Bhulley Boy Audio all handmade in Pakistan
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The gentleman that designed the most successful cars in F1 for many years now does not use a CAD program. No, he designs them on paper by his own hand!!!
All I can say is that his brain and imaginations certainly preceeds that of the speed of the super computer processing power. May be he can do the 3D rendering faster than that of a CAD program. Who knows?
But this is a very rare kind.
By the way, I wonder does he know how much of an inch to cut for the bolts between the body and the Engine mount and written down the exact length on the paper design at the same time?
And now, we are no longer talking about Bhulley but F1?Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
You're the one that brought up the need for designing things with a CAD program. Obviously, that's not the case. Neither is the need for a clean room, CNC machine, etc., etc.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Scarf, 15" woofer, Ferrari, same thing...wtf Brock?
Jesse, most speakers are designed with software, measured with a microphone, then fine tuned by ear. Those that aren't sound like Wilsons...
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
then fine tuned by ear.
That's what I said.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Really impressive looking stuff and manufacturing facility! I doubt that those pics show the entire manufacturing process; there are probably more manufacturing processes going on (e.g. testing/QC) than the link shows as I'm sure they don't want to reveal trade secrets.
I'd love to hear any of it. Thanks for posting Jesse."Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer -
Man...you guys sure excel at splitting hairs. Someone already stated, it's how it sounds that counts, and I agree.
As far as the car analogy....the only thing I'll say there is we built a heck of a lot of stuff before CNC machines and hospital clean rooms. Stuff that lasted a lot longer too.HT SYSTEM-
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Everything at the Sanjan Nagar is made in-house (well except for the resistors) like the RCA connector above thats made out of solid silver and then gold plated -
Everything at the Sanjan Nagar is made in-house (well except for the resistors) like the RCA connector above that’s made out of solid silver and then gold plated…
Why on earth would you plate those in gold if it is solid silver? Gold is less conductive than silver? -
I agree and greatly prefer silver, but maybe so the contacts don't oxidize? I know my silver RCA plugs have to be polished periodically to remove the oxidation.
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You don't need to polish the silver as oxidized silver conducts just as well as clean silver does.Political Correctness'.........defined
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You're the one that brought up the need for designing things with a CAD program. Obviously, that's not the case. Neither is the need for a clean room, CNC machine, etc., etc.
Ok. It was my bad I brought up CAD. Before you know it, people will start making their own parts under the coconut tree on a beach. Some part making process requires very clean room regardless of what you think.
Have you been seeing a ghost in the machine lately? You sound like machines has offended you in one way or the other.
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So is the main argument here that people without "clean rooms" in the third world could not possibly make quality High Tech gear, especially if they do not use computer-aided modelling and programming? Because I don't want to actually say what that sounds like, but it does NOT sound "good".
I suppose the opposite side of the coin would be that just about EVERY speaker manufacturer has touted their computer assisted technology in modeling their products since the '90s, even some pretty $hitty sounding speakers. I can't think of any company we see in the U.S. that does not brag about how Hi-Tech their process is, can you. And yet...?
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You don't need to polish the silver as oxidized silver conducts just as well as clean silver does.
Good to know and thanks Jesse! I knew I liked those silver terminations! -
So is the main argument here that people without "clean rooms" in the third world could not possibly make quality High Tech gear, especially if they do not use computer-aided modelling and programming? Because I don't want to actually say what that sounds like, but it does NOT sound "good".
cnh
It seems you missed the Theme of the arguments. Read it from the beginning again? This is about some parts are OK to be hand made in house with limited tools and skills but not every parts. Some parts are better made by the assistance of machines, and requires the knowledge and tools again to properly measure and test the finished products. And some electronics parts manufacturing require CLEAN ROOM for quality control.
It's OK for making chassis and connectors but some electronics components require clean room and clean environment for manufacturing and assembly (even if it's done by hands).
For e.g. The making of silver foils by hands without wearing gloves?
Edit : Regardless of where it's been manufactured (3rd world or here in the U.S), you need proper working environment for making electronics parts. A lot of electronics parts are manufactured in 3rd world country but in a properly set manufacturing facilities.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
So is the main argument here that people without "clean rooms" in the third world could not possibly make quality High Tech gear, especially if they do not use computer-aided modelling and programming? Because I don't want to actually say what that sounds like, but it does NOT sound "good".
Of course they can, for prototypes, just like any other company. However, if they go into production then they will need a reliable source of quality components, just like any other company. Of course, being in Pakistan they will not have to deal with those pesky laws requiring some type of safety regulations, environmental hazards, child labor, or any of that other nonsense.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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These aren't obviously high production pieces, more so made to order or very limited production. I see nothing wrong with it, nor do I see any child labor laws being broken. Can you say that about Apple, Nike ? We soak up those products like a sponge.
Look, this is one small, very small hand made limited production company doing business in a foreign country. So frickin' what. Need I remind everyone here about other huge companies today that started out in the same fashion ? You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill.HT SYSTEM-
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And he's doing the hard way. Learn CAD- drop it in the CNC machine- and presto!The gentleman that designed the most successful cars in F1 for many years now does not use a CAD program. No, he designs them on paper by his own hand!!!
Wanna make an adjustment? A couple of minutes later- download it, and
there it is. You can hand draw prints and turn a machinist loose on it, but
once you go CAD, well, you know."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Perhaps some are forgetting that there are still very experienced and talented folks that helped make the world what it is today with nothing more than a mechanical pencil and drafting table? I mean...I am not knocking CAD and CNC by any means. Just sayin'....it can still be done. But maybe I am missing the point of this argument.
Anyone heard from PFB lately btw?? Hope he's alright. Seems he ain't tore up nothing lately...--Gary--
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In some ways this debate is moot because, if I am correct, no one has heard any of this equipment. And wouldn't we have to, at least DO THAT, before we can dismiss it? Seems only fair.
I understand the objections that are being made. But when I think of old '50s and '60s tube amp gear, doesn't some of that sound fine and yet not fit into the requirements asked for above?
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Look, this is one small, very small hand made limited production company doing business in a foreign country. So frickin' what. Need I remind everyone here about other huge companies today that started out in the same fashion ? You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Ed Zachery!
Funny how some focus on how and where this gear is built while others focus on what has been accomplished.
BTW, the price for a system consisting of a pre amp, mono block amps and a pair of speakers is 2 million.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Man.....if I spend 2 mill.....that sheit better had been made in a clean room! Jus' sayin'....... lol--Gary--
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BTW, the price for a system consisting of a pre amp, mono block amps and a pair of speakers is 2 million.
All it needs is a Coconut Audio power cord, another hand-made product by an audio startup.
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The point isn't where it's made, or even how it sounds. When that crappy homemade cap blows
are you going to send it back to Pakistan to get it replaced??? I bought some early on cheap gear from china years ago.
It was cheap. And it didn't last. I'd rather DIY with a set of boards using GOOD quality parts.
There are some things that are better hand made. And some that aren't. Feel free to buy one with your money."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Rupee's or dollars, holy crap, the labor costs in India must be going through the roof!Home Theater
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All it needs is a Coconut Audio power cord, another hand-made product by an audio startup.
For 2 mil of whatever currency they are asking, I am sure they will throw in plum tree hand made power cords for each monbloc and the preamp. I hope the interconnects are MIT though. Otherwise, F1 won't order a set!Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
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I'm ashamed to be here with some of you.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I have a question. The second pic from the bottom says: "Dont ask how much the kit costs....."
Is this packaged and sold as a kit, or is the writer using the word "kit" as in system? -
Instead of calling it gear, most of the rest of the world calls it kit.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I think I saw that system once on Gilligans Island.Vinyl, the final frontier...
Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want...
