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Actualy I have personal experience with the overpriced gimmick cable so many swear by.So, you have no personal experience with quailty cable and would rather believe some article than actually trying it for yourself, which of course means your opinion is without merit.
My friend was one of those sheep not so long ago, that was untill I swaped out his over priced interconects and speaker cable with monoprice interconects and some 12AWG copper wire, this was with out his knowing. He never noticed , I told him a week later to look behind his AV rack. WOW was he suprised and a bit pissed.... not at me but at himself for falling for the high dollar cable scams.JasonLIVING ROOM| Onkyo TX-NR1009 (avr) | Modified PS3 Fat | Modified Wii | Roku 2XD | Mitsubishi WD60737 (DLP TV) |
| Polk Audio Monitor 70 (mains) | Polk Audio CS2 (center) | Sony SSF-6000 (surrounds) | 2 Polk Audio PSW505 (subs) | -
What a crock!
Even if that was true, it wasn't on your rig, so you still lack personal experience and furthermore, if you did that to one of my rigs, you wouldn't be able to type again for the rest of your miserable life.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
What a crock!
Even if that was true, it wasn't on your rig, so you still lack personal experience and furthermore, if you did that to one of my rigs, you wouldn't be able to type again for the rest of your miserable life.
Yes that story wasn't about my rig, but we did take his overpriced cables and put them on my rig later to see if they would do anything on my "budget equipment"..... yeah no difference there either.
Anyway if people want to spend a bunch of money on interconects and speaker cable they are free to do so.... But I won't recommend it to anyone... and that I am free to do so.JasonLIVING ROOM| Onkyo TX-NR1009 (avr) | Modified PS3 Fat | Modified Wii | Roku 2XD | Mitsubishi WD60737 (DLP TV) |
| Polk Audio Monitor 70 (mains) | Polk Audio CS2 (center) | Sony SSF-6000 (surrounds) | 2 Polk Audio PSW505 (subs) | -
Anyway if people want to spend a bunch of money on interconects and speaker cable they are free to do so
Thank you. That is very kind of you. To have the blessing of such an experienced audio god is gratifying.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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You want to know why I know your story is a crock? You would have been shouting the name of those cables as loud as you could. Instead all you could come up with is "overpriced cables". PffftPolitical Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
These would be a good start-
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?134710-3-10-foot-MIT-EXp2-Speaker-cables -
Or these if you need longer lengths-
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?134717-MIT-EXP2-speaker-cables -
My 4 dollar wire from True Value Hardware was a Poor performer as it turned green. I don't like green speaker wire.
My $3.95 speaker wire I got from Home Depot is much better. It's a RCA Spool. It's not green either so it's not coloring my music.
So I can testify that wire does matter. Next time I buy wire I am encouraged to spend more than $3.95. -
Audioquest Midnight series cables are nice and can be had off of flea pay for good prices
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Here's 100' 12 ga under $30! includes shipping!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/100FT-High-Quality-12-Gauge-Ga-Awg-Speaker-Cable-Wire-/160868993314?_trksid=p4340.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D1537483313151578344%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D4%26
100' 10 ga about $73 including shipping.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-FT-30m-High-Definition-10-Gauge-Speaker-Wire-Cable-/360180131301?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item53dc68a5e5Samsung 60" QN65Q7FAMFXZA QLED, Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro, Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer
Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside
BJC 10 ga - LCR mids “Foamed” & “Plugged**”, inside* & out
8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out
*soldered **Rob the Man (Xschop)
LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels*. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & Mids - RB981*
Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981* -> Bi-amped CSi A6
Surrounds: Rotel 981* -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
*all connected w/Premiere ICs
5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”
Power Conditioning & Distribution:
4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s -
Just remember that any 100% ofc copper speaker wire will be better than the stuff the mfr uses to wire up the drivers in the cabinet. Try this place http://www.douglasconnection.com/"Thats great... but how does it sound"
http://www.burginmcdaniel.com/
http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_burgin_mcdaniel_komit/
Yamaha RX-A820 (networked with wireless bridge), Carver M-1.0t, Carver TFM-35, Carver C-1, Polk SDA1c's (x2 pair), Polk RTA 8tl's, Polk RTA 11tl's, Polk Monitor 5, Polk CS 400, Polk PSW 650, Rega Planar 3, Sony DVPNC555ES SACD/DVD, Panny 65" Plasma, Roku
2007 Tundra 5.7 TRD DC
Pioneer DEH-80PRS
Polk SR6500
SI BM 12" subs
Zed Gladius
Zed Deuce -
mesquitehead wrote: »Just remember that any 100% ofc copper speaker wire will be better than the stuff the mfr uses to wire up the drivers in the cabinet. Try this place http://www.douglasconnection.com/
Might be true in some cases, but not all. Regardless, improving the signal path can be done at any of the steps the signal takes. There's more to it all than a simple cheap wire in a speaker.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
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Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Build them yourself for a fraction of what the golden gods of cables want to charge for their "magic" wire. http://www.douglasconnection.com/"Thats great... but how does it sound"
http://www.burginmcdaniel.com/
http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_burgin_mcdaniel_komit/
Yamaha RX-A820 (networked with wireless bridge), Carver M-1.0t, Carver TFM-35, Carver C-1, Polk SDA1c's (x2 pair), Polk RTA 8tl's, Polk RTA 11tl's, Polk Monitor 5, Polk CS 400, Polk PSW 650, Rega Planar 3, Sony DVPNC555ES SACD/DVD, Panny 65" Plasma, Roku
2007 Tundra 5.7 TRD DC
Pioneer DEH-80PRS
Polk SR6500
SI BM 12" subs
Zed Gladius
Zed Deuce -
mesquitehead wrote: »Build them yourself for a fraction of what the golden gods of cables want to charge for their "magic" wire. http://www.douglasconnection.com/
Great. Another no-nothing spammer linking a web site. :rolleyes:Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
FWIW, I just put in MIT EXP S2 cables purchased here from PSOVLSK and they sound is amaaaaaayyyy-zing. The most obvious improvement is the soundstage, which is noticeably wider.
Now for confession time... I was using off-the-spool Radio Shack wire prior to the MIT cable, so I guess it's not surprising there was an improvement.
Nevertheless, the MIT's have made me a true believer. So... anyone know where I can find a similarly great deal on some comparable interconnects? :question:“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
- Isaac Asimov
Hi-Fi
Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> Odyssey Khartargo Mono Plus --> LSiM-705's
Cabling by Groneberg
Visuals
https://media.illinois.edu/journalism/ledford-charles-stretch
bit.ly/stretchonphotojournalism
http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto -
mesquitehead wrote: »Build them yourself for a fraction of what the golden gods of cables want to charge for their "magic" wire. http://www.douglasconnection.com/Great. Another no-nothing spammer linking a web site. :rolleyes:
Actually in this case its a good link. Thats a fellow Polkie's website (helipilotdoug). He makes custom interconnects, speaker cables, etc. Buy from DouglasConnection with confidence. I have talked to him on the phone at lenght and hes a good guy.
His cables (IC's and SC's) gets some VERY good reviews from some of the guys at the CarverAudio forum."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
Nevertheless, the MIT's have made me a true believer. So... anyone know where I can find a similarly great deal on some comparable interconnects? :question:
Well the EXp1 or EXp2 would be what I looked for, I just sold my set of 5 2m cables to vcwatkins but I am sure there are some floating around :biggrin:."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
So are there objective tests and criteria for cables, speaker wire, and interconnects? Or is it merely personal preference?
I've always "heard" that for some things, like digital interconnects (e.g. HDMI cables) there is no reason to buy expensive products. Digital data is 1's and 0's, and the expensive monster cable has absolutely zero benefit relative to monoprice.
So is there an objective way to determine if one cable is "better" than another?Polk Fronts: RTi A7's
Polk Center: CSi A6
Polk Surrounds: FXi A6's
Polk Rear Surround: RTi4
Sub: HSU VTF-3 (MK1)
AVR: Yamaha RX-A2010
B&K Reference 200.7
TV: Sharp LC-70LE847U
Oppo BDP-103 -
mesquitehead wrote: »Build them yourself for a fraction of what the golden gods of cables want to charge for their "magic" wire. http://www.douglasconnection.com/
You do realize his cables are re-badged Belden wire, right?
I see where you recently learned that bi-amping off an AVR isn't really bi-amping, so has it occurred to you that you still have much to learn about cable?Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Might do some investigation before making statements such as the one above.Great. Another no-nothing spammer linking a web site. :rolleyes:
Just trying to help my Polk brothers out amigo."Thats great... but how does it sound"
http://www.burginmcdaniel.com/
http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_burgin_mcdaniel_komit/
Yamaha RX-A820 (networked with wireless bridge), Carver M-1.0t, Carver TFM-35, Carver C-1, Polk SDA1c's (x2 pair), Polk RTA 8tl's, Polk RTA 11tl's, Polk Monitor 5, Polk CS 400, Polk PSW 650, Rega Planar 3, Sony DVPNC555ES SACD/DVD, Panny 65" Plasma, Roku
2007 Tundra 5.7 TRD DC
Pioneer DEH-80PRS
Polk SR6500
SI BM 12" subs
Zed Gladius
Zed Deuce -
EndersShadow wrote: »Well the EXp1 or EXp2 would be what I looked for, I just sold my set of 5 2m cables to vcwatkins but I am sure there are some floating around :biggrin:.
I almost jumped on those, Dan. 2m is a bit long for me. Now, if they were 6.56168 feet, that would've been another story. :biggrin:“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
- Isaac Asimov
Hi-Fi
Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> Odyssey Khartargo Mono Plus --> LSiM-705's
Cabling by Groneberg
Visuals
https://media.illinois.edu/journalism/ledford-charles-stretch
bit.ly/stretchonphotojournalism
http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto -
F1nut, I was simply trying to get by till my Carver amps were repaired. I know a bit but don't claim to be an audio god. Thanks for enlightening me."Thats great... but how does it sound"
http://www.burginmcdaniel.com/
http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_burgin_mcdaniel_komit/
Yamaha RX-A820 (networked with wireless bridge), Carver M-1.0t, Carver TFM-35, Carver C-1, Polk SDA1c's (x2 pair), Polk RTA 8tl's, Polk RTA 11tl's, Polk Monitor 5, Polk CS 400, Polk PSW 650, Rega Planar 3, Sony DVPNC555ES SACD/DVD, Panny 65" Plasma, Roku
2007 Tundra 5.7 TRD DC
Pioneer DEH-80PRS
Polk SR6500
SI BM 12" subs
Zed Gladius
Zed Deuce -
I almost jumped on those, Dan. 2m is a bit long for me. Now, if they were 6.56168 feet, that would've been another story. :biggrin:
LOL, nice........ :razz:"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
mesquitehead wrote: »Might do some investigation before making statements such as the one above.
Just trying to help my Polk brothers out amigo.
While help is always appreciated, it is not very helpful when you say something such as
without providing any data that the cables are equal to or better than other vendors.for a fraction of what the golden gods of cables want to charge for their "magic" wire
However, I might have misread the statement since I am not aware of any vendor who has a "magic" product line. It very well is possible his cables are better than some vendor who has a "magic" product line. Of course, there is more to cable technology than slapping connectors onto a piece of wire.
So my apology for the spam remark.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
While help is always appreciated, it is not very helpful when you say something such as without providing any data that the cables are equal to or better than other vendors.
However, I might have misread the statement since I am not aware of any vendor who has a "magic" product line. It very well is possible his cables are better than some vendor who has a "magic" product line. Of course, there is more to cable technology than slapping connectors onto a piece of wire.
So my apology for the spam remark.
Thanks, accepted. I dabble a bit in pro audio gear and have heard a great deal of BS especially regarding wire. Our focus is on analog studio gear www.burginmcdaniel.com . My partner is regarded as one of the best audio designers in the business and has won the AES award for circuit design and designed the entire Portico line and 5088 mixer while we were at Rupert Neve Designs. I think we have all seen products that claim to be a panacea for all our audio needs, especially speaker wire. :biggrin:"Thats great... but how does it sound"
http://www.burginmcdaniel.com/
http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_burgin_mcdaniel_komit/
Yamaha RX-A820 (networked with wireless bridge), Carver M-1.0t, Carver TFM-35, Carver C-1, Polk SDA1c's (x2 pair), Polk RTA 8tl's, Polk RTA 11tl's, Polk Monitor 5, Polk CS 400, Polk PSW 650, Rega Planar 3, Sony DVPNC555ES SACD/DVD, Panny 65" Plasma, Roku
2007 Tundra 5.7 TRD DC
Pioneer DEH-80PRS
Polk SR6500
SI BM 12" subs
Zed Gladius
Zed Deuce -
Another helpful audio cable thread. :rolleyes:...........Its not to often that you get to see grown men who spend so much on cable get so **** over the fact that they do.
and then get all hurt because everyone doesn't "chipmunk" them. -
Rotfl“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
- Isaac Asimov
Hi-Fi
Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> Odyssey Khartargo Mono Plus --> LSiM-705's
Cabling by Groneberg
Visuals
https://media.illinois.edu/journalism/ledford-charles-stretch
bit.ly/stretchonphotojournalism
http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto -
ps - I just ordered a set of IC's and jumpers from Frank at Signal Cable.
Seems to be a real stand up guy.
http://signalcable.com/analogtwo.html“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
- Isaac Asimov
Hi-Fi
Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> Odyssey Khartargo Mono Plus --> LSiM-705's
Cabling by Groneberg
Visuals
https://media.illinois.edu/journalism/ledford-charles-stretch
bit.ly/stretchonphotojournalism
http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto -
ps - I just ordered a set of IC's and jumpers from Frank at Signal Cable.
Seems to be a real stand up guy.
http://signalcable.com/analogtwo.html
Please tell me you mentioned your a Club Polk member... that will net you 10% off I believe."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
EndersShadow wrote: »Please tell me you mentioned your a Club Polk member... that will net you 10% off I believe.
It's actually 5%, and he should be able to still get it if he didn't mention it already. Signal are nice cables for the $$$.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
