How does SDA CRS compare with 2B and other SDA's in general?

Mystery
Mystery Posts: 2,546
edited November 2012 in Vintage Speakers
Have a line for a pair of SDA CRS (they don't have +).
These look like a center channel speakers with a tweeter in the middle and 2 mids.
Do these compact SDA's have similar sound as SDA 2B or others?
Thanks for information.

Polk SDA CRS.jpg

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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited June 2012
    If they only have (1) tweeter, then they are the +'s.

    All SDA's sound similar. These speakers certainly sound like SDA's.


    Do it and see what all the fuss is about!:smile:
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  • Mystery
    Mystery Posts: 2,546
    edited June 2012
    falconcry72 wrote: »
    If they only have (1) tweeter, then they are the +'s.
    All SDA's sound similar. These speakers certainly sound like SDA's.
    Do it and see what all the fuss is about!:smile:
    Yes, 1 SL2000 tweeter each.
    The sticker doesn't mention + so was not sure.

    Is $150 decent deal on these with the cable?

    Here is the front picture.

    Polk SDA CRS-front.jpg

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  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
    edited June 2012
    yep. do it.
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited June 2012
    vcwatkins wrote: »
    yep. do it.

    no question about it.
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  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
    edited June 2012
    Get 'em. If you don't like them, I'll buy them off of you. But I won't be holding my breath.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited June 2012
    $150 is killer.. I will take them for $150 I know he has had them listed for $200 and that's a deal in its self but for $150 I will take them, and I don't need them..
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,124
    edited June 2012
    Yeah grab them they sound great got 2 pair of them myself, and mine didn't come with the interconnects. I was however able to get A couple of cables from a couple of nice forum members. They appear to be in very nice shape. I hope you end up getting them.
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  • Mystery
    Mystery Posts: 2,546
    edited June 2012
    Okay, I'm officially SDA owner even though it's a compact one. :loneranger:
    The interconnect cable has one flat and one round end in each end and the cable casing looks like it's pulled out from the end socket.
    The veneer is peeling in few places. Some wood glue could fix that or if you have better recommendation, I'd appreciate it.
    Other than that and few nicks/scratches, all drivers look to be in good condition.
    When I heard them at the seller's place, I thought one of the drivers was not working but after careful attention, it is working but not the same as other driver. It could be because one is mid and another is mid-bass. Hmm...
    It's too late to test them today. Hopefully, tomorrow morning I'll give them a try.
    Thanks for comments.

    BTW, Toolfan66, are you from Denver as well?

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited June 2012
    I thought one of the drivers was not working but after careful attention, it is working but not the same as other driver. It could be because one is mid and another is mid-bass. Hmm...

    No, that's not it. The outer one is the dimensional (SDA) driver and plays at about half the volume of the inner, which is the stereo driver. The big one on the back is a fluid coupled passive radiator. Be careful if you remove it as you don't want to let the fluid out. :twisted:
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  • agfrost
    agfrost Posts: 2,428
    edited June 2012
    F1nut wrote: »
    No, that's not it. The outer one is the dimensional (SDA) driver and plays at about half the volume of the inner, which is the stereo driver. The big one on the back is a fluid coupled passive radiator. Be careful if you remove it as you don't want to let the fluid out. :twisted:

    I believe I have some extra coupling fluid here at the house somewhere, so if you spill it, I can send some out for a quite reasonable price. :twisted:
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  • teekay0007
    teekay0007 Posts: 2,289
    edited June 2012
    F1nut and agfrost.....play nice!! :loneranger:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited June 2012
    Whadda mean, we didn't do anything....honest we didn't.
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited June 2012
    You have then standing wrong in the picture. Try them with the tweeter on top, in the orientation printed on the back...
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited June 2012
    Yes I'm from Denver, born and raised!! I live in Littleton, Kipling n Bowles area..


    Congrats!!
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited June 2012
    amulford wrote: »
    You have then standing wrong in the picture. Try them with the tweeter on top, in the orientation printed on the back...


    LOL!! That's the pic the seller had in the ad..
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited June 2012
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    LOL!! That's the pic the seller had in the ad..

    Maybe that's why he sold 'em - that orientation would play hell with the SDA effect!
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  • Mystery
    Mystery Posts: 2,546
    edited June 2012
    Thanks for comments.
    The veneer is peeling off mostly on the rounded corners and little bit along the side.
    Polk SDA CRS+ (1).jpg


    The interconnect cable casing is pulled from the end socket but still is attached fine.
    I'll have to use electric tape or something to avoid further damage.
    I guess the ends are not specific to L or R channel, correct?
    Polk SDA CRS+ Cable-small.jpg

    DSkip wrote: »
    Read up on SDA and learn the science behind them. It should make sense then.
    Will do.
    Did a quick compare against Monitor 7's and found these SDA have better bass even with smaller cabinets and sound smoother. SL2000 are more present than 7's. I listened with and without the interconnect cable and while sound is different, I can't exactly say what's different. Hmm... need to listen more. :confused:
    F1nut wrote: »
    No, that's not it. The outer one is the dimensional (SDA) driver and plays at about half the volume of the inner, which is the stereo driver. The big one on the back is a fluid coupled passive radiator. Be careful if you remove it as you don't want to let the fluid out. :twisted:
    Oh my! The seller took one of the drivers out to check the wires that I thought was not working. I think most of the fluid came out and may be still at his house. :cheesygrin:
    amulford wrote: »
    You have then standing wrong in the picture. Try them with the tweeter on top, in the orientation printed on the back...
    That's seller's picture as toolfan mentioned.
    It'll be tricky to place them flat in my setup.
    So, these are not supposed to setup vertical. :mad:
    If I could stand them up, I could easily stack them on top of Advents or 7's.
    Polk SDA CRS+ (5).jpg

    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    Yes I'm from Denver, born and raised!! I live in Littleton, Kipling n Bowles area..
    Congrats!!
    Nice to know your close by. I live near Kipling and 285 so I could literally walk to your place. :cool:
    I'm from under the other side of the world and moved from Dallas in 2009.
    drumminman wrote: »
    Maybe that's why he sold 'em - that orientation would play hell with the SDA effect!
    Nah... the seller knows what he's doing. He has at least 7 vintage receivers and few pairs of huge Pioneer speakers along with some FRM MA-1 etc... He said he collects vintage receivers.

    Too many things to do in the weekend and cannot test speakers during weekdays due to neighbors. :evil:
    Need to find some time to go through all the speakers. :rolleyes:

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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited June 2012
    We need to hook up sometime soon!!! Have you come over and get your ears on my 1.2tl's..

    I can also bring over my fully modded CRS+'s and put them side by side to your stock CRS+'s..
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  • evhudsons
    evhudsons Posts: 1,175
    edited June 2012
    Seriously nice snag man! Welcome to the world of SDA! You certainly came to the right place and are among good company.
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  • TennMan
    TennMan Posts: 1,266
    edited June 2012
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    We need to hook up sometime soon!!! Have you come over and get your ears on my 1.2tl's..

    I can also bring over my fully modded CRS+'s and put them side by side to your stock CRS+'s..
    I would really like to hear your comments after you do that. I've always wondered what a side by side comparison would be like. I also have CRS+ but mine are in 10B cabinets. I still haven't done any crossover mods but I do have 194 tweeters.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2012
    TennMan wrote: »
    I I also have CRS+ but mine are in 10B cabinets. I still haven't done any crossover mods but I do have 194 tweeters.

    Then they aren't CRS+ :razz:. They are CRS+ components in a different cabinet
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  • TennMan
    TennMan Posts: 1,266
    edited June 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Then they aren't CRS+ :razz:. They are CRS+ components in a different cabinet
    I've also got a set of 10B components in CRS+ cabinets. :biggrin:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2012
    That's just silliness and accomplishes nothing, IMO.

    H9
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  • evhudsons
    evhudsons Posts: 1,175
    edited June 2012
    OP, don't interchange components please, just upgrades and mods to improve them. Your audio has just begun. Sometimes finds like yours are kismet destiny. I was alone for over 20 years regarding my sda but since I found friends and advice here my audio part of my life has just expanded beyond belief and I saved a ton of money doing it.
    You didn't just get speakers, you got tickets and VIP front row with thousands of screaming fans. Enjoy!
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  • TennMan
    TennMan Posts: 1,266
    edited June 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    That's just silliness and accomplishes nothing, IMO.

    H9
    I guess it's a good thing nobody gives a damn about your opinion. If you were half as smart as you think you are you would be smart enough to keep your cute remarks about other peoples speakers to yourself.
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  • Mystery
    Mystery Posts: 2,546
    edited June 2012
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    We need to hook up sometime soon!!! Have you come over and get your ears on my 1.2tl's..

    I can also bring over my fully modded CRS+'s and put them side by side to your stock CRS+'s..
    Definitely! It'll be a pleasure to meet you and listen to 1.2's since I never even seen them in real. I'll PM you. :)
    It'll be tough to audition at my place as the only time my neighbors are not home are during the afternoons and I'm also at work that time. I think, it'll be better for me to bring the CRS to your place.
    evhudsons wrote: »
    OP, don't interchange components please, just upgrades and mods to improve them. Your audio has just begun. Sometimes finds like yours are kismet destiny. I was alone for over 20 years regarding my sda but since I found friends and advice here my audio part of my life has just expanded beyond belief and I saved a ton of money doing it.
    You didn't just get speakers, you got tickets and VIP front row with thousands of screaming fans. Enjoy!

    Nope, not interchanging anything. My monitors will stay as they are and same with this CRS. I'm not even thinking of modding them right away.

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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited June 2012
    Mystery wrote: »
    I'm not even thinking of modding them right away.

    Till you meet mine!!:lol:
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited June 2012
    TennMan wrote: »
    I guess it's a good thing nobody gives a damn about your opinion. If you were half as smart as you think you are you would be smart enough to keep your cute remarks about other peoples speakers to yourself.

    You are probably right about the tongue-holding part, and I WAS holding my tongue, but Brock is 100% on target
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited June 2012
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    You are probably right about the tongue-holding part, and I WAS holding my tongue, but Brock is 100% on target

    I agree as well, but with that said he is having fun and they are his speakers to do as he wishes, and in the end they are just speakers.

    For the record I would like to her the CRS+/10B's and if I still had my 10's I would try it just for the hell of it..
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited June 2012
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    I agree as well, but with that said he is having fun and they are his speakers to do as he wishes, and in the end they are just speakers.

    For the record I would like to her the CRS+/10B's and if I still had my 10's I would try it just for the hell of it..

    I guess, but just because I noticed my fist would fit in a blender, I don't believe I would stick it in there :mrgreen:
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