please talk me out of it

marvda1
marvda1 Posts: 4,901
edited February 2013 in 2 Channel Audio
i have the usher r 1.5 150 watt power amp and am thinking about the plinius sa-50 mk3 50 watt class a power.
the plinius is up for sale at $1600. should i go after it or be happy with what i have? speakers usher dancer mini 2 and usher cp-6381.

HELP:mrgreen:
Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
Puritan PSM156
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  • larry777
    larry777 Posts: 480
    edited February 2013
    Get a grip on yourself marvda1. Don't you like your existing system ? Will you actually get $1600 more sound ? :eek: :cry:
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,965
    edited February 2013
    Jump....jump off that fence bro. Whats the worst that could happen ? You fall in a pile of dog do-do ? Then you re-sell,take a shower and start over.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited February 2013
    Get it so I could listen to it with using your money
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    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
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  • 11tsteve
    11tsteve Posts: 1,166
    edited February 2013
    sheesh... i thought i was being the big spender finally getting a Peachtree DAC-it to A/B with my Bifrost.:lol:

    can you pay your bills and feed your family, and have wiggle room for the unforeseen? good... then get it and write a review here. think of the great service you will be doing for your fellow Polkies.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,965
    edited February 2013
    Speaking of which, did you post a review yet or did I miss it somewhere ?
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • decal
    decal Posts: 3,205
    edited February 2013
    Jump, jump, jump...................
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited February 2013
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    i would sell the usher and try to make the cost a wash..........dskip:rolleyes: the plinius would still be my backup amp unless it just blows away the consonance cyber 800's

    i am still burning in the dm2's and just upgraded my speaker cables to mg audio design planus 2. dskip, you can help me move the 6381's out:cry: and set up the dm2.
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited February 2013
    You need to get a life if all you have to do with your time is endlessly spend thousands of dollars that you most likely will NOT make up in resale of gear that if you were put in a room blindfolded you wouldn't be able to tell the difference! But it's your life and your money so knock yourself out.

    As someone above said, if all your other expenses are taken care of and you are not in debt up to your eyeballs enjoy.
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited February 2013
    cfrizz, then why in the hell did you spend all that money on the gear that you have? there's lots of cheaper equipment out there since YOU can't hear the difference in the dark:idea:
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited February 2013
    I believe that cfrizz is suggesting that maybe one should amass the cash from sales of whatever equipment first and then, with money in the bank, do "whatever" strikes one's fancy! And I'm almost certain that that is the way she put "her" system together! Otherwise, your thread "Please talk me out of IT!" Is meaningless, no?

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  • michael1947
    michael1947 Posts: 775
    edited February 2013
    tonyb wrote: »
    Jump....jump off that fence bro. Whats the worst that could happen ? You fall in a pile of dog do-do ? Then you re-sell,take a shower and start over.

    I think Tony has it spot on.
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited February 2013
    what do you seek to improve on from your current usher r1.5 amp?
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited February 2013
    cfrizz wrote: »
    You need to get a life if all you have to do with your time is endlessly spend thousands of dollars that you most likely will NOT make up in resale of gear that if you were put in a room blindfolded you wouldn't be able to tell the difference! But it's your life and your money so knock yourself out.

    As someone above said, if all your other expenses are taken care of and you are not in debt up to your eyeballs enjoy.

    Condescending much? What a rude comment. You need to get a life if all you're going to do is come in here, stir the pot and leave your negative .02 cents. If you made good money wouldn't you want to spend it on you or you're family?

    You should also replace all of your gear with a budget of $500 for EVERYTHING and see how far you get and if you can "tell the difference".
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited February 2013
    transparency and detail and maybe some more low end control with more mid range warmth.
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • larry777
    larry777 Posts: 480
    edited February 2013
    MORE,MORE MORE....Stop it will ya!..... Slap,Slap....Did I talk you out of it ? Isn't that what you wanted according to the Thread Title ? Or is there no Hope for ya ! :loneranger:
    Home Theatre.............

    Pioneer SC-35
    Polk RTi10's Fronts
    Polk CSiA6 Center
    RTi4 Surrounds
    SVS PB-12 Sub


    2 Channel.............................

    Yaqin MC-100B
    Energy RC-70 Speakers
    Arcam CD-192 Disc Player
    Van Den Hul Interconnects
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited February 2013
    marvda1 wrote: »
    transparency and detail and maybe some more low end control with more mid range warmth.
    when you found that amp for the md2, let me know! :lol:
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  • nwohlford
    nwohlford Posts: 700
    edited February 2013
    marvda1 wrote: »
    cfrizz, then why in the hell did you spend all that money on the gear that you have? there's lots of cheaper equipment out there since YOU can't hear the difference in the dark:idea:

    In fairness to cfrizz, the title of the thread is "please talk me out of it", so it seems like she was just following your suggestion.
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  • teekay0007
    teekay0007 Posts: 2,289
    edited February 2013
    marvda1 wrote: »
    i am still burning in the dm2's and just upgraded my speaker cables to mg audio design planus 2. dskip, you can help me move the 6381's out:cry: and set up the dm2.

    Hmmm....quite a predicament. How are you gonna tell if the added "transparency and detail and maybe some more low end control with more mid range warmth" you're looking for, if realized, is from the new plinius or from the changes in the sound delivered by the dm2's as they continue to burn in, or from your new mg audio design planus 2 cables? I think you've got too many changes going on at once there to give an accurate appraisal of where any change in sound quality originated from.

    If it were me, I'd first put those new mg audio design planus 2 cables on my cable cooker for a good long spell. Then, and only then, after I'd evaluated the overall system until it couldn't be evaluated anymore, would I proceed to stir things up more with the addition of a new plinius. At that point, I'd be reasonably certain that the addition of the new plinius sa-50 mk3 to my system could be properly evaluated as to whether it added $1600 worth of transparency and detail and maybe some more low end control with more mid range warmth...or not.
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited February 2013
    the speaker cables should be burned in as they were trade ups. the problem is the usher is not my main amp, that goes to the cyber 800 (tube). the usher is more or less a backup amp and by selling the usher i could just about pay for the plinius. now whether the plinius can dethrone the consonance is another question. maybe my thinking is off and i should be trying to replace the main amps instead of the backup amp.
    might have just talked myself out of it but now it's going to cost me more money:cry: a never ending battle:lol:
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • brianle
    brianle Posts: 572
    edited February 2013
    Usher md 2 takes at least 100 hrs for the tweeter to settle in
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  • mjcmt
    mjcmt Posts: 44
    edited February 2013
    I had a 'class A' Pass Labs amp and like the sound much better than A/B amps I've owned. You should like what you hear from Plinius.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited February 2013
    larry777 wrote: »
    Get a grip on yourself marvda1. Don't you like your existing system ? Will you actually get $1600 more sound ? :eek: :cry:

    $1600 will buy one Shunyata Cobra Ztron power cord with $600 left over. I'm not sure what $1600 worth of sound is, but I love the end result of adding this cord from the wall to the power conditioner in the HT. It made the audio and the picture better. So, I say buy the gear. You get what you pay for.
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited February 2013
    ok, ok, i see the light. it makes more sense to save up to replace my main amp with something better than to drain money by upgrading the backup amp. oh well that's it for audio nervosa.:mrgreen:
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited February 2013
    i forgot about that, cheaper too. you know how cheap i am:razz: saw you called twice, left the phone at home and went out to eat with the wifey and daugther. wish i could hear the Be and DMD side by side.
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • PolkieMan
    PolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited February 2013
    He needs the entabulator!!!

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