RIP Twinkie goodness

zingo

Lasted news is Hostess is looking legal option in order to sell brand and rights to products! Here is your opportunity to own Twinkie!

brgman

txcoastal1 wrote: »

The Twinkie will be resurrected

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/18/will-twinkies-prove-sweet-deal-for-mexican-billionaire/?test=latestnews

Proof once again that it is Unions that really ship the American jobs out of the USA.

steveinaz

...I guess their "bluff" got called on that one. Now, not only are they NOT getting a pay raise, their out of a job.

tonyb

brgman wrote: »

Proof once again that it is Unions that really ship the American jobs out of the USA.

I'm not so sure you can lay that solely at the Unions feet, but I'll admit they don't help matters most the time. Thing is, most companies ship jobs out to gain the cheaper labor enabling them to stay competitive in their respected markets. The problem comes in at, are we to lower our wages to 3rd world levels to keep buisness here ? Thats the unions arguement and a valid one imho. Unfortunately, this is where trade agreements come in, regulations, and simple policy to create an even playing field among world trade. Obviously we can't become isolationists, but we do need to install better trade policy to cover the differences of foreign cheap labor. Otherwise, the process of declining wages and increased costs of consumer goods will continue on and I see nothing on the horizon that tells me that will change anytime soon.

You would think, if that was indeed the unions basic concern that they would be knocking on the doors of those they support to do something about trade inbalances, but sadly it is not. It does make a great sell though to those belonging to unions. It's about power, money, control.....nothing more, nothing less, and you as a union member are seen as nothing but a money generating machine for them. Sound familiar ? Trumka could be Karl Marx reincarnated if you really listen to him. I jest of course, but the similarities are there none the less. We have a current atmosphere in our country that doesn't like buisness, makes it harder for buisness to grow, wants to pick and choose the winners and losers, so where will jobs come from ? Answer is....they won't magically appear, and you can look forward to the same economy of the last 4 years for the next 4. Uplifting isn't it ?

cnh

tonyb wrote: »

I'm not so sure you can lay that solely at the Unions feet, but I'll admit they don't help matters most the time. Thing is, most companies ship jobs out to gain the cheaper labor enabling them to stay competitive in their respected markets. The problem comes in at, are we to lower our wages to 3rd world levels to keep buisness here ? Thats the unions arguement and a valid one imho. Unfortunately, this is where trade agreements come in, regulations, and simple policy to create an even playing field among world trade. Obviously we can't become isolationists, but we do need to install better trade policy to cover the differences of foreign cheap labor. Otherwise, the process of declining wages and increased costs of consumer goods will continue on and I see nothing on the horizon that tells me that will change anytime soon.

Nice point above, tony! That is, indeed part of the problem; a general shift from 1st world to 3rd world wages. Which is actually taking place in front of our 'eyes'. Many employers today prefer to have a Flex-work force that is held in a Part-time status and whose hours are mutable and fixed at less than 20 a week. No benefits, no retirement, no holidays, etc.

Yet we can't blame "all" employers equally, some are more selfish than others. There are pressures for "cheap" labor and competition precisely because we are NOT on an even playing field with a country like China (I certainly know enough about labor over there!). A Twinkie solution should have involved measures, talks of the kind you are suggesting above.

Monopolies in any field, whether they be in Gov't, Business, or Labor, usually lead to a concern about the entity itself and those in power rather than the greatest good for the greatest number and compromise and real negotiations.

I too agree that you cannot blame unions alone. But it is also true that Unions, like Congress, Wall Street, Banks and so on can all become "corrupt" and self-serving. The more power, the greater the size, the less the "accountability", etc. The worse the group, whatever it is!

Sociology dissertations! Sheeesh! All we're trying to do here is save some "junk food" for those of you who are Type II and this is the "thanks" we get! lol

What are you gonna eat with that beer while you're watching your favorite team play?

BTW, Bimbo is all over "China"!

cnh

mrbigbluelight

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

I miss my Twinkie I miss my Twinkie I miss my Twinkie I miss my Twinkie I miss my Twinkie .....

Sweet mother of gawd ..... you did it again ! :eek: That's even worse than your "Pull Over" post !! :eek::eek:

.... I'm going to have to file a grievance.

dkg999

Tonyb & cnh - good points. Unfortunately the problem will begin to self-correct as soon as we run out of third-world countries with cheap labor. That may take a while.

mrbigbluelight

Absolutely agree that we can't even attempt to become isolationists. It wouldn't work for one thing and we'd lose that battle.
You mentioned fair trade practices and that is certainly a major step. Another major step is to get a certain foreign country to stop manipulating their currency. We've had trade delegations, our Secretary of State, and a host of dignitaries travel to China to discuss this issue, and they thumb their noses.
Our elected (perhaps "selected") representatives make a big noise, but it's my opinion that it's all for show. Our reps are allowed to speak passionately, but they know who controls the purse strings and power.
And it's not us.
And the Unions don't have enough money to overcome that mountain of power and money.
Is there corruption ? I'll put it this way: our Local was forced to disband because of corruption. Seems they were caught skimming from a pension fund in another state to backdoor invest in a local casino that was being built.
Bad. No excuse.
But what is equally as bad (at least) is "our" government funding companies to relocate overseas. We help pay for that.
It's much more than "those dam Unions are driving companies overseas !". When Hershey's left Pennsylvania to go to Mexico, it wasn't because of hard-nosed Union people refusing to make concessions. It was because the price of sugar in Mexico is cheaper.
Why is it sugar higher in the US ? "Our" government artificially sets the price of cane sugar high in order to subsidize beet farmers in Louisiana and the South. It would be more accurate to say beet conglomerates.
....I could rant forever on this subject (that's a threat) but won't. Too close to Thanksgiving and I need to go to QT and pickup some Suzy Q's.

tonyb

Spot on big guy ^^^^, and we can carry that scenario into many other buisnesses/industries. Which is why the less government gets involved in things they shouldn't, the better. I know CNH may disagree with me, and thats cool, but we always come back to human greed, corruption, and lust for power/control. The weeds in the garden of liberty. Still, how does a society eliminate such weeds is the question. Or do we then take a "if you can't beat them,join them " mentality ? Is liberty not what made America special in the world to begin with ? If so, why are so many willing to toss it aside for the promiss of a minimal lifestyle of which no work or effort will be required ? Lots of questions, little answers, and believe me I don't profess to have all the answers but I have a good idea of where to start.

America as a nation has become so entangled in politics, it has divided us more than I've seen in my lifetime anyway. Everything that is wrong, goes wrong, is finger pointed to a political idealogy. Same when things are good for that matter. I guess it just goes to show how low we have become in the quality of our leadership and moral standings. Our education system is a big part too but thats for another thread. So the question stands, how do you reverse this downward spiral we are on ?

Just as a side note, if they doom my Reeses Peanut butter cups, I'm going ape sh$t on someone.:cheesygrin:
....and God help the dude that gets rid of bacon, not a corner on the planet he'd be able to hide in.

dkg999

Tonyb - if they doom Reeses PB cups and bacon we are forming a militia and kicking some a$$.

trav0810

On a side note; A bankruptcy judge has ordered a meeting between the two parties to discuss the reasons for the strike. So, reconciliation is still a remote possibility!

tonyb

trav0810 wrote: »

On a side note; A bankruptcy judge has ordered a meeting between the two parties to discuss the reasons for the strike. So, reconciliation is still a remote possibility!

Maybe....for a short while. It appears management knows the writting on the wall and are set on sucking out their golden parachutes before the ship goes down. Best thing to happen for them is to get bought out by someone, then a new management team will be put into place......with yet another set of golden parachutes. :biggrin:

They will need to take the company outside the country however to survive imho anyway. The unions may make concessions but that won't last long and pretty soon they'll be in the same boat.

dkg999

Judges aren't business analysts, so the mediation so ordered isn't going to fix the core problems with the business. It will just prolong an agonizing situation and make the eventual fail all the more epic.

BlueFox

tonyb wrote: »

They will need to take the company outside the country however to survive imho anyway. The unions may make concessions but that won't last long and pretty soon they'll be in the same boat.

Yes! Chinese Twinkies, with lead, arsenic, and other tasty surprises.

Polkersince85

BlueFox wrote: »

Yes! Chinese Twinkies, with lead, arsenic, and other tasty surprises.

Better start thinking Indonesia. That's where the outsourcing is going. Ask the Prez.

tonyb

BlueFox wrote: »

Yes! Chinese Twinkies, with lead, arsenic, and other tasty surprises.

LOL.....why not ? Maybe you can get some free twinkies with every chinese drywall purchase.

I vote for latin america, I want to see some chipolte twinkies or twinkie tacos. They put anything in a taco down there.

headrott

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

That statement says a great deal, my friend. A very great deal.
It's been my opinion that we've been evolving into a nation of Ferrenghi (Star Trek reference !) for quite some time . This evolution has been actively encouraged and promoted, IMO, by those who are primarily interested in the consolidation of power and money. To see what these people are trying to accomplish here, one can look to see what (and how) they've accomplished elsewhere around the globe towards the consolidation of money and power.
It's a rather established routine, it's a rather established pattern. It uses the same established cast of characters and players.

And we don't notice it, or care to notice it, because our attention has been misdirected elsewhere, against each other. When the masses are fighting in the street for scraps of bread, so to speak, it's rather hard to notice that up on the castle walls the nobility are enjoying snack cakes (Twinkies ?). This group of players can take comfort in they are masters of the magicians' art of misdirection.

They tell the people that they would better off if only the rules they live under were relaxed, that it's these rules that are keeping them from liberty and freedom !
So they relax some of the rules, like those regulating energy. And banking. And they loot the finances of the people to the benefit of their group.
But not all rules are relaxed. No, they must actually strengthen and enhance some rules strictly to ensure that people maintain their liberty. So they make it legal to listen to citizens at every opportunity. They must be able detain questionable people without notifying anyone as to the who, what, where, and why of such detention. They must deploy 30,000 drones within the borders of the United States within the next 3 years because ... well, who knows ? Doesn't matter anyway, because the people are too busy fighting with each other to notice. Again, masters of the art of misdirection.

And for those who may question the power of this group ? Figuratively destroy them by branding them as not being loyal to the Kingdom. If the person or group stands in the way of total consolidation of power and money, they are eliminated. Sometimes figuratively. Sometimes literally.
It's been done before. It's being done now. Worldwide.
Look it up. It's there. No tin foil hat required. Just have to remove the sunglasses.

You are correct in many aspects here. Except for the part in bold. Have you seen the movie "They Live"? It took placing the glasses on to view the "global power elite" in the movie. Just think of the aliens as actual people and that's what is taking place in the world. Interesting side note that this move was released on BD on November 6th (election day).

If you haven't seen the movie, watch it. "They Live" and "Brazil" as well. Phenominal!

gimpod

goofyGAguy wrote: »

Doritos.

billbillw wrote: »

I can think of about 20 different snacks I'd rather eat if/when I were to get the munchies. Fritos, Pringles, Doritos, Cheetos, Funions, any kind of potato chip, pizza, etc...

You guys are missing the point, Sure thay may not be good for you but Twinkies have the Half Life of plutonium. There's nothing worse than being wasted with the munchies and realizing that you forgot to pick up that 200lb pallet of Twinkies the last time you went to Costco.

EndersShadow wrote: »

Looks like your safe Gimp . I forget are you in Washington State or Colorado?

Been hitting the Valium hard the last week so I'm not really sure, Washington I think. :redface:

tonyb wrote: »

Just as a side note, if they doom my Reeses Peanut butter cups, I'm going ape sh$t on someone.:cheesygrin:
....and God help the dude that gets rid of bacon, not a corner on the planet he'd be able to hide in.

Reeses Peanut butter cups and bacon, Say it ain't so.:eek::eek: