Let's talk senses.
ZLTFUL
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In light of the recent trolling vitriol and inane babbling of a small, miniscule really, group of members (I won't honor them with the tag of Polkie because its meaning is wasted on them), I want to discuss the senses.
Now, I believe that everyone experiences those 5 senses differently. Our brains, while similar in composition, are wired differently from one person to the next. So lets break down what I mean by delving into each of the senses.
Smell
To me, the smell of a swamp, smells pleasant. It has an earthiness to it I enjoy. Same goes for decomposing loam and compost. It smells to me of life perpetuating itself. The living feeding off of the dead.
Others though, may think that those smells are unpleasant. My youngest daughter claims to enjoy the smell of her farts. Disgusting, to be sure but because I accept that others smell differently than I do, I accept that it *could* be possible that she does.
In fact, some people love the smell of pine forests but loathe the scent of roses or lilies. Or they think that the desert smells warm and welcoming but a mountain meadow after a rain storm smells cold and harsh.
But that is the wonderful thing about the sense of smell. We all perceive it differently.
Touch
Here we have one of the most unassuming of our senses. Usually when we refer to feeling, it is in reference to an emotion and not to the physical act of touching something.
But this sense is yet another example of how one person can *feel* things differently than another.
My wife has a blanket that she has had for decades. It has a corduroy border that I find to be rough and unpleasant. But she runs that border between her fingers when she is stressed out because she finds the feeling relaxing. I have a hand woven Indian blanket that my wife and daughter both hate. They state that it isn't a comfortable blanket. I on the other hand like the "rough hewn" texture of the materials.
Heck, even my dog will eschew the soft fluffy bed for the rough woolen bed that he can scratch his nose in.
My point is, everyone experiences textures differently. One person may enjoy the feeling of gritty sand on their skin from the beach while someone else likes the exhilaration they get from jumping into an ice cold pool of water.
But that is the wonderful thing about the sense of touch. We all perceive it differently.
Taste
This sense is easy. My wife loves the taste of lemons with salt on them. I think that is disgusting. She enjoys the taste of really spicy biryani while she does not like the taste of spicy chicken wings or salsa. I am the opposite. I do not enjoy the spices and flavors in biryani but I can eat ghost chile sauce wings all day. If everyone tasted things the same way, then restaurants wouldn't need to have multiple options. Everyone would take the chicken sandwich because everything tastes like chicken. But we don't. Our taste buds, again, while similar in make up, vary greatly from person to person. I don't enjoy sour flavors. My wife loves them. I enjoy the peaty earthiness of Islay Scotches while my wife prefers the flavor of Anejo Tequilas.
We all experience various flavors differently. Nobody ever gets chastised because they like different flavors than someone else.
Sight
Aesthetics for this sense are quite literally everything. How something looks is important to us. But lets face it, when it comes to this sense, yet again, we are all different. I prefer redheads. Some guys prefer blondes while others prefer brunettes. Some folks look at a Frank Lloyd Wright design and see nothing more than too many straight lines and 90* angles. I see an amazing architectural display. Some people enjoy the sight of a plant in their office while others prefer a view of a city skyline.
Sight is a very powerful sense in that what we see can induce a vast array of emotions. See a child getting hurt and you immediately experience concern, anger, sadness. Watching kittens play will induce amusement and happiness.
Walk into any art museum on the planet and you can rest assured that you won't enjoy seeing everything in there. All because what we perceive is good or bad visually varies drastically from one person to the next. Nobody is derided because they find something aesthetically pleasing when the next person doesn't.
Hearing
And last, but most certainly not least, hearing. Quite assuredly the most divisive of the senses when it comes to this forum.
Some people enjoy listening to jazz while others will enjoy Norse Death Metal. Nobody ever questions the music one enjoys. It is an individual preference.
So why is it, when someone says that they hear something differently than someone else, the naysayers burst into flames and immediately jump on some religious crusade to convince everyone that the other person is wrong and there is no way that the other can hear something that they can't?
Why is this sense suddenly different than all of our other senses?
Everyone's ears are different. Sure, they contain the same basic components but ears are a very individualistic body part. Difference in just the shape of the ear alone can have drastic effects on the way someone perceives sound. As an eardrum ages, it effects how we hear.
But why, then is it so taboo to some people when you claim that you can hear something that they can't?
My wife and I will listen to a song sitting side by side. I can ask her if she heard a finger drag a string at a certain point in the guitar solo or if she heard the drummer drop a stick during that softer passage and she may or may not hear it. It doesn't mean that she has better or worse hearing than the next person only that she hears differently than I do.
My point is, I don't get why it is so unbelievable to some people why *I* may be able to hear something that they can't. They instigate arguments and make long meandering posts that go off and on topic so many times that you eventually lose track of what the original question was. They seem to think that someone is challenging their intelligence when all it really boils down to is someone simply hearing differently than they do.
Why does Joe feel the need to chastise Frank because Frank hears differently than Joe? Is it some kind of mental disorder? Is it a sense of inadequacy? Or is it simply a closed mind that feels that every human being *must* experience everything the exact same way?
Me, well, I feel like you should listen to your song however you want to and damn what the naysayers say.
Now, I believe that everyone experiences those 5 senses differently. Our brains, while similar in composition, are wired differently from one person to the next. So lets break down what I mean by delving into each of the senses.
Smell
To me, the smell of a swamp, smells pleasant. It has an earthiness to it I enjoy. Same goes for decomposing loam and compost. It smells to me of life perpetuating itself. The living feeding off of the dead.
Others though, may think that those smells are unpleasant. My youngest daughter claims to enjoy the smell of her farts. Disgusting, to be sure but because I accept that others smell differently than I do, I accept that it *could* be possible that she does.
In fact, some people love the smell of pine forests but loathe the scent of roses or lilies. Or they think that the desert smells warm and welcoming but a mountain meadow after a rain storm smells cold and harsh.
But that is the wonderful thing about the sense of smell. We all perceive it differently.
Touch
Here we have one of the most unassuming of our senses. Usually when we refer to feeling, it is in reference to an emotion and not to the physical act of touching something.
But this sense is yet another example of how one person can *feel* things differently than another.
My wife has a blanket that she has had for decades. It has a corduroy border that I find to be rough and unpleasant. But she runs that border between her fingers when she is stressed out because she finds the feeling relaxing. I have a hand woven Indian blanket that my wife and daughter both hate. They state that it isn't a comfortable blanket. I on the other hand like the "rough hewn" texture of the materials.
Heck, even my dog will eschew the soft fluffy bed for the rough woolen bed that he can scratch his nose in.
My point is, everyone experiences textures differently. One person may enjoy the feeling of gritty sand on their skin from the beach while someone else likes the exhilaration they get from jumping into an ice cold pool of water.
But that is the wonderful thing about the sense of touch. We all perceive it differently.
Taste
This sense is easy. My wife loves the taste of lemons with salt on them. I think that is disgusting. She enjoys the taste of really spicy biryani while she does not like the taste of spicy chicken wings or salsa. I am the opposite. I do not enjoy the spices and flavors in biryani but I can eat ghost chile sauce wings all day. If everyone tasted things the same way, then restaurants wouldn't need to have multiple options. Everyone would take the chicken sandwich because everything tastes like chicken. But we don't. Our taste buds, again, while similar in make up, vary greatly from person to person. I don't enjoy sour flavors. My wife loves them. I enjoy the peaty earthiness of Islay Scotches while my wife prefers the flavor of Anejo Tequilas.
We all experience various flavors differently. Nobody ever gets chastised because they like different flavors than someone else.
Sight
Aesthetics for this sense are quite literally everything. How something looks is important to us. But lets face it, when it comes to this sense, yet again, we are all different. I prefer redheads. Some guys prefer blondes while others prefer brunettes. Some folks look at a Frank Lloyd Wright design and see nothing more than too many straight lines and 90* angles. I see an amazing architectural display. Some people enjoy the sight of a plant in their office while others prefer a view of a city skyline.
Sight is a very powerful sense in that what we see can induce a vast array of emotions. See a child getting hurt and you immediately experience concern, anger, sadness. Watching kittens play will induce amusement and happiness.
Walk into any art museum on the planet and you can rest assured that you won't enjoy seeing everything in there. All because what we perceive is good or bad visually varies drastically from one person to the next. Nobody is derided because they find something aesthetically pleasing when the next person doesn't.
Hearing
And last, but most certainly not least, hearing. Quite assuredly the most divisive of the senses when it comes to this forum.
Some people enjoy listening to jazz while others will enjoy Norse Death Metal. Nobody ever questions the music one enjoys. It is an individual preference.
So why is it, when someone says that they hear something differently than someone else, the naysayers burst into flames and immediately jump on some religious crusade to convince everyone that the other person is wrong and there is no way that the other can hear something that they can't?
Why is this sense suddenly different than all of our other senses?
Everyone's ears are different. Sure, they contain the same basic components but ears are a very individualistic body part. Difference in just the shape of the ear alone can have drastic effects on the way someone perceives sound. As an eardrum ages, it effects how we hear.
But why, then is it so taboo to some people when you claim that you can hear something that they can't?
My wife and I will listen to a song sitting side by side. I can ask her if she heard a finger drag a string at a certain point in the guitar solo or if she heard the drummer drop a stick during that softer passage and she may or may not hear it. It doesn't mean that she has better or worse hearing than the next person only that she hears differently than I do.
My point is, I don't get why it is so unbelievable to some people why *I* may be able to hear something that they can't. They instigate arguments and make long meandering posts that go off and on topic so many times that you eventually lose track of what the original question was. They seem to think that someone is challenging their intelligence when all it really boils down to is someone simply hearing differently than they do.
Why does Joe feel the need to chastise Frank because Frank hears differently than Joe? Is it some kind of mental disorder? Is it a sense of inadequacy? Or is it simply a closed mind that feels that every human being *must* experience everything the exact same way?
Me, well, I feel like you should listen to your song however you want to and damn what the naysayers say.
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
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Well said Z. There has been a number of polk Veterans with the same sentiments as yours for eons. My opinion has always been whatever gets the hairs on the back of your neck to stand on end. If that's two channel, multi-channel, with subs, without subs, tubes, solid state, seated, standing, dancing, .........etc
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CAN I GET AN AMEN BROTHER.......
And yes I meant ALL CAPS....I'm effin yellin
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You need to stop posting rational nonsense like this, you are going to give people the wrong idea about this place.
So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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I will be the first to admit that I get frustrated with others. But the part that frustrates me is closed mindedness. I encounter it every day in my workplace. I have folks who have done something the same way for 15 years and when they are told to try it another way, they are so set in their ways that they don't realize that the new way is more efficient and faster. It is just "different" and therefore it can't be better."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Where are the chips... I need to chew them with an open mouth at my computer....."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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I am centsless...which is why I haven't bought any new gear in a long time.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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I think taste and hearing are the most polarizing. I loathe Chicken, and Butternut Squash, but love Broccoli, Cauliflower and Lima Beans
I like certain Caps in my crossovers, while other prefer a different type. I don't dismiss others for there likes or dislikes. Whatever sounds good to YOU is what matters.
You can't tell a person what tastes good or sounds good to them, it's totally illogical.Home Theater/2 Channel:
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Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
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ZLTFUL,
BANG ON! Yours is a very thoughtful and considered analysis. Thank you for taking the time to do it.
You're especially perceptive when you say, "I enjoy the peaty earthiness of Islay Scotches . . .."
I hope some day we can raise a glass together and even pass the haggis -- well maybe skip the latter and double down on the single malt! :~)
Cheers!Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer (Roon Core) with Morrow Audio USB cable to McIntosh MC 2700 pre with DC2 Digital Audio Module; AQ Sky XLRs to CAT 600.2 dualmono amp, Morrow Elite Speaker Cables to NOLA Baby Grand Reference Gold 3 speakers. Power source for all components: Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One with dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel.
Exercise Room, Innuos Streamer via Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ King Cobra RCAs to Perreaux PMF3150 amp (fully restored and upgraded by Jeffrey Jackson, Precision Audio Labs), Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables to SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers and other mods.), Dreadnaught with Supra Rondo 4x2.5 interconnect cables by Vr3 Mods. Power for each component from dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel, except Innuos Statement powered from Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One. -
That had a lot of letters in it.
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That had a lot of letters in it.
Now my brain hurts.
I had to nap after I typed it up. Been an exhausting day. :cheesygrin:"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Moose68Bash wrote: »ZLTFUL,
BANG ON! Yours is a very thoughtful and considered analysis. Thank you for taking the time to do it.
You're especially perceptive when you say, "I enjoy the peaty earthiness of Islay Scotches . . .."
I hope some day we can raise a glass together and even pass the haggis -- well maybe skip the latter and double down on the single malt! :~)
Cheers!
I will bring the Laphroaig Triple Cask!"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
I had to nap after I typed it up. Been an exhausting day. :cheesygrin:
Dont lie it was the liquor at the pub and all that greasy fatty food you were eating and drinking while watching SOCCER (not FUTBOL)...."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
I read this recently:
"A speaker can't be evaluated like a painting. The nature of a painting forces subjectivity while a speaker *can* be objectively tested. Don't forget that a painting is a production conveying the emotions and ideas of the painter, while a speaker is a device for reproduction. There is no room for emotion (or distortion) in a reproduction. A reproduction is judged by one thing: accuracy compared to the original. People shouldn't put on purple sunglasses when going to an art museum."
That's almost like saying a Porsche is only good for getting you from point A to point B. There are so many other factors that come into play when forming an opinion about a system. Most times, it's a very personal thing and small differences are only things you would notice. It's almost like driving the same car for any period of time, only you're going to notice when something doesn't feel right. I think there is a camp of audiophiles who really don't care about the journey. As long as they get perfect and measurable accuracy, they're fine. I'm in the camp that enjoys the fleshy warmth of tubes. I enjoy trying new things. I'd take a romantic sound (rolled of highs, midrange presence, mid bass boost) over an accurate system that leaves me feeling dry. Both camps are absolutely fine to be in, people just need to learn to live with each other & learn to respect other's experience and perspectives. That doesn't mean I don't think some people are crazy and foolish though. There is WITH OUT A DOUBT a maturity that happens in this hobby and it takes some longer to get there than others. -
Dave
even though you would never like my chicken & butternut squash casserole, I do trust you taste in cap's & music
I really like this forum for finding out what everybody likes & don't like in equipment & music, and it may or may not influence me, but in the end I have to walk that road alone and make my own choices. I know I will never know if I like something or not, if I do not try different things. (but experimenting can be costly)2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge
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I will bring the Laphroaig Triple Cask!
And I'll bring a Bowmore Darkest Islay!
Now, what music shall we spin?Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer (Roon Core) with Morrow Audio USB cable to McIntosh MC 2700 pre with DC2 Digital Audio Module; AQ Sky XLRs to CAT 600.2 dualmono amp, Morrow Elite Speaker Cables to NOLA Baby Grand Reference Gold 3 speakers. Power source for all components: Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One with dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel.
Exercise Room, Innuos Streamer via Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ King Cobra RCAs to Perreaux PMF3150 amp (fully restored and upgraded by Jeffrey Jackson, Precision Audio Labs), Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables to SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers and other mods.), Dreadnaught with Supra Rondo 4x2.5 interconnect cables by Vr3 Mods. Power for each component from dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel, except Innuos Statement powered from Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One. -
Where the hell did you read that?
First off, viewing music as reproduction is incorrect. It should be viewed as a recreation.
Second off, I'm going back to work.
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Smell
My youngest daughter claims to enjoy the smell of her farts. Disgusting, to be sure but because I accept that others smell differently than I do, I accept that it *could* be possible that she does.
Sounds like a special little girl and a special daddy/daughter relationship. ;~) -
I sense something. A presence I've not felt since the last troll invasion.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I'd have to be pretty liquored up to make it through a Chicken Butternut Casserole, and best to have a large Barf Bag close at hand.Dave
even though you would never like my chicken & butternut squash casserole, I do trust you taste in cap's & music
I really like this forum for finding out what everybody likes & don't like in equipment & music, and it may or may not influence me, but in the end I have to walk that road alone and make my own choices. I know I will never know if I like something or not, if I do not try different things. (but experimenting can be costly)Home Theater/2 Channel:
Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
dhsspeakerservice.com/ -
I sense something. A presence I've not felt since the last troll invasion.
Help me Jesse Wan Kenobi...you're my only hope. :redface:"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
In light of the recent trolling vitriol and inane babbling of a small, miniscule really, group of members (I won't honor them with the tag of Polkie because its meaning is wasted on them), I want to discuss the senses.
Now, I believe that everyone experiences those 5 senses differently. Our brains, while similar in composition, are wired differently from one person to the next. So lets break down what I mean by delving into each of the senses.
Smell
To me, the smell of a swamp, smells pleasant. It has an earthiness to it I enjoy. Same goes for decomposing loam and compost. It smells to me of life perpetuating itself. The living feeding off of the dead.
Others though, may think that those smells are unpleasant. My youngest daughter claims to enjoy the smell of her farts. Disgusting, to be sure but because I accept that others smell differently than I do, I accept that it *could* be possible that she does.
In fact, some people love the smell of pine forests but loathe the scent of roses or lilies. Or they think that the desert smells warm and welcoming but a mountain meadow after a rain storm smells cold and harsh.
But that is the wonderful thing about the sense of smell. We all perceive it differently.
Touch
Here we have one of the most unassuming of our senses. Usually when we refer to feeling, it is in reference to an emotion and not to the physical act of touching something.
But this sense is yet another example of how one person can *feel* things differently than another.
My wife has a blanket that she has had for decades. It has a corduroy border that I find to be rough and unpleasant. But she runs that border between her fingers when she is stressed out because she finds the feeling relaxing. I have a hand woven Indian blanket that my wife and daughter both hate. They state that it isn't a comfortable blanket. I on the other hand like the "rough hewn" texture of the materials.
Heck, even my dog will eschew the soft fluffy bed for the rough woolen bed that he can scratch his nose in.
My point is, everyone experiences textures differently. One person may enjoy the feeling of gritty sand on their skin from the beach while someone else likes the exhilaration they get from jumping into an ice cold pool of water.
But that is the wonderful thing about the sense of touch. We all perceive it differently.
Taste
This sense is easy. My wife loves the taste of lemons with salt on them. I think that is disgusting. She enjoys the taste of really spicy biryani while she does not like the taste of spicy chicken wings or salsa. I am the opposite. I do not enjoy the spices and flavors in biryani but I can eat ghost chile sauce wings all day. If everyone tasted things the same way, then restaurants wouldn't need to have multiple options. Everyone would take the chicken sandwich because everything tastes like chicken. But we don't. Our taste buds, again, while similar in make up, vary greatly from person to person. I don't enjoy sour flavors. My wife loves them. I enjoy the peaty earthiness of Islay Scotches while my wife prefers the flavor of Anejo Tequilas.
We all experience various flavors differently. Nobody ever gets chastised because they like different flavors than someone else.
Sight
Aesthetics for this sense are quite literally everything. How something looks is important to us. But lets face it, when it comes to this sense, yet again, we are all different. I prefer redheads. Some guys prefer blondes while others prefer brunettes. Some folks look at a Frank Lloyd Wright design and see nothing more than too many straight lines and 90* angles. I see an amazing architectural display. Some people enjoy the sight of a plant in their office while others prefer a view of a city skyline.
Sight is a very powerful sense in that what we see can induce a vast array of emotions. See a child getting hurt and you immediately experience concern, anger, sadness. Watching kittens play will induce amusement and happiness.
Walk into any art museum on the planet and you can rest assured that you won't enjoy seeing everything in there. All because what we perceive is good or bad visually varies drastically from one person to the next. Nobody is derided because they find something aesthetically pleasing when the next person doesn't.
Hearing
And last, but most certainly not least, hearing. Quite assuredly the most divisive of the senses when it comes to this forum.
Some people enjoy listening to jazz while others will enjoy Norse Death Metal. Nobody ever questions the music one enjoys. It is an individual preference.
So why is it, when someone says that they hear something differently than someone else, the naysayers burst into flames and immediately jump on some religious crusade to convince everyone that the other person is wrong and there is no way that the other can hear something that they can't?
Why is this sense suddenly different than all of our other senses?
Everyone's ears are different. Sure, they contain the same basic components but ears are a very individualistic body part. Difference in just the shape of the ear alone can have drastic effects on the way someone perceives sound. As an eardrum ages, it effects how we hear.
But why, then is it so taboo to some people when you claim that you can hear something that they can't?
My wife and I will listen to a song sitting side by side. I can ask her if she heard a finger drag a string at a certain point in the guitar solo or if she heard the drummer drop a stick during that softer passage and she may or may not hear it. It doesn't mean that she has better or worse hearing than the next person only that she hears differently than I do.
My point is, I don't get why it is so unbelievable to some people why *I* may be able to hear something that they can't. They instigate arguments and make long meandering posts that go off and on topic so many times that you eventually lose track of what the original question was. They seem to think that someone is challenging their intelligence when all it really boils down to is someone simply hearing differently than they do.
Why does Joe feel the need to chastise Frank because Frank hears differently than Joe? Is it some kind of mental disorder? Is it a sense of inadequacy? Or is it simply a closed mind that feels that every human being *must* experience everything the exact same way?
Me, well, I feel like you should listen to your song however you want to and damn what the naysayers say.
It's too bad CP doesn't award a Pulitzer because this is about as close as one can get to earning one.
Very nicely done!
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I just haven't been able to wrap my head around the insipid hatred that people seem to have for someone hearing differently than them.
If I tell Jalapeno Joe that I don't like the taste of Caribbean Jerk Chicken, Joe doesn't tell me I am wrong because of it if he does indeed like the taste. He accepts that I don't and life goes on.
But don't get Jalapeno Joe started on someone claiming that they hear a difference when one cable is used versus another. Because if you do, Jalapeno Joe will burst into bigger flames than what comes outta yer butt after eating too many jalapenos."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Hey ZLTFUL, well said, I've sitting back reading this and thinking you're 100% right!
It's not worth the effort arguing with "self-proclaimed know it all's".
My offer still stands, if you ever come to S.FL. you're more than welcome to stop by & listen to the SRT's as mentioned on a different thread.
Frank.SRT Seismic System with dual PSW1200's
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BJC -
Great post! I always thought it was non-sense when people chastise others for hearing things that they can't hear themselves. Especially when their claims are within reason. It's not like every human has exactly 20hz-20khz hearing abilities, so there's no reason any of us should ever discount what one claims they can and can't hear. Not a single one of us has the exact same fingerprint, foot, or toe nails..so why would our hearing or any other sense be the same? Those descriptions you use to describe the senses are great ZLTFUL, and really paint a picture. Scientifically what we should aim to do is determine Why someone hears what they hear and get to the root cause (Noise introduction, etc, etc) instead of simply ruling them out or chastise them for no reason.
A great example I've seen is with all the recent talk about digital signals. Variables like Jitter, Ground Loops, and Stray Voltage all have ways of impacting the final sound you hear..regardless of the source and how clean or perfect it is. That said, the *point of introduction* is what is most important, and this is where I think most the confusion lies surrounding digital signals. A lot of the confusion lies in the fact that while the signal itself is perfect and decoded as such from a digital source, factors such as those I listed (Ground loops, etc) don't need to integrate themselves with the audio signal (Or what becomes the audio signal) as would be the case with analog to effect the sound reproduced from the speaker. Those factors just need to find a path to the speaker to be reproduced in an audible form. A wire may carry a digital signal on the inside, but what's creeping along the outside or seeping it's way through the solid core? Those are the little things that create problems in today's evolved audio world much more so than in yesterdays world..with it's relaxed tolerances and specifications. We have to constantly adjust our train of thought and mindset if we're ever to study and conquer those undesirable sound artifacts, as they are always changing. I agree with you in that using our senses is the first and best way to investigate!Too many good quotes to list..waiting for some fresh ammo. -
I just haven't been able to wrap my head around the insipid hatred that people seem to have for someone hearing differently than them.
If I tell Jalapeno Joe that I don't like the taste of Caribbean Jerk Chicken, Joe doesn't tell me I am wrong because of it if he does indeed like the taste. He accepts that I don't and life goes on.
But don't get Jalapeno Joe started on someone claiming that they hear a difference when one cable is used versus another. Because if you do, Jalapeno Joe will burst into bigger flames than what comes outta yer butt after eating too many jalapenos.
I think its because your a decent person
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I think its because your a decent person
A crazy man takes out a gun & does something crazy, and you say you can not understand how he could do that, is because your not crazy! you would have to be crazy to understand it!
You sir, are a philosopher!"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
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I promote growth in the hobby. It takes an open mind for that to happen.
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I think I am going to start bumping this post every single time someone starts or runs with a cable thread that degenerates into "You can't hear differences because I can't...""Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
I just like music.
Not smart enough to offer much more than that.
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That's the great part about our senses...they aren't intellect driven! So even not smart people can have good sense!
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
