Legacy Empire Crossver Modification Thread

VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
edited October 2012 in DIY, Mods & Tweaks
Here are some pics of the stock crossovers....

I am curious to see what the owner decides to do - he said he wants to keep the stock crossovers and build from scratch and do external enclosures, the works...

Will be interesting!
- Not Tom

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  • RickTfromAZRickTfromAZ Posts: 122
    edited June 2012
    Not at all what I expected to see. With the reputation that Legacy has, I expected to see nicely laid out boards with all of the components separated.
  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 2,046
    edited June 2012
    Hi, I'm glad you posted this. I spoke to someone at Legacy last week cuz I've got a line on those Empires. The dude told me that Less Than 10 were ever made!! I sought advise here at CP and Tony chimed-in with good advise. I probably won't buy these unless the seller comes down a whole lot! But, man do they sound nice! Speaker parts will be near impossible to find (unless VR3 can make them better than new!!) Any insight you have is greatly appreciated . . Thx, Trey

    btw the Doro quote, well . . . that can be me sometimes, plz be patient
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited June 2012
    These will be very* expensive to modify...

    If Legacy were to use top tier parts in these it would easily increase the cost of the speakers at production by another 2k...
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,966
    edited June 2012
    Geesh, what a mess.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited June 2012
    More like a disaster...

    Make things worse is I had a schematic with no values filled in!! Woo Hoo!

    Took me a little over a hour but I finally traced it - but talk about a brain buster...

    I quoted out for the guy Jantzen inductors for everything but the iron cores which are Erse, actually substituted one for a 12 awg ERSE Air core - a perfect match in every way! (Suhweet)

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    Externally mounted, NL2 connections to the drivers...

    Should be freaking sweet and I wont stack all the components on top of the inductors neither!! @[email protected]
    - Not Tom

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    edited June 2012
    Yeah, does look like a mess for sure. These never went into full production so the final crossover layout was never fully implemented which may explain the mess. Another reason to stay away from these. Take my advice, look for some Focus 20/20's in the 3 g range. You won't be disappointed.

    Unless your skilled at speaker building, crossover building, these esoteric rare speakers are just not worth the coin imho.

    Trey, if you already took on this task, talk to Bill over at Legacy for some guidence. The guy knows his stuff and his speakers inside out. Personally, I'd be looking for a used pair of Focus HD'S which are suppose to be the cats meow. Well, the Whisper HD'S are the cats meow but for the price the Focus will get you almost on par with the Whispers.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited June 2012
    The gentleman who owns these really likes them. He actually purchased my Super Towers and hearing the vast improvement in detail and clarity with the modifications in my Super Towers prompted him to upgrade his Legacys...
    - Not Tom

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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited June 2012
    You know when your parts weigh over 15 pounds you are deailing with serious crossover parts! LOL!

    Each crossovers contains over 30 some odd parts! @[email protected]
    - Not Tom

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  • slider2828slider2828 Posts: 118
    edited June 2012
    That is sooo awesome! Looks like some awesome caps especially the MR's!!! God I like to dream about use MR's.... LOL...... External enclosures are awesome, like you said no need to stack inductors! So awesome... Can't wait for the finished pics.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,715
    edited June 2012
    if you already took on this task, talk to Bill over at Legacy for some guidence. The guy knows his stuff and his speakers inside out.

    I agree Bill is very personable when i went to his shop yrs ago first thing i told him was I cannot afford your speakers. That didn't stop him from giving me a guided tour of the entire shop and went into great detail about everything there. It was a good 4hrs of knowledge he gave that day.
    Not at all what I expected to see. With the reputation that Legacy has, I expected to see nicely laid out boards with all of the components separated.

    true that but as Tony said if they never went into full production there was never a need to make a simpler board.

    Trey what is with that board on the left with 2 resistors that look like the leads were cut off? why even put them on the board if not used? BOY thats a lot of resistance there
  • FaceFace Posts: 14,714
    edited June 2012
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Trey what is with that board on the left with 2 resistors that look like the leads were cut off? why even put them on the board if not used? BOY thats a lot of resistance there
    The leads may have been removed during voicing.

    As for the amount of resistors used, it increases power handling.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited June 2012
    Hmmmm
    - Not Tom

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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    These are some big ol coils!
    - Not Tom

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    edited July 2012
    Daaamn bro, when you shoot for overkill you hold nuthin' back. Waiting for some insight on the sound when you stick those puppies in there.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    Wait till you see these bitching enclosures we are having custom made...

    Solid Rosewood sides, brushed aluminum top/front/back

    Gonna be slick!
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    Check these bad boys out!

    Those side panels are insane!
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    - Not Tom

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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    I get to start on these monsters tomorrow...

    I am so beyond stoked... lol
    - Not Tom

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  • tommyt21tommyt21 Posts: 685
    edited July 2012
    VR3 wrote: »
    Check these bad boys out!

    Those side panels are insane!

    DAMN!!! Those are gorgeous:mrgreen:
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    Teaser!
    - Not Tom

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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    So many parts!!
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    edited July 2012
    Damn those side panels are freekin' beautiful. This is gonna be a whole brand new speaker then. You doing anything with the drivers ? You should call up Legacy and see if they have some of their newer HD drivers that will fit.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    All I have in my possession are the original crossovers...

    I will pass on that info to the owner though and see his thoughts!
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    Mock up...

    Integrating my "stack" design in the chassis!! :-D
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 16,903
    edited July 2012
    I like the coke can mod! I am sure it tightens up the highs. Dont give away your secrets Trey!

    Seriously I love watching your planning. Your attention to detail is awesome and I would have no fears at all dropping off all 5 of my LSi's for you to mod :smile:
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    I think my next purchase if a heated/cooled garage with a bitching CNC and drill press... THAT would make my life easier! ;)

    Thanks bro! Whenever you are ready!

    Thanks!
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 16,903
    edited July 2012
    VR3 wrote: »
    Thanks bro! Whenever you are ready!

    It might be awhile but it will eventually happen lol... however I will be dropping the entire speaker off for you so you can mount them as well cause I am lazy and scared to mess with internal speaker stuff lol....
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    Yeah - I really did not realize how much of a challenge the LSi15 was until now... LOL

    I exchanged 90 emails with ol CBow there figuring that out + a phone call and a few texts messages!
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 16,903
    edited July 2012
    VR3 wrote: »
    Yeah - I really did not realize how much of a challenge the LSi15 was until now... LOL

    I exchanged 90 emails with ol CBow there figuring that out + a phone call and a few texts messages!

    Yup I dont doubt your skill to make them work and fit (more my skill to mount them right lol), but its obviously easier with em on site to try out different configs.

    I am sure cbow will be super pumped to get em. I know I would be.....
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    Woofer network
    - Not Tom

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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    edited July 2012
    Midbass network
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