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  • Remo
    Remo Posts: 10
    edited August 2012
    F1nut wrote: »
    So, you have no personal experience with quailty cable and would rather believe some article than actually trying it for yourself, which of course means your opinion is without merit.
    Actualy I have personal experience with the overpriced gimmick cable so many swear by.
    My friend was one of those sheep not so long ago, that was untill I swaped out his over priced interconects and speaker cable with monoprice interconects and some 12AWG copper wire, this was with out his knowing. He never noticed , I told him a week later to look behind his AV rack. WOW was he suprised and a bit pissed.... not at me but at himself for falling for the high dollar cable scams.
    Jason
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,673
    edited August 2012
    What a crock!

    Even if that was true, it wasn't on your rig, so you still lack personal experience and furthermore, if you did that to one of my rigs, you wouldn't be able to type again for the rest of your miserable life.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Remo
    Remo Posts: 10
    edited August 2012
    F1nut wrote: »
    What a crock!

    Even if that was true, it wasn't on your rig, so you still lack personal experience and furthermore, if you did that to one of my rigs, you wouldn't be able to type again for the rest of your miserable life.

    Yes that story wasn't about my rig, but we did take his overpriced cables and put them on my rig later to see if they would do anything on my "budget equipment"..... yeah no difference there either.

    Anyway if people want to spend a bunch of money on interconects and speaker cable they are free to do so.... But I won't recommend it to anyone... and that I am free to do so.
    Jason
    LIVING ROOM
    | Onkyo TX-NR1009 (avr) | Modified PS3 Fat | Modified Wii | Roku 2XD | Mitsubishi WD60737 (DLP TV) |
    | Polk Audio Monitor 70 (mains) | Polk Audio CS2 (center) | Sony SSF-6000 (surrounds) | 2 Polk Audio PSW505 (subs) |
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2012
    Remo wrote: »
    Anyway if people want to spend a bunch of money on interconects and speaker cable they are free to do so

    Thank you. That is very kind of you. To have the blessing of such an experienced audio god is gratifying.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,673
    edited August 2012
    You want to know why I know your story is a crock? You would have been shouting the name of those cables as loud as you could. Instead all you could come up with is "overpriced cables". Pffft
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,981
    edited August 2012
    These would be a good start-

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?134710-3-10-foot-MIT-EXp2-Speaker-cables
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,981
    edited August 2012
    Or these if you need longer lengths-

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?134717-MIT-EXP2-speaker-cables
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  • rebuy
    rebuy Posts: 695
    edited August 2012
    My 4 dollar wire from True Value Hardware was a Poor performer as it turned green. I don't like green speaker wire.
    My $3.95 speaker wire I got from Home Depot is much better. It's a RCA Spool. It's not green either so it's not coloring my music.
    So I can testify that wire does matter. Next time I buy wire I am encouraged to spend more than $3.95.
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  • rvito
    rvito Posts: 11
    edited August 2012
    Audioquest Midnight series cables are nice and can be had off of flea pay for good prices
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 2,016
    edited August 2012
    Here's 100' 12 ga under $30! includes shipping!

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/100FT-High-Quality-12-Gauge-Ga-Awg-Speaker-Cable-Wire-/160868993314?_trksid=p4340.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D1537483313151578344%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D4%26

    100' 10 ga about $73 including shipping.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-FT-30m-High-Definition-10-Gauge-Speaker-Wire-Cable-/360180131301?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item53dc68a5e5
    Samsung 60" QN65Q7FAMFXZA QLED, Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro, Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids “Foamed” & “Plugged**”, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered **Rob the Man (Xschop)

    LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels*. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & Mids - RB981*
    Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981* -> Bi-amped CSi A6
    Surrounds: Rotel 981* -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
    *all connected w/Premiere ICs
    5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”

    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s
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  • mesquitehead
    mesquitehead Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    Just remember that any 100% ofc copper speaker wire will be better than the stuff the mfr uses to wire up the drivers in the cabinet. Try this place http://www.douglasconnection.com/
    "Thats great... but how does it sound"
    http://www.burginmcdaniel.com/

    http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_burgin_mcdaniel_komit/

    Yamaha RX-A820 (networked with wireless bridge), Carver M-1.0t, Carver TFM-35, Carver C-1, Polk SDA1c's (x2 pair), Polk RTA 8tl's, Polk RTA 11tl's, Polk Monitor 5, Polk CS 400, Polk PSW 650, Rega Planar 3, Sony DVPNC555ES SACD/DVD, Panny 65" Plasma, Roku

    2007 Tundra 5.7 TRD DC
    Pioneer DEH-80PRS
    Polk SR6500
    SI BM 12" subs
    Zed Gladius
    Zed Deuce
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited August 2012
    mesquitehead wrote: »
    Just remember that any 100% ofc copper speaker wire will be better than the stuff the mfr uses to wire up the drivers in the cabinet. Try this place http://www.douglasconnection.com/

    Might be true in some cases, but not all. Regardless, improving the signal path can be done at any of the steps the signal takes. There's more to it all than a simple cheap wire in a speaker.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • mesquitehead
    mesquitehead Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    Build them yourself for a fraction of what the golden gods of cables want to charge for their "magic" wire. http://www.douglasconnection.com/
    "Thats great... but how does it sound"
    http://www.burginmcdaniel.com/

    http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_burgin_mcdaniel_komit/

    Yamaha RX-A820 (networked with wireless bridge), Carver M-1.0t, Carver TFM-35, Carver C-1, Polk SDA1c's (x2 pair), Polk RTA 8tl's, Polk RTA 11tl's, Polk Monitor 5, Polk CS 400, Polk PSW 650, Rega Planar 3, Sony DVPNC555ES SACD/DVD, Panny 65" Plasma, Roku

    2007 Tundra 5.7 TRD DC
    Pioneer DEH-80PRS
    Polk SR6500
    SI BM 12" subs
    Zed Gladius
    Zed Deuce
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2012
    mesquitehead wrote: »
    Build them yourself for a fraction of what the golden gods of cables want to charge for their "magic" wire. http://www.douglasconnection.com/

    Great. Another no-nothing spammer linking a web site. :rolleyes:
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • stretchl
    stretchl Posts: 1,334
    edited August 2012
    FWIW, I just put in MIT EXP S2 cables purchased here from PSOVLSK and they sound is amaaaaaayyyy-zing. The most obvious improvement is the soundstage, which is noticeably wider.

    Now for confession time... I was using off-the-spool Radio Shack wire prior to the MIT cable, so I guess it's not surprising there was an improvement.

    Nevertheless, the MIT's have made me a true believer. So... anyone know where I can find a similarly great deal on some comparable interconnects? :question:
    “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
    - Isaac Asimov
    Hi-Fi
    Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> Odyssey Khartargo Mono Plus --> LSiM-705's
    Cabling by Groneberg
    Visuals
    https://media.illinois.edu/journalism/ledford-charles-stretch
    bit.ly/stretchonphotojournalism
    http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,687
    edited August 2012
    mesquitehead wrote: »
    Build them yourself for a fraction of what the golden gods of cables want to charge for their "magic" wire. http://www.douglasconnection.com/
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Great. Another no-nothing spammer linking a web site. :rolleyes:

    Actually in this case its a good link. Thats a fellow Polkie's website (helipilotdoug). He makes custom interconnects, speaker cables, etc. Buy from DouglasConnection with confidence. I have talked to him on the phone at lenght and hes a good guy.

    His cables (IC's and SC's) gets some VERY good reviews from some of the guys at the CarverAudio forum.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,687
    edited August 2012
    stretchl wrote: »
    Nevertheless, the MIT's have made me a true believer. So... anyone know where I can find a similarly great deal on some comparable interconnects? :question:

    Well the EXp1 or EXp2 would be what I looked for, I just sold my set of 5 2m cables to vcwatkins but I am sure there are some floating around :biggrin:.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • badchad
    badchad Posts: 348
    edited August 2012
    So are there objective tests and criteria for cables, speaker wire, and interconnects? Or is it merely personal preference?

    I've always "heard" that for some things, like digital interconnects (e.g. HDMI cables) there is no reason to buy expensive products. Digital data is 1's and 0's, and the expensive monster cable has absolutely zero benefit relative to monoprice.

    So is there an objective way to determine if one cable is "better" than another?
    Polk Fronts: RTi A7's
    Polk Center: CSi A6
    Polk Surrounds: FXi A6's
    Polk Rear Surround: RTi4
    Sub: HSU VTF-3 (MK1)
    AVR: Yamaha RX-A2010
    B&K Reference 200.7
    TV: Sharp LC-70LE847U
    Oppo BDP-103
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,673
    edited August 2012
    mesquitehead wrote: »
    Build them yourself for a fraction of what the golden gods of cables want to charge for their "magic" wire. http://www.douglasconnection.com/

    You do realize his cables are re-badged Belden wire, right?

    I see where you recently learned that bi-amping off an AVR isn't really bi-amping, so has it occurred to you that you still have much to learn about cable?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • mesquitehead
    mesquitehead Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Great. Another no-nothing spammer linking a web site. :rolleyes:
    Might do some investigation before making statements such as the one above.
    Just trying to help my Polk brothers out amigo.
    "Thats great... but how does it sound"
    http://www.burginmcdaniel.com/

    http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_burgin_mcdaniel_komit/

    Yamaha RX-A820 (networked with wireless bridge), Carver M-1.0t, Carver TFM-35, Carver C-1, Polk SDA1c's (x2 pair), Polk RTA 8tl's, Polk RTA 11tl's, Polk Monitor 5, Polk CS 400, Polk PSW 650, Rega Planar 3, Sony DVPNC555ES SACD/DVD, Panny 65" Plasma, Roku

    2007 Tundra 5.7 TRD DC
    Pioneer DEH-80PRS
    Polk SR6500
    SI BM 12" subs
    Zed Gladius
    Zed Deuce
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  • stretchl
    stretchl Posts: 1,334
    edited August 2012
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    Well the EXp1 or EXp2 would be what I looked for, I just sold my set of 5 2m cables to vcwatkins but I am sure there are some floating around :biggrin:.

    I almost jumped on those, Dan. 2m is a bit long for me. Now, if they were 6.56168 feet, that would've been another story. :biggrin:
    “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
    - Isaac Asimov
    Hi-Fi
    Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> Odyssey Khartargo Mono Plus --> LSiM-705's
    Cabling by Groneberg
    Visuals
    https://media.illinois.edu/journalism/ledford-charles-stretch
    bit.ly/stretchonphotojournalism
    http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto
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  • mesquitehead
    mesquitehead Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    F1nut, I was simply trying to get by till my Carver amps were repaired. I know a bit but don't claim to be an audio god. Thanks for enlightening me.
    "Thats great... but how does it sound"
    http://www.burginmcdaniel.com/

    http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_burgin_mcdaniel_komit/

    Yamaha RX-A820 (networked with wireless bridge), Carver M-1.0t, Carver TFM-35, Carver C-1, Polk SDA1c's (x2 pair), Polk RTA 8tl's, Polk RTA 11tl's, Polk Monitor 5, Polk CS 400, Polk PSW 650, Rega Planar 3, Sony DVPNC555ES SACD/DVD, Panny 65" Plasma, Roku

    2007 Tundra 5.7 TRD DC
    Pioneer DEH-80PRS
    Polk SR6500
    SI BM 12" subs
    Zed Gladius
    Zed Deuce
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,687
    edited August 2012
    stretchl wrote: »
    I almost jumped on those, Dan. 2m is a bit long for me. Now, if they were 6.56168 feet, that would've been another story. :biggrin:

    LOL, nice........ :razz:
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2012
    mesquitehead wrote: »
    Might do some investigation before making statements such as the one above.
    Just trying to help my Polk brothers out amigo.

    While help is always appreciated, it is not very helpful when you say something such as
    for a fraction of what the golden gods of cables want to charge for their "magic" wire
    without providing any data that the cables are equal to or better than other vendors.

    However, I might have misread the statement since I am not aware of any vendor who has a "magic" product line. It very well is possible his cables are better than some vendor who has a "magic" product line. Of course, there is more to cable technology than slapping connectors onto a piece of wire.

    So my apology for the spam remark.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • mesquitehead
    mesquitehead Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    BlueFox wrote: »
    While help is always appreciated, it is not very helpful when you say something such as without providing any data that the cables are equal to or better than other vendors.

    However, I might have misread the statement since I am not aware of any vendor who has a "magic" product line. It very well is possible his cables are better than some vendor who has a "magic" product line. Of course, there is more to cable technology than slapping connectors onto a piece of wire.

    So my apology for the spam remark.

    Thanks, accepted. I dabble a bit in pro audio gear and have heard a great deal of BS especially regarding wire. Our focus is on analog studio gear www.burginmcdaniel.com . My partner is regarded as one of the best audio designers in the business and has won the AES award for circuit design and designed the entire Portico line and 5088 mixer while we were at Rupert Neve Designs. I think we have all seen products that claim to be a panacea for all our audio needs, especially speaker wire. :biggrin:
    "Thats great... but how does it sound"
    http://www.burginmcdaniel.com/

    http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_burgin_mcdaniel_komit/

    Yamaha RX-A820 (networked with wireless bridge), Carver M-1.0t, Carver TFM-35, Carver C-1, Polk SDA1c's (x2 pair), Polk RTA 8tl's, Polk RTA 11tl's, Polk Monitor 5, Polk CS 400, Polk PSW 650, Rega Planar 3, Sony DVPNC555ES SACD/DVD, Panny 65" Plasma, Roku

    2007 Tundra 5.7 TRD DC
    Pioneer DEH-80PRS
    Polk SR6500
    SI BM 12" subs
    Zed Gladius
    Zed Deuce
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  • cowtrimmer
    cowtrimmer Posts: 201
    edited August 2012
    Another helpful audio cable thread. :rolleyes:...........Its not to often that you get to see grown men who spend so much on cable get so **** over the fact that they do. :lol: and then get all hurt because everyone doesn't "chipmunk" them.
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  • stretchl
    stretchl Posts: 1,334
    edited August 2012
    Rotfl
    “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
    - Isaac Asimov
    Hi-Fi
    Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> Odyssey Khartargo Mono Plus --> LSiM-705's
    Cabling by Groneberg
    Visuals
    https://media.illinois.edu/journalism/ledford-charles-stretch
    bit.ly/stretchonphotojournalism
    http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto
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  • stretchl
    stretchl Posts: 1,334
    edited August 2012
    ps - I just ordered a set of IC's and jumpers from Frank at Signal Cable.

    Seems to be a real stand up guy. :)

    http://signalcable.com/analogtwo.html
    “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
    - Isaac Asimov
    Hi-Fi
    Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> Odyssey Khartargo Mono Plus --> LSiM-705's
    Cabling by Groneberg
    Visuals
    https://media.illinois.edu/journalism/ledford-charles-stretch
    bit.ly/stretchonphotojournalism
    http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,687
    edited August 2012
    stretchl wrote: »
    ps - I just ordered a set of IC's and jumpers from Frank at Signal Cable.

    Seems to be a real stand up guy. :)

    http://signalcable.com/analogtwo.html

    Please tell me you mentioned your a Club Polk member... that will net you 10% off I believe.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited August 2012
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    Please tell me you mentioned your a Club Polk member... that will net you 10% off I believe.

    It's actually 5%, and he should be able to still get it if he didn't mention it already. Signal are nice cables for the $$$.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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