legally obtained, and especially in cases like Tiger where it's been earned, people can do whatever they want with it. He's paying for the house for the week isn't he, so why do you care what he does with the house and his money?
You ever eaten at a decent restaurant? I bet there are people in the world who think that spending $20 or more on a meal is appalling. What about staying in a 5 star resort where I'm paying extra for all the amenities and services that come along with that, how much am I authorized to spend for a week? Who is the final judge on what is and is not acceptable to do with your money? Is that you? Do you have a list somewhere that the rest of mankind can reference?
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The way I look at it is being wealthy doesn't mean you have to be a diva. Just because you have the money to buy a golf course for a day on a whim and have the players that have memberships there removed from the course that were already playing, doesn't make it right. To me there is a big difference between being rich and powerful and being a jacka**. I've eaten at a few high end restaurants, but I never demanded that all the other patrons leave.
No one knew if he was going to show up this week at Valhalla because of his "supposed" injury last week. He seems to have a lot of "injuries" when he hits three or four bad shots in a row and decides to pull out of the game. But I'm glad he came because he draws big crowds which makes it very good for our local economy. I think he was the greatest golfer that had ever played the game, but that doesn't mean I have to like him as a person. -
Like him or not.....when he was at the top of his game,there was no golfer out there that could touch him....that is a fact....
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He was either the most popular or the most hated, depending on who you asked.
The coverage today is simply because its Friday, he has an injury and Phil is playing well. If he had made the cut CBS coverage would have only covered him coming in on 18 on the weekend.
Early round coverage is tough to do when the leaders are long gone for the day and you are passing time for 6 hours of coverage.
On Tiger, I consider myself lucky to have been able to be a fan of his when he was on top of his game, no different than I feel about Michael Jordan, Jeff Gordon, Walter Payton, and a few others that changed the way the game was played. With that said, his injuries and his mental state currently make me believe that Jack's record is more than safe.HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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But now he's a nobody and still headlines the news when it comes to golf. Why is that?Anaheim Hills CA,
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On a personal note, I wish Tiger had never come on the stage, as I was accustomed to walking onto nearly any course and play without a tee time without worrying about a bunch of hacks thinking they could golf.HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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In a lot of ways I think of him as one of these famous child actors. Having a parent or parents that mold the child into an actor or athlete and not having a normal childhood. At some point they usually reach a mental breaking point and self destruct in their personal lives. I think Tiger's father dying was the turning point for him. His father would never have tolerated his off the course behavior.
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But now he's a nobody and still headlines the news when it comes to golf. Why is that?
Part of it is due to the USA having absolutely no body in the '90s worth anything in pro golf when sports TV took off. We adopted Greg Norman as our own as a second choice and challenged colleges to get it together to put out better recruits. They were playing for $300K in a win when Tiger came on the scene and he single handedly caused that to go up 3 fold in 5 years or so.HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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Like him or not.....when he was at the top of his game,there was no golfer out there that could touch him....that is a fact....
That is debatable. Does the name Jack Nicklaus mean anything to you? Jack had something that Tiger never had, and that was humility and class. I grew up in Ohio and went to Ohio State. I used to frequently run into Jack on the Ohio State University Scarlet and Grey golf courses early in the morning back in the early and mid 70s. He was always friendly and gracious to anybody that was around. At the time, Jack was in the process of building his signature golf course at Muirfield Village, just outside of Columbus. One time, one of my fraternity brothers at OSU was a caddy at Muirfield Village, and was playing a round on "caddy day" when he caught up with a golfer and his son on the 16th tee. It was Jack and one of his sons. Jack said they were going to run into dark soon, and he invited my friend to play the last three holes with him. Tiger would never have done that.McIntosh MA252 Integrated Amp, LUMIN D2 Network Music Player, Yamaha Aventage RX-A840 receiver, Emotiva XPA Gen3 2 channel amp, Polk LSiM 703 speakers. Oppo UDP-203 Blu-Ray player, Polk LSiM 705 speakers. Polk Signature S20 speakers. -
It sure does....Jack is a class act...so is Arnie....I'm not talking personalities here...just ability...two different generations...Each in their own time.....
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Nobody said you had to like him, but you're now changing your tune about what people can do with their money. Your original post criticized him for renting the house, which obviously doesn't put anybody else out and in fact the owners probably welcome the 100K for a week. You called that act, specifically, appalling and I disagree. Your other example of paying someone to remove blue M&Ms or whatever from a package is similar. While I personally wouldn't do that, I'm not going to criticize someone else for doing it, if I'm willing to hand someone a few hundred bucks to go thru a bowl of M&Ms and take out the blue ones I'm sure there are lots of people who would get in line for that job.The way I look at it is being wealthy doesn't mean you have to be a diva. Just because you have the money to buy a golf course for a day on a whim and have the players that have memberships there removed from the course that were already playing, doesn't make it right. To me there is a big difference between being rich and powerful and being a jacka**. I've eaten at a few high end restaurants, but I never demanded that all the other patrons leave.
No one knew if he was going to show up this week at Valhalla because of his "supposed" injury last week. He seems to have a lot of "injuries" when he hits three or four bad shots in a row and decides to pull out of the game. But I'm glad he came because he draws big crowds which makes it very good for our local economy. I think he was the greatest golfer that had ever played the game, but that doesn't mean I have to like him as a person.
As far as him being an **** I'm not going to sit here and pass judgement or start arguing about your anecdotal story about what supposedly happened one day on a golf course. Dude's made mistakes for sure, but he's also started schools and given tons of money to charities as well, you should keep that in mind as you're dressing him down for how he spends his money. Your comments about his 'supposed' injuries are absurd and ill-informed, it's clear from those comments and the red shirt comment that you don't actually watch golf, so those comments don't hold water. -
I guess this thread is right on. My ESPN app just notified me that Tiger missed the cut, with no mention at all about who leads the tourney.HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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Let me be clear as to my tune. I think anyone that rents a home for five days and has to have it repainted and has his own furniture brought in is diva like behavior that I find appalling. Does he have the right to do it? Yep. You really take offense to me not like him, don't you? Do you really think that I believe he only has one shirt and one pair of pants? Is it so hard to have a sense of humor? Do you have a Tiger poster on the ceiling above your bed? See, that's me being funny again. Why are you so frustrated that I don't like the guy even though I stated that I think he WAS the best golfer to ever play the game? I don't think he'll ever be the player he used to be with all the weight lifting and performance enhancing drugs he has taken. I think it's caused too much damage to his body. I think he's fully capable of winning tournaments, but not at the pace of his glory days. Just my opinion, no need to have a hissy fit
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I could care less whether you like the guy and in fact said as much in my post above, I think I've been pretty clear that it's your stance on what rich people can and can't do with their money that I take issue with. In fact if you look at what I've posted in response to your posts above, the vast majority isn't specific to him.Let me be clear as to my tune. I think anyone that rents a home for five days and has to have it repainted and has his own furniture brought in is diva like behavior that I find appalling. Does he have the right to do it? Yep. You really take offense to me not like him, don't you? Do you really think that I believe he only has one shirt and one pair of pants? Is it so hard to have a sense of humor? Do you have a Tiger poster on the ceiling above your bed? See, that's me being funny again. Why are you so frustrated that I don't like the guy even though I stated that I think he WAS the best golfer to ever play the game? I don't think he'll ever be the player he used to be with all the weight lifting and performance enhancing drugs he has taken. I think it's caused too much damage to his body. I think he's fully capable of winning tournaments, but not at the pace of his glory days. Just my opinion, no need to have a hissy fit -
Yep I got the same notification...ridiculousDennis Gardner wrote: »I guess this thread is right on. My ESPN app just notified me that Tiger missed the cut, with no mention at all about who leads the tourney. -
such things show me he is a true jacka**.AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »I could care less whether you like the guy and in fact said as much in my post above, I think I've been pretty clear that it's your stance on what rich people can and can't do with their money that I take issue with. In fact if you look at what I've posted in response to your posts above, the vast majority isn't specific to him.
I just realized why you took offense to my comment. You two share a common characteristic.
From your own profile. Admit it, that's funny! :cheesygrin: -
AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »I'll admit I've followed Tiger Woods all these years and have been a fan, even thru the downward spiral and the really bad golf we've endured the last few years.
Well, Tiger did have back surgery early this year. He probably should have called it a year right at that point, rather than trying to go out there and compete when he was nowhere close to 100%.
As far as really bad golf for him the last few years...he did win five or six tournaments last year. That's actually more than MOST professionals on the PGA tour win in their entire careers! However, he has not won a major in over five years, and I'm really getting the feeling that Jack's record of 18 major victories is pretty safe. Most broadcasters, five or six years ago, seemed to think that Tiger would have broken that record by now since he already had 14 at that time. -
A buddy of my Dad's told me a story about Tiger showing up at a golf course in the town he lived in, that he was not a member of, and said that he wanted to play a round with his three buddies and demanded that all the players be removed from the course and they cleared the course for him even though he wasn't a member and he showed up out of the blue. I know he's famous and wants his privacy, but to just show up at a course unannounced and demand such things shows me he is a true jacka**.
Now, this I gotta call BS on!! If it really had happened, don't you think it would have made all the news outlets? They would have had interviews playing nonstop on all the sports channels with everyone who was thrown off their course to make room for Tiger and his buddies. I have yet to see one such interview. -
One more thing, if I had his money, I'd have more than a red shirt and black pants in my wardrobe! Maybe if he didn't spend 1/10th of a million dollars to rent a home for five days, he'd be able to afford more than one outfit. I think I saw him in a striped shirt once. I hate people that become rich and powerful and think they can do anything they want without repercussions.
You really don't watch too much golf do you, Herm? He NEVER wears the red shirt and black pants on any of the first three days of any tournament. I'm pretty sure he also only wears them on the final day IF he's actually in the hunt. He and his dad always said that was a sign of the blood he was going for when he was after the kill. -
It's golf on TV. Nap time. They used to broadcast bowling, another naptime favorite. My opinion only. Enjoy the show !!!
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I think he was the greatest golfer that had ever played the game, but that doesn't mean I have to like him as a person.
I agree with you there, especially since today's golfers are on a whole different level as far as athletic ability is concerned and I believe the overall skill level is therefor much higher. In the past, many pro golfers said they kept on top of their game basically by playing several rounds per week while working specifically on some trouble areas at the range, etc. LOTS of today's golfers are physically fit to the extreme. They have strength coaches, swing coaches, sports psychologists, etc., etc. - except, pretty much Bubba Watson (NEVER a lesson, NO coaches, NO trainers, etc.), my new favorite PGA player. They have equipment that is tailored to their swing and designed specifically for them. Many of yesterday's players used off-the-shelf equipment like anyone else taking up the game.
Fact is, Michelle Wie hits the ball about as far as Jack did in his prime. And...all the extreme makeover changes done at Augusta National several years ago were said to be done "to Tiger proof the course" - basically to make it more of a challenge for the more skilled pro of today.
No...you don't have to like Tiger as a person. And I agree, he really can be pretty full of himself; a real arrogant SOB with nowhere near the class of Jack, Arnie, Greg Norman, Gary Player, Lee Trevino, Davis Love III, Phil Mickelson, Billy Casper, Payne Stewart, etc., etc., etc. -
Dennis Gardner wrote: »I guess this thread is right on. My ESPN app just notified me that Tiger missed the cut, with no mention at all about who leads the tourney.
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At some point they usually reach a mental breaking point and self destruct in their personal lives. I think Tiger's father dying was the turning point for him. His father would never have tolerated his off the course behavior.
Actually, as I've heard it, Tiger's father is the one who Tiger modeled a lot of his off the course behavior after. -
Bottom line...NOBODY out there (on the PGA tour) was, is or probably ever will be, as nice, classy, cool or a true gentleman as Arnold Palmer!!
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teekay0007 wrote: »You really don't watch too much golf do you, Herm? He NEVER wears the red shirt and black pants on any of the first three days of any tournament. I'm pretty sure he also only wears them on the final day IF he's actually in the hunt. He and his dad always said that was a sign of the blood he was going for when he was after the kill.
That would make sense, I have dinner with my "parental units" on Sundays and my Dad is always watching golf. So is it the same red shirt and black pants or does he have multiple red shirts? Kidding. -
Can't stand watching Golf, about as exciting as watching Curling. Do like playing it though.
Tiger....can't take away from the guy his talent, but being a **** bag is also a label he's trying to shake but doesn't do himself any favors by demanding people leave a Golf course. If I'm a dues paying member, I won't leave, not at least without a refund of my dues.
It's not wealth most get upset about, it's how they use it to bully people, bend the laws, think they are somehow better than everyone else because their wallet is fatter.
So what if Tiger rents a house for a tidy sum. He's free to spend it anyway he see's fit. Plus he actually created jobs, the painters for the inside of the house, movers to move his stuff in and out and probably half a dozen others who kiss his wallet.HT SYSTEM-
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That golf course story wasn't recent. It was told to me about 15 years ago. It made news in the town's local paper. I may still have a scan of the article that he sent me, but I can't imagine the time it would take to find it.
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