Wtf!!!!! Really????

Dabutcher

The big thing coming is call "Common Core" look it up on government Dept. of Education website. Only two countries implimenting anything like this are us and China!

steveinaz

Complacency is the enemy.

goofyGAguy

kevhed72 wrote: »

I dunno....this all stinks of a government conspiracy of public schools to push their health agenda on our kids.
Who are they to impose thier nutrition-based ideologies on us? When does it all end???

:rolleyes:

drselect

steveinaz wrote: »

I, myself had some food allergies---so I didn't eat those foods, this isn't rocket science..

Your right it isn't rocket science which is easy compared to this. There are those whose allergies to peanuts are so bad they can't be in the same room when a bag of Peanut M&M are opened because they will have a life threatening reaction. They don't have to eat the food to have the reaction.

EndersShadow

drselect wrote: »

Your right it isn't rocket science which is easy compared to this. There are those whose allergies to peanuts are so bad they can't be in the same room when a bag of Peanut M&M are opened because they will have a life threatening reaction. They don't have to eat the food to have the reaction.

And in that situation the school needs to be made aware of it and let parents know. I am doubtful there is anyone allergic to chips......

In High School I had (and still have) a medical condition that required me to need to be able to go to the restroom at a moments notice without teacher permission. Each year my mom made copies of a note from my doctor explaining what was up and gave one to each of my teachers. Was never a problem. Kid with that significant of a peanut allergy could do the exact same thing.

But thats not what this is about, like steve said, they are asserting their right to make choices for others, which IIRC isnt exactly what most would call "American".

Although given the current legistlative enviornment more people are happy to have someone write laws that tell them what they can and cant eat (transfat) or drink (large soda's). On the flip side you have a large portion of our population overweight which is what they are attempting to curb via legislation which I dont agree with. That isnt saying that their should be something done about obesity in children or adults, but I am not a fan of creating legislation to deal with those kids of issues.

exalted512

EndersShadow wrote: »

Although given the current legistlative enviornment more people are happy to have someone write laws that tell them what they can and cant eat (transfat) or drink (large soda's). On the flip side you have a large portion of our population overweight which is what they are attempting to curb via legislation which I dont agree with. That isnt saying that their should be something done about obesity in children or adults, but I am not a fan of creating legislation to deal with those kids of issues.

But since Obamacare, isn't it the government's right to tell us how to eat / live since the government is paying for our insurance?

/sarcasm
-Cody

cnh

The paradoxical thing here is that "someone" has been telling "you" what to "Do"and "Think" almost all of your life, from your parents to your teachers to your friends to your boss, to the city, state, Gov't, etc. on and on "world" without end: so much so that most people who "believe" they can or are thinking for themselves USUALLY are not, that's the last thing that humans do WELL!

A friend of mine who was linguist once said something very simple and very profound: Language is a form of "hypnosis"! That's pretty heavy lifting but there is a LOT of truth in it! The more you talk the more you believe what you are saying is true, especially if anyone else agrees with you?

cnh

EndersShadow

cnh wrote: »

The paradoxical thing here is that "someone" has been telling "you" what to "Do"and "Think" almost all of your life, from your parents to your teachers to your friends to your boss, to the city, state, Gov't, etc. on and on "world" without end: so much so that most people who "believe" they can or are thinking for themselves USUALLY are not, that's the last thing that humans do WELL!

Totally agree, but here IMHO is where you start to cut hairs, when you have a belief or an opinion and are not allowed to act on it due to a law is when it crosses the line. Now there is the obvious right and wrong for things like crimes and laws are needed for that, but if I am given data from mutliple sources (family, internet, news, teachers) I still have the ability to determine the relevance of the sources, their trustworthness and then decide and act for myself given that data. I am then accountable for whatever actions I take on the flip side of that coin however and the consequences of such.

When that ability to act on my decision given all that data is taken away, then it goes from an attemp to "influence" me to "forcing" me to do something.

Our country was founded on the issue of freedom and the more we legislate issues like this the less freedom we have.

If we all want to live out of a manual for can and can't do's for everything then the Matrix has won!

cnh wrote: »

A friend of mine who was linguist once said something very simple and very profound: Language is a form of "hypnosis"! That's pretty heavy lifting but there is a LOT of truth in it! The more you talk the more you believe what you are saying is true, especially if anyone else agrees with you?

That is definately a very true statement and one worth spending the time to ponder more in depth.

madmax

Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone...

ken brydson

madmax wrote: »

Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone...

You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your chips....

drselect

EndersShadow wrote: »

But thats not what this is about, like steve said, they are asserting their right to make choices for others, which IIRC isnt exactly what most would call "American".

I will agree that I think the OP was not trying to talk about food allergies. However, from my reading of several threads it seemed there was an attempt to equate the two.

And to shed some light on my take on the OP original post if my daughter came home and told me that story in a very short order I would be making a phone call or paying a visit to the Principal of the school and very politely asking that the indecent be investigated and that I would be checking back in several days to find out what they learned and what they plan on doing about it.

And also when I made the statement "segregation was not an option" it never came up. I was ready for that possibility but when we met with the school administration they said they would talk with the children and and send notes to parents and teachers asking them to not send peanut butter in lunches and most people were reasonable about it and we didn't have any majors problems. We are very thankful that most people understood the situation for what it is and were willing to feed their kids peanut butter at night or on the weekends.

EndersShadow

drselect wrote: »

I will agree that I think the OP was not trying to talk about food allergies. However, from my reading of several threads it seemed there was an attempt to equate the two.

And to shed some light on my take on the OP original post if my daughter came home and told me that story in a very short order I would be making a phone call or paying a visit to the Principal of the school and very politely asking that the indecent be investigated and that I would be checking back in several days to find out what they learned and what they plan on doing about it.

And also when I made the statement "segregation was not an option" it never came up. I was ready for that possibility but when we met with the school administration they said they would talk with the children and and send notes to parents and teachers asking them to not send peanut butter in lunches and most people were reasonable about it and we didn't have any majors problems. We are very thankful that most people understood the situation for what it is and were willing to feed their kids peanut butter at night or on the weekends.

Totally understand. I realized that segregation is not always an option as this is the real world, so i didn't even consider mentioning it as we have to work within what boundaries we are given.

I am glad they were able to accommodate you. I know if I got a note like that as a parent I would make sure to do my part.

schwarcw

Tell you child to ignore the lunch lady and eat the chips. Do you think the lunch lady is going to lay hands on your kid?

drselect

DSkip wrote: »

Expecting the same out of other parents can be asking too much though. It's amazing the diversity a single school can have, even if it appears uniform to the outside/statistical eye.

If a letter works, that is quite an accomplishment on all parts. This wouldn't work for schools I've been in because the letters would never even make it to the parents to begin with.

Yes I fully realize that the way this was dealt with would not have worked in other places. One of several benefits of living in a small town. I should also point out this has been done for other children and I have made efforts to accommodate each situation.

Drenis

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tonyb

exalted512 wrote: »

But since Obamacare, isn't it the government's right to tell us how to eat / live since the government is paying for our insurance?

/sarcasm
-Cody

Bingo.....people don't think of it that way, but it's spot on. When you ask someone else to foot the bill, they make the rules and you have to follow. The more government does for you, the less freedoms you will have. A basic concept not understood until put into practical use, until it affects you personally.

CNH,

I'm not following you on the language thing. Explain further. Language, in all it's different forms over the centuries has been a simple form of communication. However, how you use it can be a form of hypnosis, words can be powerful when put together properly and filled with emotion. All the great speakers of the world know this and frankly thats why they were great speakers.

Very few however were great speakers AND great leaders. Some use that gift to cover up their own inability to lead, such as we have now. I would considered it more so a manipulation of a language rather than a hypnosis.

As children, someone has been telling you want to think, how to behave, what to eat, etc. Usually by a few most would put their trust in. Parents themselves, teachers, church leaders. Wouldn't you agree ? Now that schools and teachers are compromised with agendas, and churches have become politicized, that leaves parents who are being told their children do not belong to them but to a collective of government agencies.Parents are being locked out of what their kids see, learn. It doesn't take much to connect the dots here. That is of course if one is looking to connect the dots instead of blindly following.

tonyb

Dabutcher wrote: »

The big thing coming is call "Common Core" look it up on government Dept. of Education website. Only two countries implimenting anything like this are us and China!

I would suggest anyone with school aged kids to investigate this Common Core thing. Terrible in my opinion. I won't go into all the details, do your own research. I've already received notice my school district is diving in head first to this travesty.

steveinaz

madmax wrote: »

hey, teacher, leave those kids alone...

lmao!!!

steveinaz

CNH, sounds like a "you didn't build that" moment. IMO, while authority figures ceratinly play a role in our overall development, I disagree that the influence is as great as you make it out to be; and it will vary greatly from personality to personality.

hosedagain

tonyb wrote: »

I would suggest anyone with school aged kids to investigate this Common Core thing. Terrible in my opinion. I won't go into all the details, do your own research. I've already received notice my school district is diving in head first to this travesty.

Common Core
http://www.corestandards.org/

BlueFox

tonyb wrote: »

I would suggest anyone with school aged kids to investigate this Common Core thing. Terrible in my opinion. I won't go into all the details, do your own research. I've already received notice my school district is diving in head first to this travesty.

What is the problem? Did they leave out Creationism and teach evolution instead?

Mikey081057

Welcome to Liberal Land

Ronald Reagan said: “Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.”

and

“The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.”

Does anybody find it ridiculous that you can't buy 2 packages of cold medicine from different stores in your town? The gestapo will come to your door with the spanish inquisition.. But... You can buy all the meth you want on the streets.... WTF???

Jhayman

Ya you guys down there have a meth problem that's for sure..
I am fairly positive you can buy 2 packages of cold medication up here..
I trust my Government to spend my money on what ever they think is necessary.

Mikey081057 wrote: »

Welcome to Liberal Land

Ronald Reagan said: “Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.”

and

“The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.”

Does anybody find it ridiculous that you can't buy 2 packages of cold medicine from different stores in your town? The gestapo will come to your door with the spanish inquisition.. But... You can buy all the meth you want on the streets.... WTF???

cnh

steveinaz wrote: »

CNH, sounds like a "you didn't build that" moment. IMO, while authority figures ceratinly play a role in our overall development, I disagree that the influence is as great as you make it out to be; and it will vary greatly from personality to personality.

What I'm suggesting, and I've "experienced" among my students, is that "most" of their Beliefs are NOT fully their OWN! The majority of human beings are NOT philosophers in the Socratic sense. The majority do not follow the Socratic edict that the "unexamined life is not worth living". Most people simply believe what TRADITION has thrust upon them! Most do not EVER have a crisis/trauma that causes them to debate/question EVERYTHING they've ever heard or been told. To go out and engage the "other" than themselves and see if that other is so different or even wrong. To compare, contrast American values and beliefs with the panoply of human history and belief before suggesting what is "first and foremost". If you've ever read any of Plato's Socratic dialogues you will notice a common pattern. Someone, usually a highly intelligent and precocious young man, spouts out something about Truth, or Justice or the Good, and then Socrates begins to Question the assumptions that his definitions and beliefs are based on, within a short period we find that the beliefs are insubstantial, subject mostly to common sense and hearsay and NOT properly thought out and criticized. I don't know about you, but I don't find the average American to be an expert in the Socratic method.

And that's pretty much what I am saying. When we discuss things here, few think to Question ABSOLUTELY everything. They begin with THEIR set of assumptions and proceed to reason from there. But that is never an "honest" discussion for a philosopher (who is a seeker of wisdom, not a promulgator of common sense, truth or traditional values).

If you've never had your entire world view shattered and rebuilt it? What do you have to "offer" us in terms of wisdom? That is what the "average" person rarely experiences, and that is why language is so seductive. It can lead you to deny facts, to forget you moral obligations and to feel nothing in the face of the common shared suffering of human kind.

Life is a problematic that threatens human "sanity" in every moment of one's existence. If one does not understand that then the human condition eludes him/her.

In SIMPLE terms. This is NOT a "you didn't build that moment" but a "YOU DID NOT THINK THAT MOMENT! Which is far, far worse! And very very easy to "demonstrate"!

cnh

steveinaz

CNH, got'cha, and very good post by the way.

EndersShadow

Wow we are three pages in and its still civil and a very good discussion....

Way to go CP!

nooshinjohn

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what the hell???

The crux of the issue for me is that these school officials and teachers have been indoctrinated to believe crap like this. In my lifetime we have seen the absolute destruction of the family, of marriage, personal responsibility and accountability, morals and of a belief in a higher power. The bedrock upon which our nation was founded has been turned to quicksand by the very same people and ideas that now claims to be the cure. 17,000,000,000,000 in debt and the social Utopia we have been promised by these hair-brained nutjobs is farther away than ever.

Put that same money back into the hands of those that created the wealth in the first place and we would have achieved so much more than that bankrupt nation we have turned into...

The time to wake up is long past.

cnh

Yeah, John? But WHO really CREATES that WEALTH! The Job Creators, ALONE! What about the MILLIONS of hands that labor for the people who make the profits, or the resources skimmed from poor nations for a pittance so that someone can manufacture something cheaply while millions remain in poverty? Or the hundreds of years of "profits" the West reaped from the "slave trade" in human bodies and lives. There are some who would say that an important portion of England's industrial revolution was fueled by the profits in human "bodies", and there is economic evidence for that.

Wealth is a project that needs the "many" not just the "few" who reap the glory and most of the profits. And that's just something that "we" conveniently "forget" because it puts a kink in our arguments, does not look good, or god forbid, smacks of "collectivism" as though the human race did not evolve through collective interdependence over a couple of million years. That's science.

I saw the Glenn Beck "supposed" dismantling of the above video. An exercise in taking things "out of context" and what we used to amusingly refer to as Intelligent stupidity, where you use your OWN ideology to deconstruct it as though that is a REAL critique of anything or an "honest" debate.

It is not. GB needs some history lessons, or maybe he should take at least ONE anthropology course. Just one! Nonetheless I find him "endlessly" amusing. He's fun, he's entertaining, but also a bit off the deep end. I bet he does not even believe half of what he says?

The point above is that humans need each other, and not much more--NOT that your kids are NOT your kids--only a moron would interpret that video in that way. If people want to turn the fact the man is a SOCIAL ANIMAL into a discourse on Communism, that's just stupid, and nothing more! A "perfect" example of the unexamined life. Don't doubt, don't think, don't question because you "already" know everything about the "way" the world should "be". And Socrates rolls over in his grave. lol

And does anyone really think that Melissa Harris-Perry is of any "significance" or has any "real" power?

cnh

zombie boy 2000

Some Food (Ha!) for Thought:

I wonder how many of the same individuals in this thread so up in arms over the school's decision to not allow potato chips or sodas for a snack would also reminisce fondly over days gone-by when children were leaner, healthier, physically active, etc? Actively denouncing the wickedness of our "modern ways" that has allowed us to reach this sorry, wretched state.

A time, which I'm sure, would undoubtedly coinicide with their own youth....

PSOVLSK

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

Some Food (Ha!) for Thought:

I wonder how many of the same individuals in this thread so up in arms over the school's decision to not allow potato chips or sodas for a snack would also reminisce fondly over days gone-by when children were leaner, healthier, physically active, etc? Actively denouncing the wickedness of our "modern ways" that has allowed us to reach this sorry, wretched state.

A time, which I'm sure, would undoubtedly coinicide with their own youth....

Yes. I think the purpose of the rules over "junk" food is simply to educate kids to help them make informed choices. It has to start with children as most adults aren't going to change. There is a definite problem with childhood obesity and children with diabetes, both of which result from unhealthy eating.

That being said, if the OP's daughter was not allowed to eat her chips at lunch he needs to have a conversation with the school administration. I think something is amiss. The fact that it happened in April and she's taken chips for lunch most days just doesn't make sense. If this had happened in August I'd be inclined to think it was a school rule. Additionally, I just can't imagine a school having such a policy without informing parents.

Is the video that John posted not just saying the age old adage that it takes a village to raise a kid? I don't think it was stated the best way, but that's what I took from it.