Torn between 2 amps ...

brianle
brianle Posts: 572
edited February 2014 in 2 Channel Audio
Would you go for an Ayon Triton II integrated or a pair of Rogue m180? Both are used and the Ayon is about $1k more ...
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited January 2014
    I saw a Ayon Triton III I think the other day, wow :) if looks could kill...it went on my wish list!
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited January 2014
    yeah ... for look, the ayon is a winner over the Rogue any time :)
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited January 2014
    yeah ... for look, the ayon is a winner over the Rogue any time :)

    The reviews and awards too.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2014
    I've spent a fair amount of time with the Triton in a friend's rig, it sounds very nice.
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,497
    edited January 2014
    That Ayon Triton II is a beaut!

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 1,394
    edited January 2014
    That's a great dilemma to have!
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  • stretchl
    stretchl Posts: 1,334
    edited January 2014
    Lovin both of them is breakin all the rules...
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited January 2014
    ayon. http://www.stereomojo.com/Ayon%20Triton%20Integarted%20Amp%20Review/AyonTritonIntegratedTubeAmpReview.htm
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  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited January 2014
    I've never experienced a Ayon yet but going from the reviews, people like it. As for Rogue, I've always liked their preamps/amps. All single ended designs, made in the USA, great CS and Mark has always answered my questions via Email promptly. However, they never sounded excessively tubey with a very bloomy midrange, more along the lines of a solid state amp, IMO. Not sure Ayon is a tube amp in the same vein.
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited January 2014
    I am a Rogue owner but if you have the extra 1K for Ayon, I would go with Ayon.
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited January 2014
    Dynaudio c1 signature
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited January 2014
    Thx , zero
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited January 2014
    megasat16 wrote: »
    I am a Rogue owner but if you have the extra 1K for Ayon, I would go with Ayon.

    Thx!
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited January 2014
    aboroth00 wrote: »
    I've never experienced a Ayon yet but going from the reviews, people like it. As for Rogue, I've always liked their preamps/amps. All single ended designs, made in the USA, great CS and Mark has always answered my questions via Email promptly. However, they never sounded excessively tubey with a very bloomy midrange, more along the lines of a solid state amp, IMO. Not sure Ayon is a tube amp in the same vein.

    Thx!
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited January 2014
    brianle wrote: »
    Dynaudio c1 signature

    I don't know much about either, but I do know about my C1 Sigs. They are one of the most enigmatic speaker s I have owned. They are power hungry buggers. When I purchased them I thought I could run them my on my Pass XA30.5 which is 30-8ohm 60-4ohm rated class A, and up to 180watt A/B. I am one to usually look past excessive watt to run a speaker, but these are the truly power hungry speakers. Straight up the Pass was not enough and them sound horrible.

    I run them beautifully on my Modwright Integrated. They are not a genre specific speaker and are very well rounded great sounding speakers.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,963
    edited January 2014
    Ayon brother. Please take note of the tubes various users use. Actually, they come with some nice frickin' tubes anyway but you know how it goes when tailoring to your own sound.

    Rogue....wouldn't kick it off the couch either. Nice gear, excellent sound. Question here is, is the price difference worth it to you for minimal gains ? Just make sure the rest of the system is up to snuff to be able to realize what either of those bad boys are capable of. That Ayon is a beautiful piece of work for sure.
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited January 2014
    Well, the Rogue has been sold due to the seller couldn't wait for my decision lol
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited January 2014
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    That Ayon Triton II is a beaut!

    DSC_0114.jpg

    I'd like to hear that. Of course, in addition, to the astronomical price, you'd have to eventually replace a lot of tubes there. lol

    Not sure what I think of the appearance though, kind of reminds me of a spaceship panel from a 1950s Sci-fi film. Most likely a Soviet era film like:

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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited January 2014
    brianle wrote: »
    Well, the Rogue has been sold due to the seller couldn't wait for my decision lol

    Looks like it's Ayon time!!!!
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited January 2014
    The Ayon would have the better quality to the tone me thinks but for 1k more it would be nice to get them both side by side.
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited January 2014
    but no meter! where the roque is easier to set. but for most here they'd enjoy the challenge, but for me its KISS (keep it simply for stupid) :)
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited January 2014
    The Triton is auto bias
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited January 2014
    Brian in all honesty I don't think the Ayon is the direction you want to go with the Dyn's. The Ayon is wonderful integrated but I feel you are going to be lacking and sounding a little thin.
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  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited January 2014
    I don't know a friggin thing about tube amplifiers but that is one unbelievably beautiful looking amplifier. The reviewer said it bested most brands he tested and it's price point was not that expensive. He was also surprised it was made in Austria and not China. Being not from the tube world the self bias thing would bother me for sure. The 2 different modes are a great asset. if you have the coin and know what to do with that amp I would get it. Even a metal remote so it doesn't change inputs,your lucky to have a remote w/ a tube amp anyway. I don't think I ever saw so much chrome on a piece of audio gear ever, a 56 Mercury maybe but that amp is hypnotic.
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited January 2014
    Zero wrote: »
    Leftwinger - The reviewer was mistaken. Ayon gear is made in China, not Austria.

    I think I now have 2nd thought about Ayon
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,963
    edited January 2014
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    Brian in all honesty I don't think the Ayon is the direction you want to go with the Dyn's. The Ayon is wonderful integrated but I feel you are going to be lacking and sounding a little thin.

    Ya know...reading some reviews that's exactly what some users have said. But also saying that rolling the tubes had profound effects. Given the speakers being mated with it, you may have a valid point however.

    I would imagine with the Dyns, a tad more tube bloom would be desirable. That's just me though. Seems you may want to give Wolcott a look see in that price range too. I know Ted has them and we haven't seen him since. Well, maybe a few times when he decides to come out of the wood shed to take a crap. Who knows, maybe he'll like the Ayon. Tubes for that sucker aren't cheap though.
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited January 2014
    Just heard my friend's setup c4 + pass x250 + ee minimax preamp and I was very impressed. Maybe I should consider the Pass X250 or X250.5 too ...
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited January 2014
    tonyb wrote: »
    Ya know...reading some reviews that's exactly what some users have said. But also saying that rolling the tubes had profound effects. Given the speakers being mated with it, you may have a valid point however.I would imagine with the Dyns, a tad more tube bloom would be desirable.

    I would love to demo Dyn's w/that Ayon, but just wouldn't do it w/o getting my ears on them first. That's a lot of coin to be disappointed. I know because I had to drop more money down on my C1's to get what I was expecting.
    I originally had heard the Contour S1.4 on a pair of Prima Luna mono blocks @50 watts in an 8x8 room and told myself I would own a pair of Dyn's. So a couple years later stepped up to the plate I found a good deal on the C1's. When I got them I didn't get the same performance till I put some power behind them and now I wouldn't trade them for the world.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,802
    edited January 2014
    this thread's title caused an awful '70s hit to get jammed into my brain... the least I could do is return the favor.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited January 2014
    brianle wrote: »
    I think I now have 2nd thought about Ayon

    They are not made in China. They use some parts sourced from China. They also use German parts, but the gear is built in-house in Austria. Besides, not every piece of gear made/built in China is second rate.
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