Need speakers for movies only

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  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited August 2012
    For h/t and on the inexpensive which is different than cheap would be the Klipsch h/d 500 set .For my 18x14 living room they do fine.Also they come w/ their own mounting hardware or appliable rubber feet depending whether you hang or table them.The RF series is very intense if you have the room.
    2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E

    H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-

    Bdrm- Nikko 6065 receiver- JBL -G-200s--Pioneer 305 headphones--Sony CE375-5 disc
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited August 2012
    Here is an interesting thread to check out:

    http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.com/post/JTR-replaces-Revels-in-Home-Theater-3381992

    This guy upgraded (his words) from an all Revel Ultima Salon HT with JL fathoms to JTR triple 12s with JTR Captivators. It seems like you'r looking to spend the money, I think you should check these out. Also, if you need more first hand experience, bsoko has a sweet 7ch setup using the quintuples
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited August 2012
    Drenis wrote: »
    I'm surprised no one's mentioned JBL...

    i did
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited September 2012
    Difficult to escape music in movies. Movies often have lots of music, as the score is full of both songs and ambient music/noise. So it stands to reason, from my perspective, that if you purchase speakers that sound poor from a musical standpoint, you might be making a mistake. Having said that, I just replaced a Wharfedale Diamond theater setup that is quite good musically but didn't have the "sparkle" and detail that I felt was missing. So I purchased the Definitive Technology SM55s for my front 3 in a 3.2 setup. Now these are fantastic home theater monitors for the price. Both detailed and dynamic for theater applications, but also musically pleasing. And they have to be musically pleasing, because television and movies are full of music.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
    TV Source: DirecTV Genie
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited September 2012
    Loud & Clear wrote: »
    Difficult to escape music in movies. Movies often have lots of music, as the score is full of both songs and ambient music/noise. So it stands to reason, from my perspective, that if you purchase speakers that sound poor from a musical standpoint, you might be making a mistake. Having said that, I just replaced a Wharfedale Diamond theater setup that is quite good musically but didn't have the "sparkle" and detail that I felt was missing. So I purchased the Definitive Technology SM55s for my front 3 in a 3.2 setup. Now these are fantastic home theater monitors for the price. Both detailed and dynamic for theater applications, but also musically pleasing. And they have to be musically pleasing, because television and movies are full of music.

    I think perhaps you misunderstand the difference between speakers geared toward film or music, which is common.
    Obviously there is a lot of music in movies, but almost invariably it has been mixed for multi channel, and the way you experience music in a film is much different than the way you experience it in stereo setting. Music, effect, dialog, etc is reinforcement for what is happening on the screen. Stereo has to imply what is happening on a screen. stereo speakers are voiced in pleasing tones, and engineered to sound a certain way, emphasizing this and masking that.

    Have you ever heard someone talk about a theaters "tubey goodness", or warm presentation, or thick midrange? no, that stuff is the domain of hi-fi. In a theater, coherence, dynamics, impact, and clarity are king.
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited September 2012
    I'm quite certain that motion picture tracks are mixed differently, as is multi-channel sacd & dvd-a. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that there's a great speaker or subwoofer out there, that I would want anyway, that is perfect for movies but that is also a musical abomination. I don't believe that such a speaker or subwoofer exists. Music and musical scores share enough of the same qualities such that they would demand similar attributes in speaker systems. But that's been my experience, and everyone is entitled to their own experience. But I don't think I would be interested in a speaker system designed solely for bombast that lacks articulation and air, or a subwoofer designed solely for depth and volume, while sacrificing control and definition. I want as close as I can get to having the best of both worlds.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
    TV Source: DirecTV Genie
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited September 2012
    Loud & Clear wrote: »
    I'm quite certain that motion picture tracks are mixed differently, as is multi-channel sacd & dvd-a. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that there's a great speaker or subwoofer out there, that I would want anyway, that is perfect for movies but that is also a musical abomination. I don't believe that such a speaker or subwoofer exists. Music and musical scores share enough of the same qualities such that they would demand similar attributes in speaker systems. But that's been my experience, and everyone is entitled to their own experience. But I don't think I would be interested in a speaker system designed solely for bombast that lacks articulation and air, or a subwoofer designed solely for depth and volume, while sacrificing control and definition. I want as close as I can get to having the best of both worlds.

    Audio gets very merky when using all these relative quantifiers. If you get a speaker that you love for music, it is likely going to sound good for film. And the inverse is also true. However, it's not very likely that the speaker will exhibit the same qualitative relative performance in the opposite use. itl be good for film but not as excellent as it was for music. The OP raised the question, although somewhat spuriously, about speakers for "movies only." You can try and split hairs and say that there is music in the movie so you need a good "musical" speaker, but that is simply not the case. You say you want the best of both worlds, fine. But the original point was movies only, and my whole contention is that most the speakers being mentioned for home theater are dual purpose, and not ideal for, again, ONLY movies.
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited September 2012
    L&C, Seeing as how you are in SE Michigan, I think you should do yourself a huge service and pay a visit to Dr. Earl Geddes of GedLee, Inc. in Northville, MI. If for nothing else, you will get to see another perspective in the audio world. It's nice to step back and see the forest every once and a while.
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited September 2012
    Well after all my searching and reading and a few demo's I think I may just go with another rti setup. I really love the cabinets on the cherry rtia series so now I have to find a good price. I have decided to share the HT area and will put in a little bar behind the back row of seats so the decor of the room can no longer be a black hole. The rtia will match the wood trim I will be doing so if anyone knows a good place to score rtia's I'm all ears
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  • chiptouz
    chiptouz Posts: 152
    edited September 2012
    Great Choice. I love my rti setup and most online here that have the same do too.
    Sharp LC-80uq17u
    Denon 4520ci Receiver
    OPPO BDP-203 Blu-Ray Disc Player
    Monster HTS 3600
    Polk RTi-a7 (fronts)
    Polk CSi-a6 (Center)
    Polk TC-60i (Rear & Surround Rear)
    HSU Research VTF3-MK4 (Sub)
    Logitech Harmony elite (Remote)
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited September 2012
    Klipsch are extremely hard to beat for a theater system. They are crazy dynamic and very live sounding. Some of my best work had Klipsch speakers. There subs are awesome 2 so you can go full klipsch. Just pick the ones you like and your set , they are all good from entry level to top of the line.

    Definitive Technology speakers are also incredible for theater. I basically just do them now and with wonderful results. Everyone is blown away when I run the first demo. The clarity , dynamic range and force is unmatched at their price ranges. Klipsch is the only brand that can rival them for theater use. Want better? Spend alot more.
    You also can use Def Tech subs, they are amazingly punchy and fast. For theater use they will blow your room apart. Get 2 as I always suggest 2 subs as it fills the room better then just one. Pick any Def Tech series and be happy.

    These are the 2 best choices for what you want.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited September 2012
    mantis wrote: »
    Klipsch are extremely hard to beat for a theater system. They are crazy dynamic and very live sounding. Some of my best work had Klipsch speakers. There subs are awesome 2 so you can go full klipsch. Just pick the ones you like and your set , they are all good from entry level to top of the line.

    Definitive Technology speakers are also incredible for theater. I basically just do them now and with wonderful results. Everyone is blown away when I run the first demo. The clarity , dynamic range and force is unmatched at their price ranges. Klipsch is the only brand that can rival them for theater use. Want better? Spend alot more.
    You also can use Def Tech subs, they are amazingly punchy and fast. For theater use they will blow your room apart. Get 2 as I always suggest 2 subs as it fills the room better then just one. Pick any Def Tech series and be happy.

    These are the 2 best choices for what you want.

    My main turnoff from the klipsch was that the large rc 64 2 center only matched the rf7 2 towers. Have you had any experience with other klipsch centers and were they any good?
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  • nhhiep
    nhhiep Posts: 877
    edited September 2012
    what is wrong with the RC64? that is one kickass center. I tried smaller center from klipsch before and they sound very dynamic.

    yes, Deftech is very good for HT too. but their subs aren't worth the money though. They pretty much lie to you about the spec. I have one of their big sub, Supercube 1, and it is pretty dead below 30hz.

    for the same money, for HT, I would take Klipsch and Deftech over Polk Rti. The only reason why I am still using my Rti system now is because I bought the set cheap and don't have time to resell it
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,990
    edited September 2012
    I'm w/L&C on sound contour.

    While on vaca, saw Dark Knight rises. Really enjoyed the movie & the sound track dynamics but... ...any sort of munitions discharge was downright painful to the point I had to anticipate that to jam my fingers in my ears. Sound system had the same "contouring" common in HT systems including polk.

    I've experimented:
    1. LR, center & surrounds defeated.
    2. 30 year old pair of Kefs, center & surrounds defeated.
    3. PEQ'd LR to sound like those smoother Kefs, center & surrounds defeated.
    I found no loss in presence, w/far less listening fatigue. Looking forward to birthday Saturday to get everyone out of the house to continue/complete the work to tri-amp my LR, and if time permits, CC, too.

    Shaloam, Tony
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED, Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside BJC 10 ga: LCR mids “Foamed & Plugged**”, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered **Rob the Man (Xschop) LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & Mids - 981, connected w/Monoprice Premiere ICs
    Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6 Surrounds: Premiere ICs ->Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3. 5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”. Power Conditioning & Distribution: 4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s
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