Which sda do u want or prefer? & why

boston1450
boston1450 Posts: 7,639
edited January 2014 in Vintage Speakers
Just wondering what SDA's you want or prefer ? If you have some or not. And why..Dont hesitate to review your present model.
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I want a pair of CRS's on stands. Ive never heard them but WOW they catch my attension every time i see them. They are so SEXY. OH id love to hear some - maybe someday :)
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited October 2013
    I have a pair of CRS+s Randy. If and when you pay a visit, you can listen to them.
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,639
    edited October 2013
    I will do that :) i look forward to it too
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  • zane77
    zane77 Posts: 1,696
    edited October 2013
    I've got a pair of 2.3's that I was able to pick up locally for $600. This was before I had ever even seen or heard any of the SDA's. The speakers are in absolutely mint condition and I am in the process of getting all of the mod's completed to them. My quandary right now is weather to upgrade them to TL's or not. I've performed all of the mod's except the crossover and speaker changes which are going to cost a bit more if I do decide to go the TL route. The speakers so far have been fantastic and my 2 channel listening has really gone up in time listening, quality and enjoyment. I can' wait it to get all of the rest of the mod's completed and then start upgrading some of my other components in my 2 channel system
    Home Theater
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    Sony BDP-S790 Dishnetwork Hopper/Joey Logitech Harmony One Apple TV
    Two Channel
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited October 2013
    2.3TL's here; they're the only SDA's I've owned/spent time with. I've done all the mods (see sig.) and I must say I have no desire to replace them. Totally engaging, detailed, smooth, I feel like I hear the emotional intent the performers are trying to communicate. There are probably better speakers out there, but not for what I have in these.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
  • Schurkey
    Schurkey Posts: 2,101
    edited October 2013
    I'm sonically pleased with my 1Bs, but the inability to use non-common-ground amps is frustrating.

    I'd just love to upgrade to SRS 2 pin/blade, 2.3/2.3TL, or (maybe) 1Cs.

    Had some 2.3 and SRS 2 deals "in the works" until the sellers reneged at the last moment...or admitted that they were too stupid to pull Craigslist advertisements.
  • motorstereo
    motorstereo Posts: 2,133
    edited October 2013
    Sold my crs's and 2.3s once my 1.2tl's arrived. I only have room to properly set up one pair of sda's. If sda's are just plopped into place they don't sound much different than any other nice sounding speaker.
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited October 2013
    Love my SRS 2 speakers as they have the awesome combination of being one of the most rare SDAs, a great size (large but not huge), the SRS (side by side) driver configuration including 15" passive radiator, and I think they just look balanced and fantastic. Plus, mine came in almost perfect condition with original paperwork... :)
  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited October 2013
    The only SDA experience is w/ the 87' 2Bs that I got for $50 at a moving sale that were also in sonically mint condition came w/ the i/c cable and the only cosmetic issue was the water stains on the White Oak wood tops. That was remedied w/ wood bleach, walnut stain, and 4 coats of clear poly.Tech mods in progress, replaced poly switches w/ 0.5 mills, Dynamat Extreme all basket spars, Liquid Nailed cabinet seams, Black Hole-5 behind mids and waiting on the 194s.
    2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E

    H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-

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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited October 2013
    I would say that the sweet spot for the average sized room would be SDA 1Cs. But then again, if you have some 2B TLed that might be the way to go. If you have the room the BIG BOYS will do you.

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

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  • Easy Runnin
    Easy Runnin Posts: 501
    edited October 2013
    Really, 1Cs over 2Bs. I thought the single tweeters were preferred over the dual tweets.
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    Polk SDA1C, Polk Monitor 7, New Large Advents and Polk RTA 8T
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,416
    edited October 2013
    I have owned mil-spec 2b's, 1c's, 2.3TL's and a few pairs of 1.2TL's. I keep coming back to the big girls because despite their size, they are the most "invisible" speakers I have yet heard. Now that all the mods are done on these, they can do just about everything from relaxed, low volume chamber music, all the way to placing you in the front row of a Van Halen concert without so much as cracking a sweat.

    There is no replacement for displacement.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2013
    Really, 1Cs over 2Bs. I thought the single tweeters were preferred over the dual tweets.

    Nope, just the side by side two tweeter models. The vertical arrangement is called a progressive point source and is preferred by most.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2013
    You probably ought to hear some SDA's before making your choice. Anyone can just pick the biggest most expensive and say "those are the ones". I guarantee, if you don't put those in a proper listening space or with the right gear, they will suck.

    The CRS's will surprise you, you won't believe what you are listening to, again properly set-up and proper gear.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,416
    edited October 2013
    nbrowser wrote: »
    Title of the thread says "Which sda do u want or prefer? & why"...I just want, Wants are quite different from "need" or "requirement" :)

    H9 is right. Just get your ears on some and your perceptions will change, along with wants becoming needs.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • drumiv
    drumiv Posts: 171
    edited October 2013
    I prefer the ones I got!('85 SRS's) I've owned them for 2 months or so, and the love affair continues. Just put the new 194's in; not sure what I expected, but change was not dramatic. All good, though.
  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited October 2013
    drumiv wrote: »
    I prefer the ones I got!('85 SRS's) I've owned them for 2 months or so, and the love affair continues. Just put the new 194's in; not sure what I expected, but change was not dramatic. All good, though.
    You might not be as sensitive to the rather nasty resonance spike the SL2000s have, plus the 194s need some break-in time.
    Rebuilding the crossovers will make those 194s sing.
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited October 2013
    heiney9 wrote: »
    You probably ought to hear some SDA's before making your choice. Anyone can just pick the biggest most expensive and say "those are the ones". I guarantee, if you don't put those in a proper listening space or with the right gear, they will suck.

    The CRS's will surprise you, you won't believe what you are listening to, again properly set-up and proper gear.
    Agreed. after rebuilding both my 2As and CRS+s, both will fill my rather modest size living room/home theater to deafening levels.
    Whether I'm listening to Enya to relax, Nickleback to not relax, or the latest 7.1 blockbuster, these smaller SDAs handle it with ease.
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

    dhsspeakerservice.com/
  • drumiv
    drumiv Posts: 171
    edited October 2013
    WMG, you're probably right about the hearing sensitivity, my ears are abused daily. I figured as much about the break-in for the tweeters. Guess I'll just have to keep playing them. Not now though, time to go to work(I need money for XO's).
  • TennMan
    TennMan Posts: 1,266
    edited October 2013
    drumiv wrote: »
    WMG, you're probably right about the hearing sensitivity, my ears are abused daily. I figured as much about the break-in for the tweeters. Guess I'll just have to keep playing them. Not now though, time to go to work(I need money for XO's).
    The way to really tell the difference between the sl2000 and the 194s is to listen to the 194s for a couple of weeks and then try to go back to the sl2000s. If you do that it will only take about 10 minutes before you will be wanting to put the 194s back in. At least that was the case for me.
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    • Marantz 1504 AVR (front speaker pre-outs to Adcom 555)
    • Adcom GFA-555 amp · Upgrades & speaker protection added by OldmanSRS
    • Pioneer DV-610AV DVD/CD player
    • SDA CRS+ · Hidden away in the closet
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,442
    edited October 2013
    I prefer the pair I have at the moment....But I'd like a pair of 2.3TL's
  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,639
    edited October 2013
    One would think if CRS's are positioned correctly they could bring sonic bliss to your ear. If modded nicely & proper placement & powered properly in a room. I think those little guys would sing. Love those stands-sexxy
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  • Mr. Bubbles
    Mr. Bubbles Posts: 736
    edited October 2013
    I have experienced and/ or own/ed 2A's, 2B's, (2) pairs of 1C's, SRS, 1.2TL's. I prefer the 2A/B's over the others for tonal balance. I would really like to experience the SRS 2's, 2.3's and 3.1's especially the SRS2's.
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited October 2013
    Love my 2A-TLs, and my CRS+s. Both were completely upgraded, including the Dimensional Inductors. Made a big difference in the 2As, and completely changed the character of the CRS+s. I hope to get ears on the big boys one of these days. I don't have the proper room for them though.
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

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  • Titonine
    Titonine Posts: 18
    edited January 2014
    I have owned mil-spec 2b's, 1c's, 2.3TL's and a few pairs of 1.2TL's. I keep coming back to the big girls because despite their size, they are the most "invisible" speakers I have yet heard. Now that all the mods are done on these, they can do just about everything from relaxed, low volume chamber music, all the way to placing you in the front row of a Van Halen concert without so much as cracking a sweat.

    There is no replacement for displacement.
    Excuse me! Which models are "big girls" and "big boys" please?
  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited January 2014
    I prefer the 4.1TL's (modded CRS+'s). Because I have them :razz:
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
  • tygr1955
    tygr1955 Posts: 45
    edited January 2014
    I now own a pair of SRS 2.3s and a pair of Monitor 10 Series IIs playing together out of my Yamaha M80 power amp and they sound wonderful together! I guess I already have the ones I want!
  • Mystery
    Mystery Posts: 2,546
    edited January 2014
    It's not purely black and white.
    Of course it is assumed that higher models will have better sound going by their size, # of drivers and cost.
    So 1.2TL's are most preferred. That's a given if there is room for them.

    What I mean is unless all the models had new crossovers, proper room and setup, you have to take everything with grain of salt.
    I know a lot of you have fully modded speakers and that's a valid comparison but some others like me just use them and compare how they sound.

    For example, if you read threads, a 4.1TL sounds better than 2B's or does it sound better than even a fully modded 2B or just the ones with new crossover and nothing else done?
    Did the comparison involved new components in all the models?
    I had CRS+, 2B standard, 2B studio and 3.1TL.
    I really hated 3.1TL but that doesn't mean 3.1TL's sound bad.
    It could be because they had bad crossover or because of my small room. :redface:
    Anyways, of the others, I liked CRS+ over both 2B's.

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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,124
    edited January 2014
    4.1 TL's like Neil's, and a pair of 2B TL's have the SDA's just need to TL them something always gets in my way when I start saving for these projects. I just got a new F9000 Samsung tv and my next purchase will be an Oppo 105, then it's back to saving for the SDA upgrades, dang it all this hobby is costly!
    Home Theater
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    2 Channel
    Adcom 555II Vincent SA-T1 Marantz SA 15S2 Denon DR-M11 Clearaudio Bluemotion SDA 2.3tl's (Z) edition MIT Terminator II Speaker Cables & IC's Adcom 545II Adcom Gtp-450 Marantz CD5004 Technics M245X SDA 2B's, SDA CRS+

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  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
    edited January 2014
    zane77 Trying to "TL" a set of SDA SRS 2.3 is not really a good Idea, to begin with the cabinets are different from one another externally and I believe internally, then the inductors in the crossovers, 6 tweeters (RD0-198's @ $48 each), 8 MW6510 drivers (Good luck on finding 8 originals) and you would have to rewire them. In the long run it would be a lot cheaper to start with original SDA SRS 2.3TL's.

    It's just not worth it. JMO.
    zane77 wrote: »
    I've got a pair of 2.3's that I was able to pick up locally for $600. This was before I had ever even seen or heard any of the SDA's. The speakers are in absolutely mint condition and I am in the process of getting all of the mod's completed to them. My quandary right now is weather to upgrade them to TL's or not. I've performed all of the mod's except the crossover and speaker changes which are going to cost a bit more if I do decide to go the TL route. The speakers so far have been fantastic and my 2 channel listening has really gone up in time listening, quality and enjoyment. I can' wait it to get all of the rest of the mod's completed and then start upgrading some of my other components in my 2 channel system

    To the OP SDA 1C's for me :biggrin:
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  • mikemokr
    mikemokr Posts: 150
    edited January 2014
    Hunting for/lusting after CRS+ to dip my toe in the SDA water. There is the complicating factor that my new amp is not common-grounded, but I have an older, comparably powered (but common-ground) receiver I can use once it has a minor repair, without having to go the Dreadnought route.

    I think my family/HT room is good for SDA, plenty big with ample flexibility for proper speaker placement. It's still pretty "live" though despite full carpeting and could use treatments beyond the heavy curtains we've hung on the numerous windows. Other than that the main variable would be the speakers themselves, which almost certainly I'll buy unmodded so I'd have that to take care of.
    Main HT (family room): Polk Monitor 7 (1987-original owner) (L/R) / CSi40 (C) / RTi38 (SL/SR) / SVS 20-39PC (sub), Outlaw 975 pre/pro / Outlaw 7075 amp, Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray, LG 42LM5800 teevee
    2ch (family room): CRS+ (1987), Outlaw 1050 AVR, Denon DCM-420 CD
    Kitchen satellite 2ch: Polk M3II, Topping TP-20 Tripath amp fed from 975 rec line out
    Home office: Model 5 (1978-Danish Peerless), Lepai 2020A+ Tripath amp fed by laptop dock
    Awaiting assignment: PSW202 (NIB) to be wired inline in home office rig; Monitor 5JR (1988), Model 4 (1983-US Peerless)