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BKphoto
BKphoto Posts: 409
edited May 2014 in 2 Channel Audio
Just received my new cables...They aren't hooked up yet, but I'm impressed by the construction of them, very nice...

I just got my new TT...Instead of going vintage again I got a Project Debut Carbon...One of the things I liked was instead of cheap wires it has RCA jacks, hence the new purchase. Got a set for TT to pre and pre to amp...

I've had nothing but problems with my B&O even after Soundsmith did a complete rebuild...which is why i went new...

BK
Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited April 2014
    Congrats enjoy your new gear!
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited April 2014
    Great little TT :) I love mine, I changed the platter to their Acrylic one and added a "Speed box S" so I don't have to take the platter off to change speeds!

    Enjoy :)
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • Inspector 24
    Inspector 24 Posts: 1,308
    edited April 2014
    I've been considering the project Carbon. Did you notice any difference with the acrylic platter?
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited April 2014
    Yes, the metal platter to me seemed very micro phonic, and the Acrylic platter tame some of the vibrations and had a little more weight to it. it was worth the extra $$$ to me.
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
    edited April 2014
    Congrats! Nice set-up.
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    voltz wrote: »
    Yes, the metal platter to me seemed very micro phonic, and the Acrylic platter tame some of the vibrations and had a little more weight to it. it was worth the extra $$$ to me.

    I ordered a Herbies audio lab mat to help that...

    How is set up...? anything to look out for...?
    Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    edited April 2014
    My Debut Carbon is all original and sounds pretty good that way. I have also, somewhat, considered the acrylic platter upgrade. There is a slight platter rumble between songs occasionally when playing thin records with the volume up loud, but it doesn't bother me too much and otherwise sounds fantastic.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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  • Inspector 24
    Inspector 24 Posts: 1,308
    edited April 2014
    voltz wrote: »
    Yes, the metal platter to me seemed very micro phonic, and the Acrylic platter tame some of the vibrations and had a little more weight to it. it was worth the extra $$$ to me.

    Cool! Thanks for the data point.

    Sorry for the thread jack. :razz:
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited April 2014
    Never liked anything B&O made, that's just me though.

    Anyway, what are you waiting for ? Hook up those cables and let them burn in for a week, put up a mini review.
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    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
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    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited April 2014
    Set up is really easy, just find the neutral spot for the counter weight so that the tonearm just hangs there in midair - then think it said to make 15 turns, and when I check it with a force gauge it was almost spot on for correct force :)

    And don't lose that little string and little black doughnut ring that you need for anti-skating :)
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    I will...I'm daddy-day-care lately so setting this up with a 5 and 2 year old up my but isn't gonna work...I planned on wed....
    Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    "Set up is really easy, just find the neutral spot for the counter weight so that the tonearm just hangs there in midair - then think it said to make 15 turns, and when I check it with a force gauge it was almost spot on for correct force :)

    and don't lose that little string and little black doughnut ring that you need for anti-skating :) "


    thanks man....will do...
    Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    edited April 2014
    BK what cables did you go for ? Looking forward to your thoughts on them also. Congrats on the turntable. Sure you can wait to enjoy that.. Randy
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    Blue Jeans Cable LC-1...2 sets,TT to pre, pre to amp... this TT has rca jacks so you can use better cables if you wish....

    tomorrow is out with the old in with the new day...
    Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    edited April 2014
    Looked at their site & they have some outstanding prices on items.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited April 2014
    My SVS sub sports BJ analog cables, and I have always preferred their Belden digital cable (1694A) and use 2 of them in my system.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    gonna take some time to fully evaluate but like I said construction seems to be pretty awesome...
    Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited April 2014
    BK

    On your TT setup you turn the counter weight 17 marks not 17 turns after you find the spot where tonearm just floats there :)

    Ortofon recommends 1,8 g (18 mN) for the 2m.
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    ha, I figured that....
    Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited May 2014
    So, an update...

    a couple new things...Got rid of B&O TT and went with new vs. vintage....Picked up a piano black Project Debut Carbon...

    Then Blue Jeans IC's...

    First, my set up before seemed very bland, nice, but just bland....with volume at halfway I barely moved the drivers on my speakers...again not bad, just meh...

    Now, this set up seems much different, more dynamic, TT is not as refined as B&O, a little more on the raw side (will need time for stylus to settle in obviously) But the music seems to leap off the record...At 3 on my preamp now the drivers are practically jumping out of the cabs...

    Dark Side of Moon, Pink Floyd sounded sick...

    Gaucho, Steely Dan...wowie...

    Now listening to Miles Davis, Kind of Blue....

    My speakers still need more time to also settle in since the rebuild so I can't wait to see where this goes...

    More to come...
    Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited May 2014
    Your certainly moving in the right direction, congrats on the new stuff.
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    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited May 2014
    how long does it usually take for the stylus to settle in...?
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  • amb426amb1
    amb426amb1 Posts: 148
    edited May 2014
    My last stylus purchase is running around 80 hours and seems to be settled. I think that 100 hour range seems to be average. Or my ears just get use to it?...some things are subtle.
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited May 2014
    amb426amb1 wrote: »
    Or my ears just get use to it?...some things are subtle.

    exactly....

    "Does this sound good, I think so..."
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited May 2014
    I think thats about right for most of the parts, even the phono stage, cables so it will all burn in and get better.

    I think the phono stage can be a very important part of your Vinyl sound!

    I was talking with the guys at Acoustic Sounds who are phono experts for the most part, ask about if I upgraded my Cartridge what would they recommend -> they said they would NOT recommend changing it as the feel Pro-ject does a really good job of matching their TT with cartridges and that all the money I thought about putting into a new Cartridge should instead go to a new & better Phono stage which if & when I chose to get a newer better TT would go along nicely with it and be a good future upgrade already taken care of :)

    If your using a built phono stage or such a seperate phono stage can be a nice upgrade.
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited May 2014
    My Preamp has a great phono stage...
    Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited May 2014
    Yeah your NAD does have a nice phono stage, I think the parasound's are pretty good also.

    my Vincent didn't have 1 so I start with a cheap Pro-ject phono amp and once I upgraded it to a Graham Slee Gram Amp 2 the sound really improved a lot and I wasnt sure what you hooked your TT to but then I saw your sig :)

    I forgot till you mentioned it, but speed box does add some performance due to a stabilizing of the table speed!
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • BKphoto
    BKphoto Posts: 409
    edited May 2014
    So...when I first posted about new set up I noticed a hum and vibration coming from the motor of the TT...you could feel it in the base...After 3 mins on a search I found the solution and it worked like a charm...she is dead quiet now...4 5/32 rubber washers and 2 #6 brass washers...stack 2 rubber and one brass on top under the 2 screws that hold the motor flanges...there is rubber under but not on top...this completely isolates the motor...

    I called it raw when I first posted, that is completely gone...it sounds great...

    also running a Herbies audio mat with the original metal platter...
    Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited May 2014
    wow, glad you found fix as I never had a issue with my TT like that. glad its sounding great.

    picked up a 45rpm version of "The Dave Brubeck Quartet" LP time out, during the song "Take Five" there is a drum solo towards the end and every time the drummer stomped on that bass pedal I thought he was going to put his foot thru my dang speakers LOL!
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited May 2014
    I'm also waiting for some 12 gu white for anther set of speakers that ia have. ai first 20' or so went right for and only dedicated to the Polks. This is true but a little test as it said I did not any posts befrore and I should be around 1300 or so. Also the logo on my favorites lists has changed from the red one to a black CP. Anone else notice?
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