Speakers pop when someone screams very loud on certain shows (Not all the time)

Skeeterdamus

The Speaker (Center) seems to make a crackle/pop sound in certain HBO/shotime series and movies when people scream real loud, sometimes even when certain high pitched voices. It doesn't happen alot, I never notice it in music. But certain peoples voices if they talk real loud Makes an odd sound.


What Im using 4x Monitor 40's, CS2, PSW505, Pioneer 821-k.


During music I crank it up to 60% of 80% voulme and sounds fine, during movies and shows usually 45-50% max depends on the movie since some are quieter than others, or whenever the AC comes on.


Not worried about it, more or less annoyed when I hear it happen, Maybe it's just because of the equipment they used, afterall it's just a series show.

Tony M

I believe you have a loose wire between the center and receiver at one or the other connections. I had the same symptom but with a R-channel main speaker.

Good luck.

Skeeterdamus

Right on, I tightened them up. Unfortunatly, I wont be able to tell if I hear the sound again untill Those random shows come back on tv.

Before I posted on here I went ahead and Figured it might of been the speaker wire I was using, it was a last desperate buy from newegg, but from what Iv'e read it isn't that great of wire at all http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882125183 there is the link, Its not even copper.

So I went ahead and ordered http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023902&p_id=2820&seq=1&format=2 should be here in a week. (Iv'e spent and saved thousands at that lovely site) I was gonna get the 12AWG but I wasnt sure it would fit in the Polks, and the reciever without bananna plugs but I figured since the rears are only 25-30 feet away 16AWG would be fine, This cable is supposibly copper, and shielded unlike the other cheap RCA I had.

Tony M

30 ft. away is a good length to require a 14 ga. . That's what I would use now.

I know 50' is the change over recomended length but I really feel 25' to 30' should be the point of change. Just a preference, nothing more.

I used 16 ga. for everything for years too.

Good luck and if happens again, switch speakers around. there might be a loose wire inside it.

soundfreak1

Damn i have tje opposite prob. When my speakers POP i scream! Sorry couldnt help myself.

jlp1313

I have FIOS and im having the same prob for 3mnths w/ some movies, never music or PS3, ive checked all the wires they r monster thx cert 14awg i even tryed three different avr even tryed 3 dif hdmi cables and its still happening it drives me crazy .. I thought it was w/ older movies cause i noticed it when i was watchn underworld, but i was just watchn the THING n its new and it was doin it again, i even called fios, polk n pioneer they couldnt fig it out .. I also thought it was my center but i tried it in stereo n still did it IDK this is crazy....

pdxfj

Mine does the same thing and I'm on Comcast..

You're running into to the Dolby Digital stream clipping from the source. Remember that DD is a highly compressed format.. Epically when when it's being pumped over Satellite or cable.. I'm running my audio over optical instead of the HDMI and it has lessened it a bit.

Tankman

Skeeter check your source first.What "pdxfj" said make a lot of sense.I had the same thing happing with my HT and only when the source was from the Cable/SAT box.Or you using a HDMI cable from your sat/cable box to your AVR? If so check the HDMI cable to see if your HDMI cable is for highspeed some of the older HDMI cables where not for the new 1.4a.I would start with the HDMI cable first which could be the weak link in your set up.

ravaneli

It is definitely not the wire. Tightening the connections is unlikely too. And the HDMI cable suggestion is impossible to be the cause.

There is a power spike from that amplifier or receiver. I had the same issue. Replace whatever powers your center and I will bet you the problem will disapear. It is never the wire or the connection, unfortunately

tonyb

ravaneli wrote: »

It is never the wire or the connection, unfortunately

Unfortunately it can be more times than not. Sometimes it's the simple things we overlook ....even the most experienced members overlook simple things at times. I know I do.....then bang my head against the wall.

Drenis

ravaneli wrote: »

It is definitely not the wire. Tightening the connections is unlikely too. And the HDMI cable suggestion is impossible to be the cause.

There is a power spike from that amplifier or receiver. I had the same issue. Replace whatever powers your center and I will bet you the problem will disapear. It is never the wire or the connection, unfortunately

You've obviously never had a HDMI cable fail on you. Get with the times man. Get your read on!

OP, I have a Motorola DCX3400 box for my cable and sometimes the sound is terrible. However, more often then none it's the actual station feed as other channels are fine. There are 2 channels that have the worst sound ever.

jlp1313

I tried using optical cause thats what pioneer said couldve bn the prob but still the same IDK guys lets try n fig this mystery out ..lol.. and ive bn using 1.4 thx cert monster n tried 3 dif ones..

tonyb

Your right, lets figure this out for the OP.

Does it crackle at lower volumes ? Usually a crackle like you discribe is related to a bad connection in the chain, or you've pushed the speakers beyond what they can handle. You mentioned you turn the volume up to 80% during music, you could have done some damage to the tweets. Do you have any other speakers to use for the same program material ? That crackle is distortion, bad for speakers, so I wouldn't leave it alone.

Try disconnecting the center alltogether and then tell the receiver you don't have one and run the calibration again. If it has no crackle, then your problem is either with the center speaker itself, or it's cable/connections. If the crackle is still present in the front left and right speaker, because thats where the center channel signal would be routed to, then the receiver itself may be the problem or your connections from the cable box and related cables. I'm thinking the receiver as a last resort because usually these problems are cable/connection related rather than gear itself.
You also mentioned the A/C kicking on so obviously they are on the same circuit. Try a different outlet not on that circuit.

ravaneli

it's your cheap receiver. you don't hear it during music because music is played in L and R and no center, unless you force it.

Sorry to break it to you, and everyone else who has this problem. This one unfortunately i know from experience : (

jlp1313

I wouldnt call an SC-55 or a VSX-52 or even an onkyo 609 all brand new, cheap. it happed to all of them and is still happening w/ my sc-55.. the only thing i didnt try is putting the cable box in its own outlet its on a monster power surge protecter w/ all other vid n aud stuff ...

jlp1313

thnks for tryn to help tony. it happens @ all volume levels n its not pluggd in w/ ac i have central air ..lol. anyway ill take it off the surge protecter n c what happes im actually watchn wall street never sleeps rite now n it happens when the movie getts louder like when the train go by..

Drenis

If you move the center speaker to a different channel, does the issue follow it or stay with the new speaker?

hertz9753

jlp1313 wrote: »

thnks for tryn to help tony. it happens @ all volume levels n its not pluggd in w/ ac i have central air ..lol. anyway ill take it off the surge protecter n c what happes im actually watchn wall street never sleeps rite now n it happens when the movie getts louder like when the train go by..

Where are you from? I'm thinking dirty power.

tonyb

If it happens at all volume levels, on 3 different receivers, then it's not the receiver. Take the center and either hook it up to another channel as Drenis suggested, or take it out of the equation altogether. I'm thinking a bad tweet or possibly a resistor in the crossover went south as a worst case scenario. Cable box connections, make sure your using a good quality cable and all connections are snug. Any bare wire connections can't be touching another post on the speaker or receiver end.If all that is good, then your center speaker may need some attention.

Playing music at 80% of it's volume, could have added alot of distortion. Also playing music that loud, the type of music you play too must be considered. Lots of musical recordings have added distortion in it. Think of the volume dial on an AVR like the speedometer on your car, just because the speedometer reads 160 mph doesn't mean it can do it.

DarkHorror

My guess would be the source, easy to check just listen to the same part over again at a much lower volume.

jlp1313

I wanted to thank everyone for there help n let u know that do to all our brainstorming i overlookd where it was plugged in and now the cable box is plugged in its own socket n seems to b fixed i watchd one of the movies that it always happnd w/ and no prob..

tonyb

Good for you, glad to see with a little discusion you figured it out. Maybe just that particular outlet had some bad wiring in it. May be of some benefit to replace that outlet with a hospital grade one or a PS Audio power port outlet if you want to continue to use that outlet.

Tankman

@jlp1313 Nice! I know them Cable/SAT box,s sometimes are a lil fussy they can cause a lot of mess in a set up.You can get hum's dropouts from video/audio and so on glad its fix and you didn't have too spend or upgrade nice work!A bad outlet also can be killer in a set up.

Skeeterdamus

I just watched "The A team" when it was on HBO earlier today, watched the whole movie, no pops/cracks nothing during all the other loud scenes only at the very end scene of the movie where all the chaos and explosions are going on it made the pops.
First time it's made the pops in weeks since I posted here. (except this time, it had to come from the Left, or right speakers since it was explosions, and not voice.)

By what I said about when the AC comes on is when I turn up a movie because the air vents are loud, 2 of them are right above the TV, and sound system. Didn't mean it's plugged in the same outlet.. When the noise in the house drownds out the surrounds I turn up the volume is what I was sayin!

I then watched the movie on demand fast forwarded to the same part of the movie, and it didn't make the crackles. Odd to say the least. Im woundering if it could be a bad soundcard in the Digital cable box.

Is there any Audio I can play from my PC to the reciever to test sound levels for distortion and stuff? I have my Pc hooked up via Digital Optical cable, I did a google search found some links, but wasn't sure If I should trust any random sound clips to test them Didn't want to take a chance to bork em up.

And also since the last time I posted, I now have bananna clips, and 14AWG wire, and yes the HDMI cables are high speed aswell. so a loose wire shouldn't be the culprit unless it's inside the actual speaker which you mentioned, And Not sure if that would void a warranty.

And yes, I unfortunatly can't switch power outlets, as the computer is on the other outlet in the same room on the other side. So thats no Viable option. But I do have a high doller surge protector that says the outlet is properly grounded, and says the power is clean unless it's a lie, I'd think that's not the problem.

This is the first time iv'e EVER noticed it doing this during explosions aswell. I havn't heard voices crack ever since I got the new wire and plugs, I even re watched the same shows at the same volume 50 of 80 thats usally my max I go during movies, sometimes 40 depends what movie it is.

Will these random "crackles" really hurt the speakers since it only happens once in a blue moon? It's very, very rare to happen at all. And when it does, I turn it down instantly. I mean, I can leave the volume at 50 out of 80, and watch 10 hours of TV, a day for the whole week and only MAYBE hear the speakers make these weird sounds maybe 20 seconds out of the week, it's that rare. (of course 10 hours is an exxageration, Just showing how rare it happens.)

And to the guy who said it's a cheap reciever "Music only plays in the left and right, thats why you dont hear it" I ALWAYS listen to music in either Extended stereo which makes every speaker, play the same sound even the center. to make all my speakers play music. Or I use Pro logic II Music, which also, makes all the speakers play sound. And no, it NEVER, EVER makes a pop when I listen to music. My main music I listen to is country, and Rock.

I mean, I figured this reciever would be able to hand bookshelfs without a fuss, as to It's what everyone on here told me to get for it. But If I need to get an amp what would be a good one to get to power these?

Sorry for the wall O' text figured I'd throw it all out in a single post.

Inspector 24

I've noticed a similar sound from many different sources with many different setups, between 4 or so different homes, all from the center channel, all during high pitched and/or loud vocals. It's bewildered me what it is or how it happens, but I've come to the conclusion that it is very likely the source material. Problem with the recording, tranfer, something else? Who knows, but it's never been the fault of the equipment.

In the opening scene of Star Trek (2009) when one of the ensigns at the helm says 'They've locked onto us!" there is a crackle from the center channel...I've heard it between three different centers, two different AVR's and two different Parasound amps.

And yes, I've seen that movie a lot. :razz:

halo71

So you again give bad advice to a member here. AND have the nerve to call their gear cheap. You are one class act for sure! If you don't know, that is fine, don't offer help. But you really should stop acting like a know-it-all when you know nothing.:rolleyes:

ravaneli wrote: »

it's your cheap receiver. you don't hear it during music because music is played in L and R and no center, unless you force it.

Sorry to break it to you, and everyone else who has this problem. This one unfortunately i know from experience : (

ravaneli

Skeeterdamus wrote: »

What Im using 4x Monitor 40's, CS2, PSW505, Pioneer 821-k.

i don't know how you established that my advice was bad, but i had both 521 and 1021 pio avr. I know how much they cost and how they work.

Skeeterdamus

ravaneli wrote: »

i don't know how you established that my advice was bad, but i had both 521 and 1021 pio avr. I know how much they cost and how they work.

I think your mistaken, I never said your advice was bad.... that was the guy above you. Unless im Mistaken and thought by quoting me that you where talking to me

all I said to your comment was this.

And to the guy who said it's a cheap reciever "Music only plays in the left and right, thats why you dont hear it" I ALWAYS listen to music in either Extended stereo which makes every speaker, play the same sound even the center. to make all my speakers play music. Or I use Pro logic II Music, which also, makes all the speakers play sound. And no, it NEVER, EVER makes a pop when I listen to music. My main music I listen to is country, and Rock.

tonyb

Skeeter,

The popping sound is because you either are pushing them too hard, or your settings are off or both. The M60's are pretty darn easy to drive so an amp isn't going to fix your problem. Everything has it's limits my friend. First off, play with your settings, nothing is written in stone. Try setting the speakers to large and see if it sounds better. Also the size of the room is important, if your trying to fill a larger room with sound from a M60, your cranking on that volume dial too much. Also, are your speakers hooked up to the receiver or the subwoofer ? 2 different ways of hooking up that require 2 different settings. Throw out some more info and maybe we can help you better enjoy what you have.

halo71

ravaneli wrote: »

i don't know how you established that my advice was bad, but i had both 521 and 1021 pio avr. I know how much they cost and how they work.

You are side stepping the REAL issue. You gave him bad advice, as you usually do around here. You were wrong and won't admit it. My comment about you calling his gear cheap, that is a pretty piss poor thing to do. Point being his receiver, how ever cheap or expensive it is, was not the issue at all. As you so adamantly said it was!

Skeeter....I am sure you can find an AVR with preouts to support a power amp cheaper than $800-$1400 if that is the route you want to take. Although you probably don't need it. Sorry I can not recommend anything as I run separates.

ravaneli

Skeeter, do u have two AVRs? Can you swap them to see if the problem persists?

Don't get discouraged man, happens to all. That 821 doesn't cost much if you need to replace it. Dump it on ebay and you will be out 50-80 bucks.

Then go get this
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR3310CI/DENON-AVR-3310CI-7.1-Channel-Network-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html
ot this
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXNR708/Onkyo-TX-NR708-7.2-Channel-3-D-Ready-Network-A/V-Receiver/1.html
or something else from there. That is if your AVR is the culprit, but I had exact same issue, drove myself crazy checking cables even though it didn't make sense but I was desperate..