Bhulley Boy Audio all handmade in Pakistan
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You have check out this gear.....wow!!!
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Holy Schmoly! Would still like to know how much it costs though.
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They like silver that's for sure, and lots of it. Beautiful looking....but how does it sound ? That's the million dollar question.HT SYSTEM-
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Dang! That is impressive. I would never thought that area for hand made high end audio.Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's.
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Well, it is impressive to see the dedications of these guys giving in the audio but let's be real honest.
Some parts require extreme clean room to manufacture and assemble and they don't have it. Some parts require extreme precision manufacturing technique and tools. I am not 100% sure but they don't seem to have the precision tools to measure properly.
Measuring hand wound capacitors with that meter, really?
Silver coming from the smelting of the silverware? Oh NO! Don't forget Pakistan and many Indian traditions uses silverware and these old silverware are a good source of silver cheaply.
May be they are stuck in 1960 and labor is cheap.
F1, Thanks for posting so I know what dedications means but NO, I will pass.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
I fail to find merit in any of your comments.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I made my comments based on my understandings of Electronics and Handmade Electronics and the good and the skinny of the aforementioned techniques. And yes, I have read every line in that link before I made my comment.
While I was making my comment, it didn't cross my mind why any of my comment should make sense or to whom.
Sorry it doesn't make sense to everyone or to you. I will simplify - My basic statement is "Not ALL Handmade is Cool"! Some parts are better left to be made by CNC or machines inside a clean room.
Some parts are better made without human imprints (fingerprints and smudges and skin oil).Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
I would fall asleep in front of that system .......with a lit ciggy in my hand.
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For e.g. This part really cracks me up.The massive 15 LF (low frquency) speaker thats on par with the legendary TAD of Japan.
Really? I know most of the best speaker drivers are hand assembled because it require super precision and balancing act. But again, you'll need some of the best measuring tool to make sure they are properly aligned and they sounds optimal.
One of the worst problem of being all hand made (or mostly hand made in their case) is that the difficulty in obtaining consistency in quality control of the finished product.
One of their driver may perform absolutely great but the next one could perform absolutely lousy. This requires a Golden Ear or some proper equipment to test and I failed to see that in the pictures in the link.
May be they are hiding their state of the art R&D facility? If that's the case, this picture would make sense.![tumblr_m2z2dbKXM81qec8kd[1].jpg](https://us.v-cdn.net/5021930/uploads/attachments/9/2/1/5/5/89204.jpg)
Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
There are a lot of small audio companies all over the world that make their products in a similar fashion. A few, off the top of my head, here in the US include Dodd, Odyssey and the current Carver.
As for the Bhulley Boy Audio gear, I see nothing they make that requires a clean room and by the looks of the parts they produce, are doing just fine without a CNC.Political Correctness'.........defined
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There are a lot of small audio companies all over the world that make their products in a similar fashion. A few, off the top of my head, here in the US include Dodd, Odyssey and the current Carver.
If Dodd, Odyssey, and Carver starts to claim they wind their own foil capacitors and producing the silver foils, making their own POT, I would question their quality control and the precision and manufacturing techniques just the same.
It's not about the company or who makes it and why, it's about the quality control and precision requiring manufacturing of some parts.
Yes, you can made some parts with hands very precisely with practice but measuring the finished product is equally important.As for the Bhulley Boy Audio gear, I see nothing they make that requires a clean room and by the looks of the parts they produce, are doing just fine without a CNC.
This is probably a personal preference but I choose to trust a CNC for making some parts than the human hands.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
If Dodd, Odyssey, and Carver starts to claim they wind their own foil capacitors and producing the silver foils, making their own POT, I would question their quality control and the precision and manufacturing techniques just the same.
I guess you better question Dueland then as their caps are completely hand made.It's not about the company or who makes it and why, it's about the quality control and precision requiring manufacturing of some parts.
I work on furniture, hand made antiques, machine made new and everything in between. The quality and precision of the hand made stuff is amazing and has stood the test of time. I cannot say the same about machine made stuff.Yes, you can made some parts with hands very precisely with practice but measuring the finished product is equally important.
Since there is really no mention of what and how they measure their products, one can only guess. Perhaps they just use their ears, which is still the best method.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I guess you better question Dueland then as their caps are completely hand made.
I DO! In fact, I had contacted them and asked in the past since they have such a BIG FAT price tag! By all means, Duelund made by hand doesn't mean they make the best cap in the world or they pull their own Cast foils in the same method like these folks in the topic do or use the same silver or copper; etc.
Whenever I see a bit extravagant claim, I question about the materials, the techniques, the process, the tools (in manufacturing process and measuring afterwards), and lastly the people and idea behind them!I work on furniture, hand made antiques, machine made new and everything in between. The quality and precision of the hand made stuff is amazing and has stood the test of time. I cannot say the same about machine made stuff.
It's simple and real easy. What it seems like precise to you doesn't mean it's quite as precise to others. If you can't see a crooked corner in a table, it doesn't mean it's not there. It depends on who looked at it!
But again, a high end furniture made by hands is more of an art than a piece of furniture. People spend years making one and no one is there to look at every corner and every color of it on daily basics.
I do appreciates a great crasftmanship whenever I see one but a piece of furniture I bought is to be meant as a furniture. I am not there to criticize the precision and the skills and the lack of it on a daily basics.
On the contrary, making the finest audio by hand is an Art that you'll listen to it critically everyday! And every components and their quality matters if you start making everything by Hands.Since there is really no mention of what and how they measure their products, one can only guess. Perhaps they just use their ears, which is still the best method.
I trust my ears and this is a good point. But normally, men above 50yrs old become more or less prone to the hearing degradations?Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Found some interesting links and video about them.
http://sanjannagar.org/bhulley-audio-system/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/multimedia/2011/10/111021_sanjan_nagar_zs.shtml
Their efforts and dedications are very commendable and admirable but some part makings are just better left to the machines and some other experts in the fields.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
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Their efforts and dedications are very commendable and admirable but some part makings are just better left to the machines and some other experts in the fields.
So, what parts do you feel would be better left to the machines? Same again, what other experts?Political Correctness'.........defined
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One of the worst problem of being all hand made (or mostly hand made in their case) is that the difficulty in obtaining consistency in quality control of the finished product.
Tell that to Ferrari, Aston Martin or Bugatti. Yes, no two Aston's are *exactly* the same but they and the other manufacturer's I mentioned have ZERO issues with consistency and quality control of the finished product. Ferrari has it's own foundry to forge parts for the hand assembled engines. Your statement doesn't hold water. Shody is shody, whether it's hand made or machine made.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
It's audio, so the only thing that matters is the sound. I think the debate on precision is as megasat commented precision is somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Exactly how much precision is needed for what they are producing? The same as what is needed in aerospace? The same needed in performance autos? I think a great deal of precision is capable in a hand made environment. I did not see anything about how much they reject by what ever means of quality measuring they are doing. Also nothing about labor hours to produce. I think that would be the biggest gain in more automated and precise modern equipment. Faster more repeatable with less scrap. But if they do not need to be concerned about that to make money, I don't see any reason why they can't produce good quality. It just might not be as cost effective as what we are accustomed to. So it comes back to the ears, if the sound quality/cost is there who cares.
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So, what parts do you feel would be better left to the machines? Same again, what other experts?
Like POTs, Knobs, Switches to be made with machines? Hand Wound caps and boutique POTs to the ones that specialize in the field such as Duelund and Goldpoint? And the connectors to someone like Cardas?
No one makes everything perfect. But one can make one part perfectly with practice and dedications?Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Tell that to Ferrari, Aston Martin or Bugatti. Yes, no two Aston's are *exactly* the same but they and the other manufacturer's I mentioned have ZERO issues with consistency and quality control of the finished product. Ferrari has it's own foundry to forge parts for the hand assembled engines. Your statement doesn't hold water. Shody is shody, whether it's hand made or machine made.
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Brock,
There is a very clear distinction between Hand Assembling Machine made parts and Hand Made Parts! Read more before you give apple to apple comparison?
If they do have the manufacturing capability and R&D of that like in the auto companies you mentioned, there is no need for me to say anything about the toolings, measuring and precision requirements, etc! Do I?Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Tell that to Ferrari, Aston Martin or Bugatti. Yes, no two Aston's are *exactly* the same but they and the other manufacturer's I mentioned have ZERO issues with consistency and quality control of the finished product. Ferrari has it's own foundry to forge parts for the hand assembled engines. Your statement doesn't hold water. Shody is shody, whether it's hand made or machine made.
There is a big difference between being hand made, and hand assembled.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Like POTs, Knobs, Switches to be made with machines? Hand Wound caps and boutique POTs to the ones that specialize in the field such as Duelund and Goldpoint? And the connectors to someone like Cardas?
No one makes everything perfect. But one can make one part perfectly with practice and dedications?
You should read your link again. I'll highlight the pertinent parts.Since 1995, a team of 25 committed craftsmen at the Audio Engineering department of Sanjannagar Institute, have been continuously working to design and construct a range of high-end audio reproduction and monitoring equipment—Power Amplifiers, Pre-Amplifiers and Speakers. During this time, the department has invented designs and technologies that are a radical departure from the existing amplifier and speaker design concepts and construction methods. All the components (except for vacuum tubes, resistors and diodes) of our systems are designed and made through our indigenously developed machines and techniques.
I'd say they are experts, after all they've been at it for 19 years. Hell, they even make their own machines.This task has involved translating the understanding of the elements of musical sound such as timbres, resonances, body (in sound), harmonics, etc., and how they are put together to produce musicality in musical sound into the science and engineering of audio amplifier, and speaker systems. Thus, continuous work has been and is taking place in philosophizing, theorizing and developing new concepts and then testing them experimentally in the design and construction of these systems.
I'd say these guys know WTF they are doing.On an average each component has gone through more than a dozen prototypes before being finalized.
Read that again. EACH component, at least a dozen prototypes and you still think they are hacks?Political Correctness'.........defined
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There is a big difference between being hand made, and hand assembled.
Which of what I mentioned isn't handmade? Granted it's not 100% in every single part of the car, but body panels are hand pounded and shaped. Ferrari forging it's own engine parts is handmade. Leather seats and dashes are handmade I realize they don't raise the cows and slaughter them and process the leather, but the wood in the audio gear mentioned here isn't grown and processed by the audio manufacturer either.
For all intents and purposes what I mentioned is considered "handmade"
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You should read your link again. I'll highlight the pertinent parts.
I'd say they are experts, after all they've been at it for 19 years. Hell, they even make their own machines.
I'd say these guys know WTF they are doing.
Read that again. EACH component, at least a dozen prototypes and you still think they are hacks?
I did read my own links and watched the video! Yes, it even needs to be asked a bigger question.
Where the hell have they been hiding in the past 19 years? I have not heard of them till you mentioned it today.
It doesn't matter if you made 1000 prototypes for the last 19 years or the past 100 years, it only matters if you can repeat the same product within 1% accuracy for the next 100 copies if you made with hands!
Yes, I can see they make some jigs and some tooling. They also have a milling machine. So, I guess to call something hand made is not pure in it's own sense if it's not 100% if one really wants to argue?Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
I like this part from the web-site.This whole project was started 16 years ago as a tool in the pursuit of excellence in the making, recording and reproduction of a rediscovery of South Asian Classical music without any extraneous considerations. Unfortunately in the prevailing circumstances our end product is not of much use locally. Therefore we hope to share it with music lovers abroad if it meets with their approval.
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Which of what I mentioned isn't handmade? Granted it's not 100% in every single part of the car, but body panels are hand pounded and shaped. Ferrari forging it's own engine parts is handmade. Leather seats and dashes are handmade I realize they don't raise the cows and slaughter them and process the leather, but the wood in the audio gear mentioned here isn't grown and processed by the audio manufacturer either.
For all intents and purposes what I mentioned is considered "handmade"
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They are called Hand Built! For sure, some parts are handmade like leather seats and trims and some mechanical parts. But how about the wires, the brakes, and the mirrors, are they hand made too?
Someone's turning a lot of milling machine?
Most parts are machine made and the cars are hand built and hand assembled.
For the most important part, the design is not hand drawn on a paper! It's drawn with CAD on a computer with a stylus pen.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
According to your very narrow definition nothing is handmade.
Do you call a scarf that is handmade, hand assembled, because the maker didn't buy the sheep, feed the sheep with hand caught food, shave the sheep, process the wool, make the dyes, pull the strands and then use their hands to make it? It sounds quite ridiculous. And your argument is idiotic.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
For the most important part, the design is not hand drawn on a paper! It's drawn with CAD on a computer with a stylus pen.
The gentleman that designed the most successful cars in F1 for many years now does not use a CAD program. No, he designs them on paper by his own hand!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
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According to your very narrow definition nothing is handmade.
Do you call a scarf that is handmade, hand assembled, because the maker didn't buy the sheep, feed the sheep with hand caught food, shave the sheep, process the wool, make the dyes, pull the strands and then use their hands to make it? It sounds quite ridiculous. And your argument is idiotic.
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LOL....
Come on...you really don't know a difference between a handmade (hand stitch or sewn) scarf or machine sewn or woven scarf?
There is a very clear definition and I don't make those definitions. They were taught to me when I went to school as a 4th grader.
There were never a hand built scarf by definition?Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
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