What Speaker Cables for my Setup-Advice needed.

RamZet

Hey,
Im Seth and Im a new comer to the Polk Forums. I have been looking at the forum for awhile now and decided to get involved. You can also see me at EVGA.com User: Seth89. I have a good 5 year record with them.

So now for my question.
My setup is using the following.
B&W CM9 (will have them in a few weeks) http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/CM_Series/CM9.html
Rotel RMB-1076 http://www.rotel.com/NA/products/ProductDetails.htm?Id=465&Tab=1&Pic=2
Marantz SR4002 http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/marantz-sr4002/4505-6466_7-32909827.html
Audio Technica 240 Turn Table http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/turntables/1dd57155b119cdad/index.html
Sonos P90 http://www.amazon.com/Sonos-CONNECT-Wireless-Streaming-ZonePlayer90/dp/B001CROHX6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1352564033&sr=1-1&keywords=sonos+p90
Samsung DVD/CD player http://www.codemicro.com/store/product/Samsung-bdc6800-Refurbished.php?gclid=CJ_r_ZvmxLMCFXFnOgodZUcAnA

*All devices are using MIT AVT2 inter connects.
*Rotel RMB will be Bi-amped to CM9 until I get a pair of Rotel Mono Block amps.

Currently Im using Polk Monitor 70s. But im placing a Order with B&W this month for CM9s. I wanted to get the most of out my speakers without spending 1,000 in speaker cables. Currently im using 16 gauge West Penn speaker cables.

Wires I have looked at and I am considering ordering.
Mit AVT2 speaker cable http://www.mitcables.com/available-in-stores/speaker-interfaces/avt-2-speaker-cable.html
OR
Emotiva Xseries http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/interconnects/products/xss.
Are the Emotiva Cables any good? Are there other companies Im just not seeing that offer high quality cables.

Let me know about what you use and products that you know of.

Thanks,
Seth.

RamZet

PS. I will buy used off E-Bay.

boomhower

Your wasting your money. That speaker cable won't sound any different that $15 solid wire from monoprice.

chumlie

Canare 4S11

ALWALLER

+1 Canare 4S11

F1nut

Seth, you will gain considerable benefit from adding MIT speaker cables to your rig as they are designed to work perfectly with your MIT interconnects. Besides, MIT cables are far superior to any others mentioned here.

If you haven't seen this, it would be a good read for you. http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?115800-MIT-CVT-1-Cable-Demo-Review-Round-3



boomhower, it would be a good read for you too as you clearly lack experience with cables.

BlueFox

Other than the high-end MIT cables, you need to look at Shunyata's speaker and interconnect cables using their Ztron technology. Oops, don't forget their power cables. I have almost a complete Ztron system, except for MIT S1.3 XLR interconnects, and each Ztron cable I added bought out more detail in the music. At some point I will probably upgrade the MIT ICs to Shunyata Anaconda balanced ICs.

http://www.shunyata.com/

B Run

I agree, if you're spending that much on gear you'll benefit from some MIT cables, those bowers are very revealing speakers.

RamZet

What about the AVT3? http://www.mitcables.com/legacy-products/speaker-interfaces/avt-3-speaker-cable.html
$150 less and the only difference is 8 poles Vs 10. ( so 2 less poles )

RamZet

boomhower Im going to disagree with you. I thought the same thing about the Mit AVT2 interconnects. I did a side by side comparison with my HOSA RCA cables,IXOS HDMI, Hosa optical, and Liberty cable ( braided shield + Teflon insulated + solid core). I could hear the difference. If it didnt make a difference I wouldnt be looking to dummp 500 + bucks into cables.

SolidSnake1988

I used to had those rca cheap speaker cables and once I made the switch I notice a big differece in my system. So to my ears speaker cables does make a big difference. Had both emotiva and MIT. Emotiva are good but once I switched to MIT terminator 2-better sound and detail. I know my MIT might not be high end speaker cable but I hope in the future i'll upgrade to the shotgun's.

B Run

If you're not wanting to spend a lot on cables, at least call your local dealer and see if they sell cable by the foot. Mine sells Kimber Kable 4pr for 3$ a foot, not a high end cable but you can get a 6' pair for $36 and it definitely sounds better than lamp cord or monster cable.

Geoff4rfc

Save your money, go blue jeans, work on room and speaker set up and amplify the crap out of those M70's.

ravaneli

As long as your speaker wire is short, there is no instrument known to man that will detect difference between all of these cables and the monoprice suggestion. That is a fact that I will go to the baricades with, regardless of what polk-forum-authority beats his hairy chest against it. No intrument, but there ARE, PEOPLE, that will think they hear difference.
I do NOT recommend monoprice though, judging by my impression of your disposable income. There is nothing wrong with good looking, well coated cable with solid well attached connectors. Aesthetics are a significant part of this hobby, at least for me, and working with good cables can be very pleasant. So go ahead and buy something reasonable, like Emotiva or similar, that does have some price premium but offer beautiful quality and craftsmanship that are worth the price difference

B Run

ravaneli wrote: »

As long as your speaker wire is short, there is no instrument known to man that will detect difference between all of these cables and the monoprice suggestion.

I have one, it's called my ears. I have personally heard an improvement as have MANY others, yes it's not proven and concrete enough for you but obviously if I didn't hear any improvement I would have returned my cables, as opposed to spending even more.

zingo

B Run wrote: »

I have one, it's called my ears.

That makes two of us!

Ebay is great for MIT cables. I would also consider DH Labs speakers cables with your B&Ws; nice speakers BTW.

ALWALLER

Per Ravaneli, not monoprice, but Blue Jean. Canare 4S11. Solid build, good sound.

RamZet

ravaneli wrote: »

As long as your speaker wire is short, there is no instrument known to man that will detect difference between all of these cables and the monoprice suggestion. That is a fact that I will go to the baricades with, regardless of what polk-forum-authority beats his hairy chest against it. No intrument, but there ARE, PEOPLE, that will think they hear difference.
I do NOT recommend monoprice though, judging by my impression of your disposable income. There is nothing wrong with good looking, well coated cable with solid well attached connectors. Aesthetics are a significant part of this hobby, at least for me, and working with good cables can be very pleasant. So go ahead and buy something reasonable, like Emotiva or similar, that does have some price premium but offer beautiful quality and craftsmanship that are worth the price difference

Disposable income! No, Im an A/V installer and Programmer. I can get stuff @ dealer prices : ) its an awesome perk to be able to get stuff at low prices.

polkfarmboy

Only folks who don't want to spend tend to argue that cables dont make a diff and that is a fact. I am very interested in the Shunyata brand and wonder what would be a good combo of ic's and spkr cables for some one seeking the best bang for the buck

teekay0007

polkfarmboy wrote: »

Only folks who don't want to spend tend to argue that cables dont make a diff and that is a fact. I am very interested in the Shunyata brand and wonder what would be a good combo of ic's and spkr cables for some one seeking the best bang for the buck

So what you're saying is that you don't want to spend? :razz:

RamZet

Lets not get off topic!
The OP (me) asked about different cables on the market ( mid grade and highend ) that will improve the sounds of my system. Lets keep debates about theory, fact, or opinion out of the thread please.

On a side not I was able to update my Marantz SSP with a Rotel RSP-1066 to match my Rotel Amp. So the setup has been altered a bit.

What I have gathered is that I do want a high end speaker cable for my soon to be CM9s because the Mitt interconnects I own sounded better to me at high volumes and the testimonials on the polk Mit Demo were consistant.
I looked at the Mit AVT3 and they are $150 bones less then the matching AVT2. I think I will pull the trigger on them. I would like to get the AVT2 but I will be Bi-Amping my speaker and I need four of these bad boys.

RamZet

The next step is placement. Is there an area of this Polk forum that could help me out with the placement of speakers.
OR maybe we can keep the ball rolling in this thread.
The room is about 14' X 17' with hard floors and an area rug. Speakers are on the smaller wall. From what I've read online I should keep the speakers off the wall by XX amount of feet?

F1nut

I suggest you research what bi-amping really is because that's not it. Buy one pair AVT2's and be done.

BlueFox

Ravaneli continues to spout without having a clue about which he speaks. Quote that.

Here is your science. Ignore it since it does not fit your fantasy world.

"The following square-wave measurements demonstrate objective results that correlate directly to improved cable performance. To put this in perspective, an amplifier manufacturer who achieved this level of improvement in square-wave response in would accurately proclaim a breakthrough in performance. To achieve this same degree of result with a signal conductor was thought to be impossible, until now."

http://www.shunyata.com/Content/technical-SignalTech.html

gdb

Uhhhh, just a small bit of advice, buying stuff off of ebay is a great way to potentially end up with counterfeit goods, fresh off the ship from China ! I recommend frequenting an authorized dealer to insure that you actually get what yer wanting, and paying for.

F1nut

Originally Posted by Codex
@F1nut - Did you actually read it?

Looks like Codex took his ball and went home. Oh well, at least that nonsense article disappeared with him.

pitdogg2

must of left with my post also....I tried to be nice:sad: in my statement to him....

RamZet

I dont think Codex took anything home or backed off because he/she felt they were incorrect but maybe they didnt reply because I asked for the name calling and debates to stop between all parties involved.

F1nut- You said I should look up what Bi-amping is. I know what Bi-amping is and I have internet access . Also I will not be Bi-amping with the gear I have now. I did say that "I will be Bi-amping". This was to imply that this was my long term goal (not clear on my part). So what ever cables I buy now I would have to buy again to keep things the same.
In the long run my goal is to have separate amps for each however I dont have the space for it now so it will have to wait a bit.

GDB- good advice! I do see that there is a market place on this site that will become available to me after 100+ post I would feel safe buying from a forum (if the forum user use Heatware.com, has good ebay feedback, and uses paypal ).

EndersShadow

RamZet wrote: »

I do see that there is a market place on this site that will become available to me after 100+ post I would feel safe buying from a forum (if the forum user use Heatware.com, has good ebay feedback, and uses paypal ).

There is and on that is a list of the number of sales between forum members on the site. Most do use paypal, but some (myself included) dont have ebay feedback or heatware.com feedback of substance.

RamZet

Back to F1nut.
What are your thoughts on active Bi-amping and Passive B-amping? Your post came off as rude and condescending. Maybe if you would elaborate a bit it could become useful and informing.

Im going to go the Passive way because the B&W cross overs are awesome and because I want my amps to work more efficiently with less distortion. Plus form my experience this setup sounds better to me then just one amp.

F1nut

RamZet wrote: »

I dont think Codex took anything home or backed off because he/she felt they were incorrect but maybe they didnt reply because I asked for the name calling and debates to stop between all parties involved.

He asked for his membership to be removed because he has thin skin. No one called him names.

F1nut- You said I should look up what Bi-amping is. I know what Bi-amping is and I have internet access . Also I will not be Bi-amping with the gear I have now. I did say that "I will be Bi-amping". This was to imply that this was my long term goal (not clear on my part). So what ever cables I buy now I would have to buy again to keep things the same.
In the long run my goal is to have separate amps for each however I dont have the space for it now so it will have to wait a bit.

Well, you did say, "*Rotel RMB will be Bi-amped to CM9 until I get a pair of Rotel Mono Block amps." I took that to mean what you wrote, but thanks for the clarification.