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nicolas606
nicolas606 Posts: 7
Which is the best type of wire for RTiA9 :biggrin:

Regards
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited August 2012
    There's many to choose from, how much do you want to spend? How many feet do you need?
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  • nicolas606
    nicolas606 Posts: 7
    edited August 2012
    I don't know maybe 25 feet for both and for the price I don't have anything in my head I just want to see what people on the forum think which is the best and after i'm gonna make a choice. Also I would like to know which type of gauge
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited August 2012
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,197
    edited August 2012
    http://www.mitcables.com/available-online/shotgun-s3.3-speaker-cable.html

    This is what I would choose based on your general criteria. I own the 8' shotgun S3's and they are fantastic.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,983
    edited August 2012
    Nicolas,

    Pretty broad question there my friend, wire comes in many flavors that only your ears can judge. Budget cables, mid level, expensive and ubber expensive. As a good quality, good sounding, reasonably priced cable goes, you'd do yourself fine with Signal cable or Blue Jeans cable to start off with. When your wallet allows, move up to any of 40+ different cable companies like Audioquest, MIT, Morrow, Kimber, and the list can go on. Check out Audiogon. com for some good prices too.
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    Sony 4k BRP
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    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • decal
    decal Posts: 3,205
    edited August 2012
    There is no definitive "best" of anything. There are way too many variables involved. The "best" you can hope for is to find something that works well in your system. You can then say it's the "best" for you until you find something you think is better !!!!
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
  • fbm211
    fbm211 Posts: 1,488
    edited August 2012
    I use DH Labs Q-10 signature.
    A mid level cost with a Hi Quality sound.
    I purchased it direct from DH Labs in the raw and cut and terminated it myself to save a few bucks.
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  • HTguru1982
    HTguru1982 Posts: 1,066
    edited August 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    http://www.mitcables.com/available-online/shotgun-s3.3-speaker-cable.html

    This is what I would choose based on your general criteria. I own the 8' shotgun S3's and they are fantastic.

    H9

    His speakers cost less than that. Maybe if he had just spent $10,000 on a pair of speakers then maybe he would benefit from these.

    Unless you've got high, HIGH end speakers, there's no need to spend a fortune on speaker cables IMO. Any of these should be fine for your speakers.

    http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=100-021
    http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MCMCX1SGSC15/Monster-Cable-Mcx1s-M-Series-Speaker-Cable-15ft-each/1.html
    http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MCU2s60040/MONSTER-CABLE-S600-40-40ft-Thx-Speaker-Cable-w/Time-Correct-Windings/1.html
    http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/IXOSXASW611T/IXOS-GT-High-Performance-11ga-Speaker-Wire/1.html
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2012
    HTguru1982 wrote: »
    Unless you've got high, HIGH end speakers, there's no need to spend a fortune on speaker cables.

    That is an interesting idea. I wonder if lower cost speakers have untapped potential that better cables can reveal. If so then the money isn't wasted since the current system is now better, and the foundation is in place for future upgrades.
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  • teekay0007
    teekay0007 Posts: 2,289
    edited August 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    http://www.mitcables.com/available-online/shotgun-s3.3-speaker-cable.html

    This is what I would choose based on your general criteria. I own the 8' shotgun S3's and they are fantastic.

    H9

    Yeah, this sounds great! I bet he jumps right on it. For the lengths the OP is asking about, $2700 cables (:eek:) won't even cover it. Well done, H9!
  • PolkieMan
    PolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited August 2012
    POLK SDA 2.3 TLS BOUGHT NEW IN 1990, Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-198
    POLK CSI-A6 POLK MONITOR 70'S ONKYO TX NR-808 SONY CDP-333ES
    PIONEER PL-510A SONY BDP S5100
    POLK SDA 1C BOUGHT USED 2011,Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-194
    ONKYO HT RC-360 SONY BDP S590 TECHNICS SL BD-1
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,983
    edited August 2012
    teekay0007 wrote: »
    Yeah, this sounds great! I bet he jumps right on it. For the lengths the OP is asking about, $2700 cables (:eek:) won't even cover it. Well done, H9!

    Mit has many lines that vary in price, not all their cables are super expensive.

    I can never understand these cable threads. It's either monoprice or you don't need super expensive cables.....nothing inbetween. There are hundreds of cable companies offering all sorts to fit anyone's wallet.

    OP,
    Maybe check the signatures of other members here to get an idea of what others are using as a guide. There is no "best" cable, only a cable that suits your ears and compliments your gear. Signal cable is a great place to start on your cable journey and if you tell Frank over there your a Polk member, he's likely to throw you a discount too. Good luck to you and congrats on the speakers.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,593
    edited August 2012
    Some midgrade suggestions off the top of my head:

    SignalCable (we get a discount as Polk members)
    Blue Jeans Cable
    Kimber Kable 4VS
    Audioquest Type 4
    DouglasConnection (forum member here who makes custom cables)
    the list goes on and on

    I look at it this way. Take the cost of your speakers and put at in cables at least worth 10% of that to start with. The suggestions above are by no means super highly priced but they ARE better than monoprice. Do yourself a favor and try em out.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,197
    edited August 2012
    teekay0007 wrote: »
    Yeah, this sounds great! I bet he jumps right on it. For the lengths the OP is asking about, $2700 cables (:eek:) won't even cover it. Well done, H9!

    Apparently you didn't get the sarcasm in my post and/or you read into the OP's post something that wasn't there. I answered strictly based on what he posted. He gives ZERO criteria about what he's looking for and what he is willing to spend. YOU jumped to the conclusion he wanted something entry level, I didn't. Not to mention these are similar to the cables I use and they are fantastic. So thanks for "well done" comment, I thought it was a great suggestion too.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • HTguru1982
    HTguru1982 Posts: 1,066
    edited August 2012
    To the OP, Monoprice sells decent stuff but be aware that it may oxidize(turn green) in less than a year. I purchased some 14 ga wire from them a few years back and that's exactly what happened.

    EndersShadow mentioned spending allotting 10% of your budget on speaker wire and I think that's a good number to start with. Blue Jeans Cable, Signal Cable, etc are all good companies to buy from. I still think Accessories For Less is a great place to get gear/cable for cheap.
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    Kenwood KM-894(surrounds)
    Fronts: NHT 2.5
    Center: NHT VS-1.2A
    Surrounds: NHT Super One
    Subwoofer: SVS PB10-ISD
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,654
    edited August 2012
    HTguru1982 wrote: »
    His speakers cost less than that. Maybe if he had just spent $10,000 on a pair of speakers then maybe he would benefit from these.

    Unless you've got high, HIGH end speakers, there's no need to spend a fortune on speaker cables IMO.

    The $1000.00 speakers in my office rig are hooked up with $3000.00 speaker cables. The improvements in sound quality over "cheap" cable made it worth every penny.
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  • Remo
    Remo Posts: 10
    edited August 2012
    12AWG copper wire is all you need, its about $0.60 per foot , anything else is just marketing fluff and complete waste of money.

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  • PolkieMan
    PolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited August 2012
    Hey I checked out Accessories For Less that is now on my bookmark, thanks.:cheesygrin:
    You made me go check my wires on my SDA1C from monoprice:eek:
    They are not green but I will be watching.
    On my 2.3 tls I have original Kimbercable from 1989 the orange and black braid kind.
    Now I think that there is no reason to use any better speaker wire than what is inside your speakers of course you want good cable and big enough gauge from the length of your runs so as to not add resistance but that is IMHO.
    I just think all copper 12ga should be plenty good.
    HTguru1982 wrote: »
    To the OP, Monoprice sells decent stuff but be aware that it may oxidize(turn green) in less than a year. I purchased some 14 ga wire from them a few years back and that's exactly what happened.

    EndersShadow mentioned spending allotting 10% of your budget on speaker wire and I think that's a good number to start with. Blue Jeans Cable, Signal Cable, etc are all good companies to buy from. I still think Accessories For Less is a great place to get gear/cable for cheap.
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    POLK CSI-A6 POLK MONITOR 70'S ONKYO TX NR-808 SONY CDP-333ES
    PIONEER PL-510A SONY BDP S5100
    POLK SDA 1C BOUGHT USED 2011,Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-194
    ONKYO HT RC-360 SONY BDP S590 TECHNICS SL BD-1
  • PolkieMan
    PolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited August 2012
    How much did you all spend on the end connectors, banana plugs? Some of us don't even have an office :wink:

    F1nut wrote: »
    The $1000.00 speakers in my office rig are hooked up with $3000.00 speaker cables. The improvements in sound quality over "cheap" cable made it worth every penny.
    POLK SDA 2.3 TLS BOUGHT NEW IN 1990, Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-198
    POLK CSI-A6 POLK MONITOR 70'S ONKYO TX NR-808 SONY CDP-333ES
    PIONEER PL-510A SONY BDP S5100
    POLK SDA 1C BOUGHT USED 2011,Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-194
    ONKYO HT RC-360 SONY BDP S590 TECHNICS SL BD-1
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,654
    edited August 2012
    Remo wrote: »
    12AWG copper wire is all you need, its about $0.60 per foot , anything else is just marketing fluff and complete waste of money.

    So, you have no personal experience with quailty cable and would rather believe some article than actually trying it for yourself, which of course means your opinion is without merit.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,654
    edited August 2012
    PolkieMan wrote: »
    Now I think that there is no reason to use any better speaker wire than what is inside your speakers

    A common misconception.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,654
    edited August 2012
    PolkieMan wrote: »
    How much did you all spend on the end connectors, banana plugs?

    They came with the cables.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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    President of Club Polk

  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,448
    edited August 2012
    F1nut wrote: »
    The $1000.00 speakers in my office rig are hooked up with $3000.00 speaker cables. The improvements in sound quality over "cheap" cable made it worth every penny.

    Imagine how much better things would sound if you spent 3k on speakers and 1k on cables.:razz:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,448
    edited August 2012
    Remo wrote: »
    12AWG copper wire is all you need, its about $0.60 per foot , anything else is just marketing fluff and complete waste of money.

    groundrules.jpg

    This entire article is complete BS. When the author of this crap can state that tubes are for "tweako cultists" and thet "tubes are for ****", he clearly shows his bias and lack of any experience with the subject. There is so much garbage out there these days, and a shame that so many start drinking the koolaid without ever learning for themselves.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2012
    This entire article is complete BS. When the author of this crap can state that tubes are for "tweako cultists" and thet "tubes are for ****", he clearly shows his bias and lack of any experience with the subject. There is so much garbage out there these days, and a shame that so many start drinking the koolaid without ever learning for themselves.

    That screenshot article exactly mirrors Ravioli's philosophy. He must have read it, and since it agrees with his opinion, it must be true. Interestingly, there is not a single fact, or data, in that page. Everything said is opinion.
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    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,448
    edited August 2012
    yeah it does.. and a very short google search of the author of that piece of trash confirms my speculations as well. Peter Aczel did a glowing review for a speaker without disclosing that he also owned the company that made the speaker! Turns out the speaker was really crapola and the speaker company went belly up. His publication, "The Audio Critic" is also belly up, though it does exist as a little visited "web-zine", dedicated to the cultist snobs that believe cheap gear is as good as or better than expensive gear and cables don't matter.

    What a reputable source to use for basing an opinion. :rolleyes:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,654
    edited August 2012
    Imagine how much better things would sound if you spent 3k on speakers and 1k on cables.:razz:

    No guarantee on that one. Due to location I can only use monitors and they need to perform well close to the back wall. That pretty much rules out rear ported designs. I ended up with a sealed design that does a solid 38Hz.
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited August 2012
    Let your EARS be the judge! My Shotgun S1's said it all. End Of Story.
    Michael ;)
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  • acmf74
    acmf74 Posts: 936
    edited August 2012
    Lasareath wrote: »
    Nicolas,

    If I had a pair of those speakers I'd use something from this site: http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

    Or this site: http://signalcable.com/ultraspeaker.html

    Click those links, read up on them and you pick one that you like the most.

    Hook them up and enjoy.

    Nobody can tell you which speaker cables are the best unless they can hear with your ears.

    Lasareath

    Agreed!

    I personally use Siganl Cable and Bluejeans for the past few years. Both companies make excellent products for a resonable price AND are excellent to work with.