CDP or transport

acmf74
acmf74 Posts: 936
edited December 2013 in Electronics
Currently I'm running a Jolida JD100 CDP into a DAC. Would there be any benefits to going to a stand alone transport?

Thanks,
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited December 2013
    Why are you running the Jolida into a DAC?
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  • acmf74
    acmf74 Posts: 936
    edited December 2013
    I recently just bought the DAC and the Jolida is my only source.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2013
    So you are saying the external DAC sounds better than the internal Jolida DAC?
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited December 2013
    The tube driven output of the Jolida CDP is kind of like having an adjustable DAC.
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited December 2013
    BlueFox wrote: »
    So you are saying the external DAC sounds better than the internal Jolida DAC?

    This is very easy to test, especially if your pre has a remote:

    - Jolida > Analog Out > Preamp Input 1
    - Jolida > Digital out > External DAC > Preamp Input 2

    Now sit in the sweet spot, play a track, and switch between inputs on the pre with the remote.
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  • acmf74
    acmf74 Posts: 936
    edited December 2013
    I need to listen to it more to decide.

    The reason for the DAC is I want to hook my PC up to it.

    Also is there a benefit to having a dedicated transport over a CDP?
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited December 2013
    That JD100 is no slouch but only your ears can tell.

    They have discontinued that JD100, there are a few floating around.....but I purchased the FX DAC 2 and a Marantz 5004 as a transport last week which has nice reviews on the combo

    Have fun
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited December 2013
    acmf74 wrote: »
    I recently just bought the DAC and the Jolida is my only source.

    If you are still using the stock tubes, which are sub-par at best, you need to roll in some better ones. Also, upgrade the power cord, it makes a huge difference.

    FYI, using the digital out bypasses the tube output.
    The reason for the DAC is I want to hook my PC up to it.

    Ugh! You've already got a damn good CDP.
    Also is there a benefit to having a dedicated transport over a CDP?

    Depends and there's a lot of variables there.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited December 2013
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    They have discontinued that JD100

    They have?

    Still listed on their site, http://www.jolida.com/product/tubecomponents/jd100a
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited December 2013
    Yes Sir, what people have on their shelf is it.

    Rooster and I put together a cost effective demo rig with Jolida, using a 801 integrated and wanted to use the JD100. Jolida's website needs to be updated the 801's new part number is wrong too, should be 801BRC.

    Came across a couple reviews using the FX DAC/5004CDP combo suppose to be as good as the JD100. Wanted to grab your modded but to late.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited December 2013
    Ok, I did a little looking and you're right it's been replaced with the Fusion DAC/Transport.

    Review with pics, http://www.hifiwigwam.com/jolida-fusion-dac-transport-cd-player/

    I love this comment (I put in the bold),
    It does have a little warmth to the sound and those fascinated by measurements are unlikely to enjoy it’s slightly fruity sound (but then, those that spend their lives measuring kit rarely buy hifi anyway).
    So effing true!!!

    Somehow it looks cheaper than the JD100 and WOW, have they raised the price, $2299.00 compared to $900.00.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited December 2013
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    Wanted to grab your modded but to late.

    Just shipped it today to its new owner.......shed a tear as I walked away.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited December 2013
    Regarding the Transport verses DAC and which is "better", I used a Denon DVD-5910 as a transport, a Denon DCD-3000 (no slouch as a player with DACs in it BTW) as a transport more recently. I then bought a Theta Jade and it blew both of them out of the water. The Theta Jade is phenominal as a transport! It is, however the only transport I have used so I have no basis of comparison to other transports, but it destroyed all the CD players I was using as a transport. Particularly the bass was significantly better.

    As Jesse eluded to, one cannot absolutely say a transport will destroy a CD player (or the other way around). I will say that in general, a transport will be better. But, not ALL transports will be better than your Jolida. There are simply too many factors invloved to make a blanket statement. You asked about benefits of a dedicated transport? One *could be that since there are no DACs (including no extra capacitors, diodes, regulators, etc..) then you could get a lower noise floor and more transparency and detail than a CDP*. Again, this is not a gurantee however. Hope that helps.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited December 2013
    LOL, ....Fruity...must have been some Boy George CD
    F1nut wrote: »
    Somehow it looks cheaper than the JD100 and WOW, have they raised the price, $2299.00 compared to $900.00.

    That Fusion DAC wasn't even mentioned while calling around.

    Yeah, like I said a budget system....by the time Russ and I were done pulling strings, the FX DAC/5004CDP combo was $590 delivered BNIB.....minus the $3000 cables....JK
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited December 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    Just shipped it today to its new owner.......shed a tear as I walked away.

    I bet....you'll find a new puppy ;)
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  • acmf74
    acmf74 Posts: 936
    edited December 2013
    I upgraded the tubes to Psvanes and PC to a Pangea. Both upgrades significantly increased the sound quality over stock.

    Like always I like to try out new products to see if I can improve on sound. I like to ask this forum because of the great suggestions.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited December 2013
    Get that JD100 modded and take it up another notch

    Happy listening
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  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited December 2013
    Usually a DAC has much more impact than the sound of your system than the actual transport does. For most of our systems probably save the very high end stuff like Esoteric, most CD players are very competent transports and will sound very similar. After all it's just reading 1's and 0's and passing it downstream. However, a DAC which handles all the data and spits out the true analog signal, it can augment that signal differently. You can sure search for a DAC that'll mesh with your system better than others. Again with the synergy! If your DAC is bass heavy and the rest of your equipment is bass heavy, then you'll probably get a lot of bass!

    As far as the competency of transports vs. regular Cd players, I don't think I can really speak for that. I have never owned a CD player which costs more than 1k. But usually CDP's and DAC's if they're competent are last on my list to worry about.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited December 2013
    acmf74 wrote: »
    I upgraded the tubes to Psvanes and PC to a Pangea. Both upgrades significantly increased the sound quality over stock.

    How is the sound now that you're running it into the DAC?
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  • F1nut
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    edited December 2013
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    I bet....you'll find a new puppy ;)

    Thanks......we'll see.
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  • Obsession18
    Obsession18 Posts: 191
    edited December 2013
    acmf74 have you tried comparing the Jolida's tube DAC to the external DAC as suggested by falconcry72? I'd really be interested in that outcome, I am using the same CD player with Psvanes tubes and am quite happy with the sound, comes pretty close to what I get out of my analog rig. If the external DAC is strickly solid state I'm thinking the sound would be bit more harsh then the smooth sound of the Psvanes in the JD-100.
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited December 2013
    Why o why didn't they make the new combo dsd or sacd!
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited December 2013
    Instead of a Fusion just try and find a Jolida JD-200, basically the same internal architecture and same tube configuration (6 tubes) but retains the Philips Drive. Still reasonably priced. I'm sure you can still find some under 1K?

    I like my MV unit which is a 4 tuber. And had an MSRP of 1400, but was readily available for under 1K. Very "smooth", musical and NEVER harsh!

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited December 2013
    Why o why didn't they make the new combo dsd or sacd!

    I asked Michael Allen that years ago, said something about it being dead and why bother. Oh how wrong you can be.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited December 2013
    Back in the day, we used transports for basically 2 reasons. One being it has it's own power supply, second for better jitter reduction. Back then most gear didn't concern itself too much with jitter. Today most decent gear does, at least in the audible ranges. Aside from putting the transport on it's own power supply, I see no reason to search one out today. Any of your better cdp's will be pretty good at reducing jitter.
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  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited December 2013
    tonyb wrote: »
    Back in the day, we used transports for basically 2 reasons. One being it has it's own power supply, second for better jitter reduction. Back then most gear didn't concern itself too much with jitter. Today most decent gear does, at least in the audible ranges. Aside from putting the transport on it's own power supply, I see no reason to search one out today. Any of your better cdp's will be pretty good at reducing jitter.

    Absolutely agree. Maybe one day I'll be rich enough to Esoteric gear and say otherwise...
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2013
    In addition to considering a transport, a music server is the same thing, but much more powerful. Most likely, your DAC can play various file sampling rates in addition to the 44/16 used by a CD. A music server will allow you to play these files, while with a CD player you are limited to the low end. At this point, I only use my CD player to audition CDs to determine if they are good enough to be ripped to the server, or to listen to the occasional SACD.
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited December 2013
    erniejade wrote: »
    Why o why didn't they make the new combo dsd or sacd!
    Because it's an old average at best format.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited December 2013
    ftgv wrote: »
    because it's an old average at best format.

    lol..........
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited December 2013
    FTGV wrote: »
    Because it's an old average at best format.

    Fred, which digital format would you consider "above average"?
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