Polk products for Dolby ATMOS

ahmed
ahmed Posts: 23
edited August 2014 in Speakers
Dolby ATMOS is due later this year. I am planning to add 4 ceiling speakers to my system. I currently have a 7.1 Polk RTI system 2xA9, 4xA5, 1xA6. I already bought the 90RT to go in the ceiling but I recently discovered there is a surround in-ceiling speaker model (80FX-RT). What is the difference between the two and which would be more suited for ATMOS?

There is a second variety of ATMOS where it uses the ceiling to bounce off the sound. Pioneer has announced some speaker add-ons to be added to the fronts and the surrounds. Does Polk have or planning on a similar product to use with the RTI series?
My system:
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RTI A9/CSI A6/RTI A5
Subs: 3xRythmik Audio FV15HP
Denon 4311CI/Emotiva XPA-2/Emotiva XPA-5
BenQ W6000/W7000 projectors/130" 16:9 screen
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited July 2014
    ahmed wrote: »
    Dolby ATMOS is due later this year. I am planning to add 4 ceiling speakers to my system. I currently have a 7.1 Polk RTI system 2xA9, 4xA5, 1xA6. I already bought the 90RT to go in the ceiling but I recently discovered there is a surround in-ceiling speaker model (80FX-RT). What is the difference between the two and which would be more suited for ATMOS?

    There is a second variety of ATMOS where it uses the ceiling to bounce off the sound. Pioneer has announced some speaker add-ons to be added to the fronts and the surrounds. Does Polk have or planning on a similar product to use with the RTI series?


    If you have a kick butt 7.1. or 9.1 system I find it pointless to continue adding more speakers. Most of your dialog/action is center channel/front channel. The surround action is very subtle but if you have your processing set up or run the surrounds a little hotter you will not need any more speakers especially with your gear list.
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited July 2014
    I disagree. I think that sounds coming from directly above you could add a lot to the immersion factor. Godzilla is huge. His screams shouldn't be coming from in front or behind you, they should be coming from above you. As should that helicopter that just flew over you, etc.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited July 2014
    Whats the point of this if those extra speakers are just going to be matrix'd instead of encoded on the disk?
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited July 2014
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    Whats the point of this if those extra speakers are just going to be matrix'd instead of encoded on the disk?

    http://www.slashfilm.com/dolby-atmos-blu-ray/
    According to Crockett, Dolby Atmos titles will become available on Blu-ray and streaming video services starting this fall.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited July 2014
    Well now I gotta think about how I can hang those dang electrostats from the ceiling lol.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,092
    edited July 2014
    11.2 & counting!!! If you have the room for it & it's set up properly you're in for a real treat. The old standard...5.7, 7.1...mere childs play. Don't knock it till you've heard it!!!
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,457
    edited July 2014
    Nightfall wrote: »
    I disagree. I think that sounds coming from directly above you could add a lot to the immersion factor. Godzilla is huge. His screams shouldn't be coming from in front or behind you, they should be coming from above you. As should that helicopter that just flew over you, etc.


    I am wiring up six overhead locations but leaving of them out of the loop until Atmos is sorted out. I already have my 1.2TL's for my mains, a pair of AB700's for a center channel, AB700's for front height, rta-8tl for side and AB800 for rear, and this is all in a 16x22 foot space with 8 foot ceilings. There are also provisions for an in-wall sub and an external powered sub. Running all this will be my glorious Carver Statements and two Sunfire TGA-7401's using a Yamaha Aventage CX-A5000 http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/cx-a5000_black_u/?mode=model

    I doubt Atmos can add much to that list, but at least I will be ready for it.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited July 2014
    More hype....pffft
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited July 2014
    I could only dream of owning the CX-A5000 and/or the MX-A5000. Maybe when I'm old, frail, and they are considered "vintage" they will be in my budget :lol:

    You have an awesome setup, I'd love to hear something like that.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited July 2014
    F1nut wrote: »
    More hype....pffft
    Why do you disagree with Atmos?
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited July 2014
    Nightfall wrote: »
    Why do you disagree with Atmos?

    It's not enough. They need speakers in the floor for when things happen below you. :rolleyes:
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited July 2014
    F1nut wrote: »
    It's not enough. They need speakers in the floor for when things happen below you. :rolleyes:
    You might be onto something there. :wink:

    I get where you're coming from. I know pearsall loves his 11.2 setup but I feel the same about that as you do about Atmos.

    I suppose it really all depends on the size of the room in question.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited July 2014
    In order for heights or in ceiling speakers to be effective you need at least 13ft above you. The majority of us HT guys only have around 7 to 9 as rigs are mostly confined to the basements or converted garages so its really a stupid idea to think its going to have anywhere near the same effect as the cinema.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,457
    edited July 2014
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    In order for heights or in ceiling speakers to be effective you need at least 13ft above you. The majority of us HT guys only have around 7 to 9 as rigs are mostly confined to the basements or converted garages so its really a stupid idea to think its going to have anywhere near the same effect as the cinema.

    They really haven't said much about home specifications yet that I have found, but I suppose it makes at least some sense that ceiling height comes into the mix somewhere. That is why I have the wires up there and nothing more.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • Thorton
    Thorton Posts: 1,324
    edited July 2014
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    In order for heights or in ceiling speakers to be effective you need at least 13ft above you. The majority of us HT guys only have around 7 to 9 as rigs are mostly confined to the basements or converted garages so its really a stupid idea to think its going to have anywhere near the same effect as the cinema.

    Personally with my 5.2 system, I don't care if I ever go to the cinema again. I probably will go to 7.2 though.
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________
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    Tube Preamp Buffer: Tortuga TPB.V1
    Amp1: Nord One NC1200DM Signature, Amp2: W4S MC-5, AMP3: W4S MMC-7
    Front: Salk SoundScape 8's, Center: Salk SoundScape C7
    Surround: Polk FXIA6, Surround Back: Polk RTIA9, Atmos: Polk 70-RT
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited July 2014
    F1nut wrote: »
    It's not enough. They need speakers in the floor for when things happen below you. :rolleyes:

    I agree, and somewhere on this site I spoof the ever EXPANDING need for more and more speakers by BYPASSING speakers entirely for HT and going DIRECTLY to WALL, CEILING, and FLOOR MEMBRANES. Where ALL SIX SIDES OF YOUR ROOM ARE THE SPEAKER. Atmos my A$$! TOTAL EVERYWHERE SOUND just like the OUTDOORS! lol

    And if we were to develop such a system do you know what it would PROVE?

    That we are, INDEED, living in the MATRIX and not in the real world!

    Until we reach my OMEGA point don't bother me with pointlessly "incremental" upgrades that concern "reflected" sound. After all BOSE has been REFLECTING sound off walls for decades. lol

    Atmos speakers? Like John said, just put some Polk in-walls in your ceiling and call it a day!

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited July 2014
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    In order for heights or in ceiling speakers to be effective you need at least 13ft above you. The majority of us HT guys only have around 7 to 9 as rigs are mostly confined to the basements or converted garages so its really a stupid idea to think its going to have anywhere near the same effect as the cinema.

    I guess your stereo imaging is confined to between your speakers......mine isn't.
    HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable

    2 Channel Thorens TD 318 Grado ZF1, SACD/CD Marantz 8260, Soundstream/Krell DAC1, Audio Mirror PP1, Odyssey Stratos, ADS L-1290, ICs-DIY Twisted , Speaker-Raymond Cable
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,132
    edited July 2014
    Yep my new Onkyo TX NR-838 will be Atmos ready this fall with an update heck it might have it now I'm still finding out all you can do with it as the manual don't tell you everything. Will I use Dolby Amos probably not, 7.2 with dual subs is all I need, basement rig 8 foot ceilings.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,992
    edited July 2014
    F1nut wrote: »
    More hype....pffft

    Might agree with this. Another gizmo to boost sales. Does your local Theatre use Atmos ? Different ways of spreading the same sound around the room. I'd pass and save the coin for an upgrade worth it.
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    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
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  • Hermitism
    Hermitism Posts: 4,276
    edited July 2014
    tonyb wrote: »
    Might agree with this. Another gizmo to boost sales.

    I'm not even going to ask what your thoughts are on K-Y BRAND YOURS+MINE COUPLES LUBRICANTS!

    Just when you think lubricants can't be improved upon. And what happens if you get them mixed up?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,457
    edited July 2014
    Hermitism wrote: »
    I'm not even going to ask what your thoughts are on K-Y BRAND YOURS+MINE COUPLES LUBRICANTS!

    Just when you think lubricants can't be improved upon. And what happens if you get them mixed up?

    1.21 gigawatts...
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited July 2014
    tonyb wrote: »
    Does your local Theatre use Atmos ?
    Yes. We already have 3 theaters that have Atmos.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
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  • Hermitism
    Hermitism Posts: 4,276
    edited July 2014
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    1.21 gigawatts...

    Now see, that would make a great marketing campaign!

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  • ahmed
    ahmed Posts: 23
    edited July 2014
    As far as I know there is no restriction on the ceiling height if in-ceiling speakers are used. As long as the speakers are installed within the following angle guidelines, ceiling heights 7.5 and above should be good:
    DenonAtmosc.jpg


    If add-on speakers are used to reflect off the ceiling, then there is a ceiling recommendation of 7.5-14 feet and it can't be a vaulted ceiling.

    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    In order for heights or in ceiling speakers to be effective you need at least 13ft above you. The majority of us HT guys only have around 7 to 9 as rigs are mostly confined to the basements or converted garages so its really a stupid idea to think its going to have anywhere near the same effect as the cinema.
    My system:
    http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=ahmedreda

    RTI A9/CSI A6/RTI A5
    Subs: 3xRythmik Audio FV15HP
    Denon 4311CI/Emotiva XPA-2/Emotiva XPA-5
    BenQ W6000/W7000 projectors/130" 16:9 screen
    Playstation 3/WDTV Live/Roku 2 XS /Apple TV/Tivo HD[/SIZE]
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  • ahmed
    ahmed Posts: 23
    edited July 2014
    The initial user previews have been fairly positive:
    http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1574386-official-dolby-atmos-thread-home-theater-version-28.html#post25785281

    The only issue is that the first generation Atmos receivers will not be support HDCP 2.2 which means that they will not support future 4K bluray players when available. I was hoping to make the jump to Atmos and 4k at the same time so I may have to wait another year for that to happen.
    F1nut wrote: »
    More hype....pffft
    My system:
    http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=ahmedreda

    RTI A9/CSI A6/RTI A5
    Subs: 3xRythmik Audio FV15HP
    Denon 4311CI/Emotiva XPA-2/Emotiva XPA-5
    BenQ W6000/W7000 projectors/130" 16:9 screen
    Playstation 3/WDTV Live/Roku 2 XS /Apple TV/Tivo HD[/SIZE]
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  • jerryez
    jerryez Posts: 17
    edited August 2014
    MY Onkyo TX-NR636 is Atmos ready and support 4k and HDCP2.2. All Onkyo models above the 636 also offer the same support.


    http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/prod_class.php?class=Receiver
    jerry
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited August 2014
    Are you sure they didn't mean (P)atmos? So that when you listen to this new form of processing you can hear the voice of "god", himself, as it descends from your ceiling? lol

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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  • quicksilvergts
    quicksilvergts Posts: 274
    edited August 2014
    Lol..
    There is still time. It has not been fully released for home yet
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited August 2014
    I understand the concept, but my bipole surrounds and rears are six feet above the floor. When a helicopter flies over, it flies over. Maybe I'm missing something.
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    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited August 2014
    The only thing you'd be missing is money out of your wallet.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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