Five Speaker Jumper Comparisons For The SDA SRS 1.2TL
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Haha! Shows you the last time I drank some Kool-Aid! I mispelled the name!
I also have the Steely Dan T-shirt. :cheesygrin:Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
...yet you argue the fact that jumper cables make a difference when they carry an analog signal.
Where did I ever say that?I'm a bit confused on your stance here? You say that they make a difference, but actually HEARING the difference is absurdity?
Perceiving the difference, not hearing it.
Kinda like when someone eggs your car. Technically it's damaged (There are microscopic scratches all over the paint finish) but who is really able to see and distinguish that damage after washing off the egg?Too many good quotes to list..waiting for some fresh ammo. -
at least you are consistent...
you knew a lot about photography the other day...
now this...Marantz 1152 DC- Denon DP 1200, Soundsmith Carmen MKII- ADS L980 - Blue Jeans IC's -
at least you are consistent...
You knew a lot about photography the other day...
Now this...
^^^this^^^Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
Kinda like when someone eggs your car.
You've had your car egged......LOL
Says a lot about you.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Where did I ever say that?
First you said it here: www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?160408-Five-Speaker-Jumper-Comparisons-For-The-SDA-SRS-1.2TL&p=2040160&viewfull=1#post2040160
And again here: http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?160408-Five-Speaker-Jumper-Comparisons-For-The-SDA-SRS-1.2TL&p=2040967&viewfull=1#post2040967
My dad always said, if you don't lie, you never have to remember what you said."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
It doesn't work like that here. The proof lies on you to prove that they don't. The vast majority of us here already know the facts, time for you to school yourself. Be forewarned, you might actually learn something.If you can prove to me that 0's and 1's sound differently via different cables, then please do.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Blue Fox, I originally thought I was going for the same thing. After having the most horrendous Sharp HTIB I finally got what I thought was a decent H/T system.Thought because it failed miserably at playing music at the quality I thought a new 90watt Yamaha would deliver. Movies were great, the opening scene of Valkerie for example when the Mustang comes in for the attack and the akak goes off and then the machines the room shook. When it came to music, it was a major diappointment where at a high volume (not earth shaking by any means) the avr clipped and went into protecto mode. I was lucky it came back and even luckier that the avr had pre/outs and as soon as could afford it I got the stand alone Adcom which made all the difference. Point being I did have a bad experience using my h/t avr for music. Are there better avr than my RX-V665 of course but it should have performed better than what it did.2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E
H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-
Bdrm- Nikko 6065 receiver- JBL -G-200s--Pioneer 305 headphones--Sony CE375-5 disc -
Have you ever accidentally pressed the button during the hearing tests?
I rest my case.
I never disputed that humans make mistakes. What is your point?PS - Control of the brain is easier said then done. The key is "Subconscious" bias, and the last time I checked NO human is fully in control of their subconscious.
I disagree that listening biases are subconscious. Where is your documented proof of this?
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."![:\](https://forum.polkaudio.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Holy Crap! I figured this would be over by now. This is just sad at this point.If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of Progress?!
Monitor 5Jr, Monitor 5, RTA12, RTA 15TL, SDA 2A, 1c, SRS 2, 1.2TL, CRS, Atrium. -
Nothing wrong with a little entertainment value every now and then.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
I like good entertainment but when a movie gets much longer than 3 hours it starts getting uninteresting too.If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of Progress?!
Monitor 5Jr, Monitor 5, RTA12, RTA 15TL, SDA 2A, 1c, SRS 2, 1.2TL, CRS, Atrium. -
The classics never get old my friend. We have some threads from years ago we still dig up every now and then for the simple entertainment. What can we say, we're simple animals.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
It does seem like any thread that gets active about any sort of cable talk always attracts people who've been a member of the forum for a month, have 50 posts, and insist that anything to do with cables is placebo, and expect you to prove something to them.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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IMHO, it takes a pretty good system to hear a difference in cables. Perhaps, it is more evident to someone who has invested in JC-1s, and made his Polks a labor of love. That said, in my youth I was able to discern 1dB differences easily, and was involved in album mix-downs. Today tinnitus, and age cause a distressing inability to tell the difference in many sound qualities, so I have not spent vast sums to acquire great amps and cables. More power to anyone who can hear the subtle differences. Enjoy it while you can.
Tom -
I can hear a 1dB change. It's not much but it's detectable. I think the definition of a dB is the smallest volume change an average person can detect.'65 427 Shelby Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
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'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix, internal surround amp bridged to drive only a center channel
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media
One PGA2310 based custom built remote volume control
Four Polk T-15's
Four Polk TSi-200's
Four Polk TSi-100's
Two Polk CS-10's -
It's not just differences in sound level between cables, there can also be differences in imaging and sound stage dimensions.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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And, I'll add tone(s) to that as well.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Decibel is only a measurement of energy, there are also other identifiable differences that can place within the same dB. Some of those items are phase, distortion, and although it's debatable, group delay.I can hear a 1dB change. It's not much but it's detectable. I think the definition of a dB is the smallest volume change an average person can detect."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
IMHO, it takes a pretty good system to hear a difference in cables.
Tom
Eh...yes and no Tom. Maybe a more "revealing" system is the proper terminology...and that need not cost a lot of coin. Differences in cables can be subtle...but also profound, even if your ears are old like mine. So I wouldn't poo-poo the idea of trying different stuff.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Decibel is only a measurement of energy
It's not only that. In relationship to hearing it equates in terms of sound volume to the the smallest volume change an average listener can detect.
I think we need a new argument on this thread '65 427 Shelby Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
__________________
'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix, internal surround amp bridged to drive only a center channel
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media
One PGA2310 based custom built remote volume control
Four Polk T-15's
Four Polk TSi-200's
Four Polk TSi-100's
Two Polk CS-10's -
I don't! I think we have argued enough. Whoa!! - that's an opinion and on here giving an opinion is an argument. Looks like I just started a new argument with you.I think we need a new argument on this thread - SDA 2BTL · Sonicaps · Mills resistors · RDO-198s · New gaskets · H-nuts · Erse inductors · BH5 · Dynamat
- Crossover upgrades by westmassguy
- Marantz 1504 AVR (front speaker pre-outs to Adcom 555)
- Adcom GFA-555 amp · Upgrades & speaker protection added by OldmanSRS
- Pioneer DV-610AV DVD/CD player
- SDA CRS+ · Hidden away in the closet
- SDA 2BTL · Sonicaps · Mills resistors · RDO-198s · New gaskets · H-nuts · Erse inductors · BH5 · Dynamat
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I don't! I think we have argued enough. Whoa!! - that's an opinion and on here giving an opinion is an argument. Looks like I just started a new argument with you.
Only when you state an opinion as a fact, and then say people are delusional (placebo effect) if they do not agree with your opinion.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
Well that's just like your opinion, man."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
DarqueKnight wrote: »It's not just differences in sound level between cables, there can also be differences in imaging and sound stage dimensions.
In my audio travels, I have met many who don't even know what that really means or what is possible. They still think that sound eminating from a left and a right speaker is imaging. Makes me chuckle. If they only knew...
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
DarqueKnight wrote: »I have never heard or seen a difference in audio or video performance with any digital cable I've tried, whether it was optical, coax, or HDMI. The last digital cable comparison I did was in 2009:
Tweaking-Home-Theater-Pt.-3-The-Pioneer-Elite-BDP-09FD-Blu-ray-Player.
I compared HDMI cables made by Acoustic Research ($20), Rocketfish ($85), and Monster Cable ($130). There was no performance difference among them. I subsequently compared the $20 Acoustic Research HDMI cables to $8 Monoprice HDMI cables, didn't see or hear a difference between them, then returned the AR cables.
It took me forever to find this. I remembered you saying that you didn't hear any difference in HDMI cables. There is no doubt that you have a more trained ear than me. I was using a Monster Ultra 800 HDMI between my Blu-ray player and my SC-05. Then I upgraded it to an AudioQuest Chocolate HDMI, late last year. When I hooked it up it seemed to have a brighter sound than what I was hearing before. A brighter sound was not what I was hoping for, but now I don't seem to notice it anymore. Is there a burn-in process with HDMI cables like there is with speaker cables? Could that account for the brightness I thought I was hearing when I first started using the new cable or was I just imagining a difference? Or did I just get used to it over time? Or am I just looney? -
It took me forever to find this. I remembered you saying that you didn't hear any difference in HDMI cables. There is no doubt that you have a more trained ear than me. I was using a Monster Ultra 800 HDMI between my Blu-ray player and my SC-05. Then I upgraded it to an AudioQuest Chocolate HDMI, late last year. When I hooked it up it seemed to have a brighter sound than what I was hearing before. A brighter sound was not what I was hoping for, but now I don't seem to notice it anymore. Is there a burn-in process with HDMI cables like there is with speaker cables? Could that account for the brightness I thought I was hearing when I first started using the new cable or was I just imagining a difference? Or did I just get used to it over time? Or am I just looney?
I think there's a burn in time. My image appeared brighter for at least the first 3 months after I swapped cables. Eventually it settled down, I think. Hard to really tell the difference sometimes, but I'm pretty sure it made a decent difference.Too many good quotes to list..waiting for some fresh ammo.
