Bob Carver LLC bought out by Emotiva...
jon s
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Emotiva apparently has bought out Bob Carver LLC... Link here...
Sorry if you had your brains explode all over your monitor, but it happened to us too. As revealed in this week's Emotiva Podcast, Emotiva has acquired Bob Carver LLC. Emotiva, long known to the Audioholics of the world as the go-to manufacturer for Internet Direct amplifiers, has a history of providing solid-state amplifiers at a fraction of the price of the brick and mortar competition. Bob Carver, a literal giant (but not too literal, like Fezzik) in the field of amplifiers, has a long history in the world of high-end audio through his companies, which include the well-respected Sunfire.
Bob Carver LLC is a new start-up from Carver that is focused on tube amps (as we reported here and here). Carver and partner Bob Farinelli started the company a few years ago. Farinelli is reportedly leaving to focus on his own automation company Smart Farm, LLC. Carver will begin working with Emotiva and his technologies will be integrated into both the Emotiva lineup and the Sherbourn line that Emotiva's parent company (Jade) acquired a few years ago.
While the announcement may be a bit premature, Emotiva has promised that the deal is all but done and that Emotiva will immediately take over production of the Bob Carver LLC. lineup of products. Keeping in the spirit of the original Bob Carver LLC products, all the original products will still be made in the Unites States at the Emotiva facilities.
This is an exciting development for all those interested in tube amps but not interested in their traditionally high cost. While we expect the Sherbourn products to be as expensive as custom installer products tend to be, we wonder what will end up in the Internet direct store on the Emotiva side. Carver's products have been traditionally sold exclusively through custom shops, so this is a big change for him.
Carver, reportedly, will be "deeply involved" in R&D at Emotiva—news that has vast implications for the future of Emotiva's offerings. On top of all this, with Carver's work with Sunfire, a company known not only for amplifiers but subwoofers, more changes in Emotiva's offerings are surely on the horizon. Dan Laufman, Emotiva Principal, said on the podcast, “We’re going to make a very, very serious effort in the high-performance subwoofer category."
Carver will be integrated into the Emotiva company in a design and development side. This mean Carver will be able to focus on coming up with new and interesting technologies and solutions while allowing Emotiva to focus on production and sales.
We, for one, are pretty excited to see how this all plays out.
Sorry if you had your brains explode all over your monitor, but it happened to us too. As revealed in this week's Emotiva Podcast, Emotiva has acquired Bob Carver LLC. Emotiva, long known to the Audioholics of the world as the go-to manufacturer for Internet Direct amplifiers, has a history of providing solid-state amplifiers at a fraction of the price of the brick and mortar competition. Bob Carver, a literal giant (but not too literal, like Fezzik) in the field of amplifiers, has a long history in the world of high-end audio through his companies, which include the well-respected Sunfire.
Bob Carver LLC is a new start-up from Carver that is focused on tube amps (as we reported here and here). Carver and partner Bob Farinelli started the company a few years ago. Farinelli is reportedly leaving to focus on his own automation company Smart Farm, LLC. Carver will begin working with Emotiva and his technologies will be integrated into both the Emotiva lineup and the Sherbourn line that Emotiva's parent company (Jade) acquired a few years ago.
While the announcement may be a bit premature, Emotiva has promised that the deal is all but done and that Emotiva will immediately take over production of the Bob Carver LLC. lineup of products. Keeping in the spirit of the original Bob Carver LLC products, all the original products will still be made in the Unites States at the Emotiva facilities.
This is an exciting development for all those interested in tube amps but not interested in their traditionally high cost. While we expect the Sherbourn products to be as expensive as custom installer products tend to be, we wonder what will end up in the Internet direct store on the Emotiva side. Carver's products have been traditionally sold exclusively through custom shops, so this is a big change for him.
Carver, reportedly, will be "deeply involved" in R&D at Emotiva—news that has vast implications for the future of Emotiva's offerings. On top of all this, with Carver's work with Sunfire, a company known not only for amplifiers but subwoofers, more changes in Emotiva's offerings are surely on the horizon. Dan Laufman, Emotiva Principal, said on the podcast, “We’re going to make a very, very serious effort in the high-performance subwoofer category."
Carver will be integrated into the Emotiva company in a design and development side. This mean Carver will be able to focus on coming up with new and interesting technologies and solutions while allowing Emotiva to focus on production and sales.
We, for one, are pretty excited to see how this all plays out.
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Hello, Jon. Not trying to burst your bubble but this is old news. We have already known about this for a short stint. Just an FYI.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I heard about this on a thread here but not all these details you posted. I thought this was a solid state thing but does this mean we could see a monster power emotiva tube amp?
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Someone know why the other thread was locked down? were we spilling the beans a little too early?
we were like 10post in and LOCK -
The original thread on this was locked down presumably because the usual Emo bashing started... though honestly, I thought everyone was pretty civil for once. Perhaps it was just a precautionary measure.Equipment list:
Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
Emotiva XPA-3 amp
Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen -
:cheesygrin: ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Kids are watching a movie. Looks like I better get some popcorn before it's all gone. Heck, might as well make myself a bag.
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Can ya throw some in a bowl for me Dave? :loneranger:"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
I personally am looking forward to see what they come up with..
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*Back Pedal Back Pedal Back Pedal* (goes all the bashers)
This is an odd but neat transaction.
Maybe this will turn the company around for the "Way Mo Better"!Carver, reportedly, will be "deeply involved" in R&D at EmotivaWhere’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!! -
I actually thought this acquisition of "Carver" made by Emo would drive the prices up but I got an answer from Dan Laufmann of Emo saying that would not happen and possibly bring prices down further and the NEW products made by the Two will be Designed and Manufactured in the USA..
That will make a lot of people SMILE here..ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Lower prices and made in the USA? I call BS, unless they have even less quality. I have nothing against American Made products, but generally since labor and other cost is higher so is the final product cost."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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That was what I thought, but Dan posted for all to see that prices are not going up, and are being made in USA..ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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Dan Laufmann of Emo saying ... NEW products made by the Two will be Designed and Manufactured in the USA.
If this is true, I'll throw my business their way."I did not slap you. I high-fived your face." -
IF Emotiva charged twice or 3 times as much as they do now for their products , would that make them better or more desirable?Dan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time. -
@matis ..lets hope for both cause I see this as a good thing for both Bob Carver and Big Dan over at Emotvia!Bob Carver will and He is A Very Very close Friend of Big Dan be Involved with ANY and ALL tube amp designs!Da Master Jedi Has Returned!
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IF Emotiva charged twice or 3 times as much as they do now for their products , would that make them better or more desirable?
Not if they sound the way they do now. Price doesn't always equate to quality or superb performance, but in GENERAL this holds true unless Coconuts are involved.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
real curious to see the new products
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IF Emotiva charged twice or 3 times as much as they do now for their products , would that make them better or more desirable?
It depends. If the price increase is due to using the best parts, and innovative R&D in audio circuit design then yes. My guess with this purchase is they want to diversify their product line, and offer a move up path for their customers.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
From my understanding, they had been talking about doing a tube pre for a while... so I'm wondering if this was just a natural evolution of them talking to Carver about that. It will be interesting to see what comes out of it, both with Carver's products and with future Emotiva designs.Equipment list:
Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
Emotiva XPA-3 amp
Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen -
kuntasensei wrote: »From my understanding, they had been talking about doing a tube pre for a while... so I'm wondering if this was just a natural evolution of them talking to Carver about that. It will be interesting to see what comes out of it, both with Carver's products and with future Emotiva designs.
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:cheesygrin:Price doesn't always equate to quality or superb performance, but in GENERAL this holds true unless Coconuts are involved.
H9
"A 5 ounce bird cannot carry a 1 pound coconut'.
"It could grip it by the husk"
"It's not a question of where he grips it, it's all about weight ratios"
:razz: From memory, might have messed it up a bit.... -
But a ant carry 100 times its weight upside down
Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant -
You just hit da nail on the head!It depends. If the price increase is due to using the best parts, and innovative R&D in audio circuit design then yes. My guess with this purchase is they want to diversify their product line, and offer a move up path for their customers. -
It depends. If the price increase is due to using the best parts, and innovative R&D in audio circuit design then yes. My guess with this purchase is they want to diversify their product line, and offer a move up path for their customers.
That's a slippery slope and can be very, very difficult to accomplish."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Should be interesting to see what new products make it to market...Samsung UN55C6500 55" LED
Onkyo TX-NR3007
Polk Audio RT5000
-RT3000 front
-CS1000 center
-FX1000 dipole
Polk Audio PSW1000 5.1 sub
Polk Audio microPRO 4000 x2 5.2 subs:biggrin: -
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Good question,I think I get what h9 is saying cost,design, and labor don't always = out.polkfarmboy wrote: »Why ? -
The question has to be what his definition of "made" is then.
Does assembled from Chinese parts by Chinese built robots on American soil count as made in the USA?AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
Rear: FXI A4
Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II -
I am starting to see now why so many people that come in here and leave this Fourm.H9 Keep the "Political BS" out of this great Club!Please everyone lets just stick to why we all get into this hobby.h9 if I may ask who is they?Emotiva? Bob Carver?dude why go there.Lower prices and made in the USA? I call BS, unless they have even less quality. I have nothing against American Made products, but generally since labor and other cost is higher so is the final product cost. -
@Tankman...
Dude, seriously???
I know something about politics:redface::eek: and trust me bro, H9's post ain't it.:cool:The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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