Hurricane Nuts on Tweeter?

audiocr381ve
audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
edited April 2013 in Vintage Speakers
I thought it appropriate to start a new thread regarding securing the tweeter with hurricane nuts. The tweeters in my Monitor 5's seem very secure already. Is it really worth the extra effort?

As I'm thinking through it, I can see why the woofer and PR would need to be more secure, but I don't see the tweeter needing to be more secure because it's not doing as much? I don't know, some advice would be great :)
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited September 2012
    Call it insurance, you don't have to worry about stripping the screws holes.
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited September 2012
    F1nut wrote: »
    Call it insurance, you don't have to worry about stripping the screws holes.

    Ahh okay, so no sonic differences I assume.

    I'm starting to warm up to you Mr. Nice Guy. Time has healed the wounds you left :D
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited September 2012
    Correct. Just be careful not to over torque the screws and crack the plastic bezel. One other thing, don't use cap screws on the tweeters, you need either flat head or oval head with an 82 degree undercut.

    Don't be a dick and I won't be a ****. :loneranger:
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited September 2012
    F1nut wrote: »
    Correct. Just be careful not to over torque the screws and crack the plastic bezel. One other thing, don't use cap screws on the tweeters, you need either flat head or oval head with an 82 degree undercut.

    Don't be a dick and I won't be a ****. :loneranger:

    Got it & fair enough :) Thanks again!
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited September 2012
    If you can't find the proper screws for the tweeters, I've got bags full. Be happy to send you some.
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  • StuartB
    StuartB Posts: 87
    edited September 2012
    I would also recommend adding Armacell gaskets as well.....I agree on the hurricane nuts adding extra insurance as well, the hurricane nuts are a great addition.

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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited September 2012
    Agree with the above - I used H-nuts for the tweeters in my 2.3TL's. The appropriate screws are oval head machine screws. I also used armacell for a good seal - works a treat.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2012
    F1nut wrote: »
    Don't be a dick and I won't be a ****. :loneranger:

    I think that has to go down as one of the all time best quotes I've ever seen on this forum. That's signature material right there!
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  • Moofy
    Moofy Posts: 102
    edited December 2012
    For SDA-2A's, will the 8-32 Hurricane nuts work, or do you suggest another size? Am I correct that I need 3/4" screws for the PR and MW, and 1" for the tweeters? Thanks.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited December 2012
    8-32 is the correct size for all SDA's. I'd suggest 1" screws for all.
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited December 2012
    I use the 1" 8-32 black oxide coated stainless steel machine screws. They're a dead ringer for the sheetmetal screws Polk used originally, and keeps them stock looking
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  • Alwishus
    Alwishus Posts: 58
    edited April 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    Correct. Just be careful not to over torque the screws and crack the plastic bezel. One other thing, don't use cap screws on the tweeters, you need either flat head or oval head with an 82 degree undercut.

    Don't be a dick and I won't be a ****. :loneranger:

    F1- I wasn't sure if the bezel was metal or plastic, so you answered it for me. I was in the same mindset as Audiocr381ve on this thinking that the tweets snugged in pretty dang good. However, if those bezels are plastic, then I should replace them.

    Question: How do you get those bezels out...drill em out?
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited April 2013
    I'm not sure what you mean by replacing the bezels or what you mean by getting them out.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited April 2013
    I think he is referring to the screw in threaded inserts. But I'm not sure..
  • Alwishus
    Alwishus Posts: 58
    edited April 2013
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    I think he is referring to the screw in threaded inserts. But I'm not sure..

    Toolfan is correct. There are threaded inserts supporting the tweeters.
  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited April 2013
    They will screw out with the correct size Allen wrench..
  • Alwishus
    Alwishus Posts: 58
    edited April 2013
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    They will screw out with the correct size Allen wrench..

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited April 2013
    The bezel is the faceplate of the tweeter that the four screws go thru to attach it to the cabinet. You cannot replace the bezel, so I'm still not sure what you are up to.
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  • Alwishus
    Alwishus Posts: 58
    edited April 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    The bezel is the faceplate of the tweeter that the four screws go thru to attach it to the cabinet. You cannot replace the bezel, so I'm still not sure what you are up to.

    Good to know F1. While I was pulling a tweeter out to inspect the area, I realized that the tweeter mounting holes had threaded sleeves (thought that's what you meant by bezels). I'm going to install Hurricane Nuts and wanted to see what I was up against. I want to make sure that I can remove them without issue.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited April 2013
    Since you already have threaded inserts, there is no point in replacing them with Hurricane nuts.
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  • Alwishus
    Alwishus Posts: 58
    edited April 2013
    Is that normal on stock SDA SRSs? I was thinking they seem pretty snug.
    F1nut wrote: »
    Since you already have threaded inserts, there is no point in replacing them with Hurricane nuts.
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,490
    edited April 2013
    Alwishus wrote: »
    Is that normal on stock SDA SRSs? I was thinking they seem pretty snug.

    It was normal, at least on the original (1985 model) SDA-SRS speakers I had. They weren't foolproof. If the screws that went into them were over torqued the insert itself could strip the wood. That had happened to a couple of the inserts in the woofer on my speakers before I bought them. Not sure why Polk stopped using the inserts in later SRS models though.

    If I still had the SDA-SRS with the threaded inserts I'd only mess around with them if installing "Larry's Rings", or replacing any of the inserts that may be loose or already stripped. Replacing inserts that are still stable with hurricane nuts could lead to more problems.
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited April 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    You cannot replace the bezel, so I'm still not sure what you are up to.

    Toolfan66 was supposed to make us some aluminum replacement tweeter bezels. How's that coming?:wink:
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  • TennMan
    TennMan Posts: 1,266
    edited April 2013
    I just finished installing h-nuts in my 2Bs. I installed the h-nuts in the holes for the tweeters and the binding posts.

    When I installed h-nuts in my 10Bs I didn't like the looks of the edge of the h-nut flange hanging out in the holes where the drivers go in. This time I removed the side of the flange so they don't hang over the inside edge of the holes. It takes a little more time but it makes a much better looking job. Does anyone else do that?

    I know Larry's rings would be a better solution but I'm on a tight budget and I have lots of time on my hands.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited April 2013
    Toolfan66 was supposed to make us some aluminum replacement tweeter bezels. How's that coming?:wink:

    Yeah Larry, how is that coming along? :twisted:
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited April 2013
    Toolfan66 was supposed to make us some aluminum replacement tweeter bezels. How's that coming?:wink:
    F1nut wrote: »
    Yeah Larry, how is that coming along? :twisted:


    :cheesygrin: to be honest I put this on the shelf a long time ago due to the machine shop being so busy, and I forgot about it..

    Humm might be time to revisit it..
  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
    edited April 2013
    TennMan I also cut down the flange on some of the h-nuts I installed on my SRS 2s but it was out of necessity and not cosmetic reasons. The SRS 2s have a cabinet brace immediately below the bottom mws. I could not get the h-nuts to install in the proper position without grinding down the buttom portion of the h-nut flange as you show in your pic. On the plus side this keeps the h-nuts from spinning.

    I'm sure this has already been covered many times but something I found helpful to properly seating the h-nuts was to put a little super-glue on the OD of the threaded portion and the flange. I would put the h-hunt in position and then use the screws and a flat washer to pull the h-nuts into the cabinet by tightening the screw. I have never had a problem with the h-nuts coming loose when installed in this manner.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited April 2013
    I would put the h-hunt in position and then use the screws and a flat washer to pull the h-nuts into the cabinet by tightening the screw. I have never had a problem with the h-nuts coming loose when installed in this manner.

    That is exactly how they should be installed.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited April 2013
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    :cheesygrin: to be honest I put this on the shelf a long time ago due to the machine shop being so busy, and I forgot about it..

    Humm might be time to revisit it..

    I thought Ray was joking.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,442
    edited April 2013
    Toolfan66 was supposed to make us some aluminum replacement tweeter bezels. How's that coming?:wink:
    F1nut wrote: »
    Yeah Larry, how is that coming along? :twisted:
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    :cheesygrin: to be honest I put this on the shelf a long time ago due to the machine shop being so busy, and I forgot about it..

    Humm might be time to revisit it..
    F1nut wrote: »
    I thought Ray was joking.

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