Iphone 5C and 5S

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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,664
    edited September 2013
    Your wife is lucky to have such a loving husband.

    I agree...

    Trust me, as much as I can make fun of her for sucking at technology, she gives it right back to me for the things I suck at. You need to be able to laugh at yourself to make it in our house.
  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited October 2013
    I picked up a 5S last night, not inclined to do a full writeup but a few quick thoughts:

    1 - This thing is FAST! The specs on the CPU aren't all that impressive, it's just a dual core 1.3 ghz chip. But don't let that fool you, performance is superb. Real world performance is great with no lag whatsoever, this is the smoothest experience I've ever found on a phone. As for benchmarks, it's the fastest phone on the market with only the fastest LG G2 Android phone even really competing with it. I'm not really convinced on the need for a 64 bit chip in a phone, what I can tell you is that whatever is in this phone and however it's designed...it's very fast

    2 - The camera is fantastic, and improves on an already good camera in the iPhone 5. The true tone flash thing really works as advertised, and provides better color when the flash is used. The cool thing though is that the camera here has better sensitivity, so the flash is used less to begin with. I have not played with the new slow mo modes or any of the other new features, just basic photos. I'll try to take and post a few photos later today with the phones I have here to give an idea of how this one performs.

    3 - I'll have to admit that the fingerprint reader is cool, not something I though I'd use but now that I have it hard to imagine not using it. I always liked the reader on the Motorola Atrix that I had, when it worked. I still like the placement of that one on the top back of the phone vs the iPhone being at the bottom, just felt more natural to me. However, the reader on the iPhone actually WORKS reliably, which is a nice touch.

    Overall I'm very impressed. In everyday use the phone feels a little faster than the 5, but not by a mile. It's when you launch something like Infinity Blade 3 where you can really 'see' the power that the new design has to offer. Now Apple needs to get off their arse and get this chip into a new iPad!
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited October 2013
    Now Apple needs to get off their arse and get this chip into a new iPad!

    Rumor is October 22 a new iPad with the chip, and a new iPad mini with Retina display will be announced.

    The new mini is what I want. I find the full size iPad Retina a bit to awkward for constant use.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited October 2013
    We have one of each, I prefer the full size and my wife prefers the Mini, both are great and I hope the rumors are true and we get upgrades to each.
  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited October 2013
    Yeah I knew I was opening myself up there a little, couldn't think of a better way to word it :-)

    As for the phone, this 5S really is the bees knees, especially when it comes to speed. I can't imagine ever needing a device that's faster than this. The next iPhone really could just be this same chip but in a larger screen and it would be just fine. This is probably the most 'future proof' phone Apple has ever created.

    A couple years ago Intel hit the point with their Core i chips where things aren't really getting much faster, the chips are just getting more efficient. So they're not really doing more, they're doing the same with less power (that's really what this Haswell generation is all about). I think we're kinda at that point now with phones like the 5S and LG G2, at least in terms of how phones are used today, as mobile devices.

    With my crystal ball, I can see one more potential evolution in the mobile market though, and that would require taking processing levels up another notch. I can see a scenario where mobile phones become more like mobile 'brains', where you walk in your house and drop your phone in a docking station and it becomes your primary computer or slide your phone into a dock on a 10" screen and it becomes the brain of your tablet. Obviously companies like Motorola and Asus have sorta tried this with some of their phones and tablets, but nowhere near to the level I"m talking about here. There are several hurdles to overcome in order for this to work, one of which is obviously computing power (and then of course the battery technology to drive it).

    So, in terms of evolving the phone into something more I can see a continued need for increasing amounts of power. But to the extent that the phone is used today I"m not seeing a need for more power than we already have now in phones like the 5S and G2.
  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited October 2013
    IMO nothing has changes from the 5 and everyone going nuts for different colors and a slightly bigger battery is just crazy. I will stick to innovation and android. There have been many reports about people finally seeing the light and jumping apple's ship because they have made no serious changes sense Steve passed away (sad to say).
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited October 2013
    Your statement that nothing has changed from the 5 is simply inaccurate, that's not an opinion it's a simple fact. Your statement is like saying, IMO 2 + 2 does not equal 4. The new phone has a fingerprint reader (although not the first phone with one it's the first with one that works well and I believe the only top tier phone with one right now), a very good camera, and as I mentioned above is super fast. Even though the speed and camera are among the best available in any smartphone, I'll grant that those aren't innovations. The fingerprint reader like I said isn't an original idea (the Atrix had one and they're common on laptops and I even have one on a hard drive here at work. The technology behind the one on the iPhone and the way they implemented it though is innovative, I've never encountered a reader on a mobile product that works as well as this one.

    Now YOU may not care about those 'changes' from the 5, but you cannot, as you did above, claim that they don't exist.

    People change platforms all the time, I"m not concerned about what other people do and don't use that as an indication of the quality of a product. More people probably buy clothes at Wal-Mart than Nemans but I'm not about to use that fact to make the assertion that Wal-Mart is better. But since you brought it up, I'll bite. Sure, Android has the biggest share of the market by a large margin, but that includes all those junk freebie phones. If you compare the iPhone with similar higher end phones the story is quite different - I just saw something come across my stock ticker this morning that said that EACH of the new iPhones are outselling the next most selling device (Galaxy S4), for example. Then there are the usage statistics, which look at web traffic to show how much people are actually using their mobile devices. Some of those studies favor iOS and some favor Android, but they're all fairly close and provide a better picture of actual utilization.
  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited October 2013
    Your statement that nothing has changed from the 5 is simply inaccurate, that's not an opinion it's a simple fact. Your statement is like saying, IMO 2 + 2 does not equal 4. The new phone has a fingerprint reader (although not the first phone with one it's the first with one that works well and I believe the only top tier phone with one right now), a very good camera, and as I mentioned above is super fast. Even though the speed and camera are among the best available in any smartphone, I'll grant that those aren't innovations. The fingerprint reader like I said isn't an original idea (the Atrix had one and they're common on laptops and I even have one on a hard drive here at work. The technology behind the one on the iPhone and the way they implemented it though is innovative, I've never encountered a reader on a mobile product that works as well as this one.

    Now YOU may not care about those 'changes' from the 5, but you cannot, as you did above, claim that they don't exist.

    People change platforms all the time, I"m not concerned about what other people do and don't use that as an indication of the quality of a product. More people probably buy clothes at Wal-Mart than Nemans but I'm not about to use that fact to make the assertion that Wal-Mart is better. But since you brought it up, I'll bite. Sure, Android has the biggest share of the market by a large margin, but that includes all those junk freebie phones. If you compare the iPhone with similar higher end phones the story is quite different - I just saw something come across my stock ticker this morning that said that EACH of the new iPhones are outselling the next most selling device (Galaxy S4), for example. Then there are the usage statistics, which look at web traffic to show how much people are actually using their mobile devices. Some of those studies favor iOS and some favor Android, but they're all fairly close and provide a better picture of actual utilization.

    I still say not much has changed even with the addition of a better camera and oh wow a fingerprint reader, it's pretty much been unchanged sense the 5. Would I change my android if nothing but the camera has changed heck no! If the biggest things are a fingerprint reader and a faster processor makes you run out and buy a new one along with the pretty new colors by all means go ahead. I have been with my s3 for about 2 years now and see no reason to upgrade until something big is changed, I didn't run out and buy a s4 just because the screen size got bigger along with a faster processor.

    Junk android phones I completely agree are just that junk, I do get amused when people want to compared the iphone with the bottom of the line android when it's simply just not a even playground. Anyway you twist it apple is LOSING the market simply because people are starting to wake up and see that there really isn't anything special with these newer versions. I have a customer that swore to me for 2 years now he would never ever go to android. What did he just do? Went out and bought a Note! When I asked him why he simply told me he got bored with the whole plan interface of the apple. I use to swear by apple 4 years ago, I even owned a macbook pro and 3 ipods. But simply put when it was time to expand how I used my music I was limited to apple product I jumped ship. I wouldn't give you .02 for a iphone and laugh when people try to tell me it's a superior product. To each their own as I have learned to say. If people learned the android OS they would love it. I just gave my mother who has never had a smart phone mind you a S3 and she learned it well in 2 days. Some will argue you can pickup a apple and use it instantly. This might be true but when it comes time to start doing anything advanced it becomes much more difficult. To the point the point the OS is so overly simple its complex.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited October 2013
    http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/05/data-bites-dogma-apples-ios-ate-up-android-blackberry-us-market-share-losses-this-summer
    This is during the period where apple sales are the lowest since their fall release schedule is well known.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited October 2013
    Both the iPhone and Android models are really nice phones. We live in great times when we can walk around with such a powerful device in our pockets. Just the sheer fact how many devices it took to perform the same tasks these phones do is astonishing.

    I played around with the Android models and find them clunky compared to the iPhone. Maybe because I'm a Apple kinda guy I prefer the iPhone over the Android. Maybe because I believe the iPhone is a much better build device.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited October 2013
    I still say not much has changed even with the addition of a better camera and oh wow a fingerprint reader, it's pretty much been unchanged sense the 5. Would I change my android if nothing but the camera has changed heck no! If the biggest things are a fingerprint reader and a faster processor makes you run out and buy a new one along with the pretty new colors by all means go ahead. I have been with my s3 for about 2 years now and see no reason to upgrade until something big is changed, I didn't run out and buy a s4 just because the screen size got bigger along with a faster processor.

    Junk android phones I completely agree are just that junk, I do get amused when people want to compared the iphone with the bottom of the line android when it's simply just not a even playground. Anyway you twist it apple is LOSING the market simply because people are starting to wake up and see that there really isn't anything special with these newer versions. I have a customer that swore to me for 2 years now he would never ever go to android. What did he just do? Went out and bought a Note! When I asked him why he simply told me he got bored with the whole plan interface of the apple. I use to swear by apple 4 years ago, I even owned a macbook pro and 3 ipods. But simply put when it was time to expand how I used my music I was limited to apple product I jumped ship. I wouldn't give you .02 for a iphone and laugh when people try to tell me it's a superior product. To each their own as I have learned to say. If people learned the android OS they would love it. I just gave my mother who has never had a smart phone mind you a S3 and she learned it well in 2 days. Some will argue you can pickup a apple and use it instantly. This might be true but when it comes time to start doing anything advanced it becomes much more difficult. To the point the point the OS is so overly simple its complex.
    You're not really addressing the points I raised above, even though you quoted my entire post.

    Look, I'm really glad that you enjoy your Android phone, but your assertions of iPhone and Android are just your opinion, yet you state them as fact. The simple fact is, neither Android or iOS are better than the other, they're just different. I own devices for and develop for both platforms and I'm likely more aware of the advantages and disadvantages of each, both from a coding and UX perspective. I prefer iOS for my daily driver, but can certainly see the appeal of and understand why people generally prefer one platform or the other.

    First you said there are no changes from the 5 to the 5S, then when I pointed the changes out you said you don't care about a fingerprint reader, better camera or faster performance. Which one is it, you don't think there are changes or you do think there are changes but don't care about them? Those are two different things, by the way.

    First you say people are crazy for upgrading from the 5 and then you say to each their own. Which one is it? Again, those are two different statements and have two very different meanings. If you don't believe there are changes then you're in a state of denial, if you do think there are changes but that people are crazy for upgrading because of those changes then you're assuming that everyone else on the planet places value on the same things as you do, which I suppose is even worse than being in a state of denial.

    Then there's a bunch of stuff about Apple losing the battle and the anecdotal story of your friend switching sides. I like how you didn't address the points I brought up there. Apple is the most valuable company in the US (world?) right now, and last I checked it's not even close, they must be doing something right - I'll give you a hint their computer division is not where they're making all that money. And its not like there this recent mass exodus of people from Apple, as I mention and the link a couple posts above shows, if anything Apple has GAINED market share lately. Now if I were you I might make the statement that "people switched to android and realize how crappy it is and switched back to iPhone", but I don't really believe that and realize that Android is a fine product these days, but see how ridiculous that would sound?

    You're kinda all over the place, so that's about the best I can do for a response.
  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,664
    edited October 2013
    I still say not much has changed even with the addition of a better camera and oh wow a fingerprint reader, it's pretty much been unchanged sense the 5. Would I change my android if nothing but the camera has changed heck no! If the biggest things are a fingerprint reader and a faster processor makes you run out and buy a new one along with the pretty new colors by all means go ahead. I have been with my s3 for about 2 years now and see no reason to upgrade until something big is changed, I didn't run out and buy a s4 just because the screen size got bigger along with a faster processor.

    Junk android phones I completely agree are just that junk, I do get amused when people want to compared the iphone with the bottom of the line android when it's simply just not a even playground. Anyway you twist it apple is LOSING the market simply because people are starting to wake up and see that there really isn't anything special with these newer versions. I have a customer that swore to me for 2 years now he would never ever go to android. What did he just do? Went out and bought a Note! When I asked him why he simply told me he got bored with the whole plan interface of the apple. I use to swear by apple 4 years ago, I even owned a macbook pro and 3 ipods. But simply put when it was time to expand how I used my music I was limited to apple product I jumped ship. I wouldn't give you .02 for a iphone and laugh when people try to tell me it's a superior product. To each their own as I have learned to say. If people learned the android OS they would love it. I just gave my mother who has never had a smart phone mind you a S3 and she learned it well in 2 days. Some will argue you can pickup a apple and use it instantly. This might be true but when it comes time to start doing anything advanced it becomes much more difficult. To the point the point the OS is so overly simple its complex.

    You're ignoring the development of the M7 co-processor and 64 bit architecture.

    Thanks to the M7 this phone has a better battery life, is faster and has the building blocks for some pretty awesome tools utilizing the 5s' motion sensors.

    The phone may seem drab to you because developers have not caught up with what this phone CAN do.
  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,177
    edited October 2013
    Not a huge fan of Apple either, but more because I'm too stingy than anything else (I have used Apple extensively in the past). However, to say that they iPhone is just "blah" is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. We're an all Android household at the moment, including a tablet, but wish the days of BlackBerry were back. However, BlackBerry is probably history now (the new phones are just too cheaply made to command premium pricing in my opinion). Our next phones will be Windows or iOS, not Android. I expect that we'll switch from 100% Android in 2013 to 0% Android in 2014.

    In any case, the 5S and 5C launch have confounded all of the critics:

    - Sales (not pre-orders) of 9 million in the first weekend.
    - Compared to 5 million of the original iPhone 5 on the opening weekend.
    - More than double what skeptics were anticipating
    - Compared to the most popular Android, Samsung's Galaxy, the SIII took 21 days to reach 4 million in May 2012;
    - Whereas the S4 sold 4 million in four days in April 2013, and 10 million in 27 days.

    On another note. We recently had a visit from overseas from a person with an out of warranty GSM iPhone 4S bought in the U.K. The screen was badly cracked from having been dropped, but still worked flawlessly, despite having also been dropped in a bathtub of water as well (teenagers!). We decided to contact Apple in Pasadena about getting it fixed. We took the phone there and for $200, they replaced the ENTIRE phone and battery with a BRAND NEW, out of the box replacement! No warranty and no bad luck stories or excuses needed ... officially. Getting a brand new battery alone is a huge benefit. That is simply astonishing service for an out of warranty phone in my opinion.

    I'm seriously considering the iPhone myself now, including the biometric lock. A survey in April (not conducted by Apple) claims that 91% of U.S. iPhone owners intend to buy another iPhone. I've used biometric locks on laptops for about five years and absolutely love the convenience.

    Where others race toward more megapixels, more cores and other possible gimmicks (much like some audio corporations race towards more watts, or more channels, instead of real world output capability, which anyone with a few tube watts and two decent speakers understands), Apple have stuck to their message, and with or without Steve Jobs, they are a formidable force to be reckoned with.
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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,664
    edited October 2013
    Lasareath wrote: »
    I may be forced to upgrade to the 5S because OS7 has killed my 4S, it is so slow and laggy. It used to be quick and I never had to wait for anything. :(

    I have heard that you can go back to iOS6...

    My original iPad retina is also far more "laggy" with iOS7. I'll wait till they announce the new iPad and work on an upgrade!