Power Conditioners in store demo

leftwinger57

Luckily where I live we rarely have power problems except for the infrequent car hit the pole killing the x-former.For me the only thing that i worry about is lightening in the summer and there'es not much you can do about a direct hit. For the stray voltages that might happen I'm using a Samson p-15 9outlet plugcenter.This is way beefier than a plug strip ,rack mountable, 14gu 3prong h/d power cord,a lighted rocker switch and 1 front outlet for convienence,resetable circuit breaker on the front and I believe gives 5000 and change in joules protection.

tommyt21

Found this really cool video on power conditioners from Furman showing what is lost by not using a power conditioner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAAEhtAUT34

inspiredsports

leftwinger57 wrote: »

Luckily where I live we rarely have power problems except for the infrequent car hit the pole killing the x-former.For me the only thing that i worry about is lightening in the summer and there'es not much you can do about a direct hit. For the stray voltages that might happen I'm using a Samson p-15 9outlet plugcenter.This is way beefier than a plug strip ,rack mountable, 14gu 3prong h/d power cord,a lighted rocker switch and 1 front outlet for convienence,resetable circuit breaker on the front and I believe gives 5000 and change in joules protection.

You might be missing the gist of the original poster's point.

The protection is nice, but I've never used a power conditioner on AV or stereo gear for the protection feature.

The benefit is in having clean, regulated power that improves picture quality and sound quality.

DarqueKnight

tommyt21 wrote: »

Seeing it with my own two eyes made me a clear believer.

It's a shame more people don't try this method.

tommyt21 wrote: »

Has anyone else had an experince like this or do you think the store was doing something sneaky?

I don't think the store was being sneaky. See figures 6-8 of this thread:

Tweaking Home Theater Part 7-PS Audio PerfectWave P5 and P10 AC Regenerators

tommyt21

DarqueKnight wrote: »

It's a shame more people don't try this method.



I don't think the store was being sneaky. See figures 6-8 of this thread:


Tweaking Home Theater Part 7-PS Audio PerfectWave P5 and P10 AC Regenerators

Thanks DK, that is one beautiful system. i really like the cropped pictures of the eye. It showed exactly what I saw in the store demo. A cleaner, sharper, deeper picture.

cstmar01

If you do have dirty crappy power it will help. If you have fairly clean, it can make an improvement still. Try it and see is a good thing to do.

However I think there are better than Monster for them however so just keep a look out.

tommyt21

cstmar01 wrote: »

If you do have dirty crappy power it will help. If you have fairly clean, it can make an improvement still. Try it and see is a good thing to do.

However I think there are better than Monster for them however so just keep a look out.

I ordered the Belkin PF30 it will be in tommorrow

KayMan2

tommyt21 wrote: »

I ordered the Belkin PF30 it will be in tommorrow

Let us know what your experience is before / after!

steveinaz

TIP: the Belkin PF60 is only (shhhhhh) $124.99/free shipping at Amazon. Only 5 left though. When first released, this thing was over $500. leave me 1 please.

mdaudioguy

nwohlford wrote: »

Did he switch which TV and blu-ray was plugged into which strip? If the good picture followed the TV hooked up to the power conditioner, it would definitely be pretty convincing.

Although I use a PC myself, I'm still skeptical of in-store demos... even when using my own eyes. So, it's definitely worth asking some people I trust, even though there's already a ton of info out there. That is an interesting thought, though... switching the plugs. I'd love to find out what the results would have been. Something tells me that they set it up so it's not really possible to do so...

tommyt21

steveinaz wrote: »

TIP: the Belkin PF60 is only (shhhhhh) $124.99/free shipping at Amazon. Only 5 left though. When first released, this thing was over $500. leave me 1 please.

Mother effin crap!!! The Pf30 is going to be here tommorrow, I guess its going back....Sunn of a Gunn when I checked yesterday the pf60 was 186 bucks.....AHHHHHHHHH!!!! Amazon...
Just put in the order for the PF60. It will be here saturday

PS. Thanks Steve:redface:

tommyt21

Steve there must be people ordeing it right now because there is only 2 left lol.

EndersShadow

I am sure buy.com will have some left still . If not just get the APC H15 or H10, or something from Panamax

bikezappa

Does anyone wonder what high end electronic equipment has for filters for the 120 volt line?

Wouldn't you think these manufacturers would put a filter system in the original equipment if the improvemnets are dramatic?

Just asking.

Filter design is not rock science.

steveinaz

No problem Tommy, enjoy.

adabro

bikezappa wrote: »

Does anyone wonder what high end electronic equipment has for filters for the 120 volt line?

Wouldn't you think these manufacturers would put a filter system in the original equipment if the improvemnets are dramatic?

Just asking.

Filter design is not rock science.

I found an older review of the PF30 that relates to what I think you’re saying…

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/hi-fi-accessories/belkin-pureav-pf30-94279/review


But $125 is not a lot to add a cool new toy to your setup, if the Canadian pricing was not so out of whack I’d try one myself.

DarqueKnight

bikezappa wrote: »

Does anyone wonder what high end electronic equipment has for filters for the 120 volt line?

Wouldn't you think these manufacturers would put a filter system in the original equipment if the improvemnets are dramatic?

Just asking.

Filter design is not rock science.

I don't understand your logic.

No one is saying that the filters in electonic equipment power supplies are bad or inadequate. It is just that some people are interested in higher performance alternatives.

It is the same concept as switching out the tires on a brand new automobile. Do auto manufacturers know how to choose tires that meet safety and performance standards? Sure they do. Tire design is not rocket science. Yet, there is a brisk, multi-million dollar business in aftermarket tire sales for brand new cars.

If I understand you correctly, your postition is that power conditioners are a waste of money because the component's power supply is "good enough". Is my understanding correct?

Just as most people are not interested in high performance tires, most electronics consumers, even high end electronics consumers, are not interested in tweaking to the nth degree. Therefore, most manufacturers do not tweak their products to the nth degree.

Figures 6-8 of this thread:

Tweaking Home Theater Part7: PS Audio PerfectWave P5 and P10 AC Regenerators

illustrate the performance benefit of using AC regenerators with my Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma television. The picture was spectacular with just plugging the unit into the wall. Viewing close-up images of individual pixels showed that they had more sharpness, definition and color range when plugged into a regenerator (which drastically reduced power line noise). There was even a noticeable difference between two AC regenerators with different performance levels.

inspiredsports

bikezappa wrote: »

Does anyone wonder what high end electronic equipment has for filters for the 120 volt line?

Wouldn't you think these manufacturers would put a filter system in the original equipment if the improvemnets are dramatic?

Just asking.

Filter design is not rock science.

The theme of this thread was kind of that the original poster decided to try it for himself.

He gets an A+ . . . you, not so much.

mdaudioguy

bikezappa wrote: »

Filter design is not rock science.

Filter design is not geology? :cheesygrin:

tonyb

inspiredsports wrote: »

He gets an A+ . . . you, not so much.

WAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Ok man, march your **** over here and clean the pizza off my screen.

DarqueKnight

bikezappa wrote: »

Filter design is not rock science.

mdaudioguy wrote: »

Filter design is not geology? :cheesygrin:

But...but...but...don't some filters use rock science? Carbon granules are rocks and those rocks are used in water filters.

Electronic filters use resistors and resistors are made of carbon (rocks) and other ceramic metallic (rocks) material.

So yes, filter design does incorporate rock science.

ibewbrother

Is a Power conditioner basically an isolation transformer? I have a few nice 120 / 120s at work....

SRTer

Hey guys, I wasn't sure about the power conditioners either and felt that it was "snake oil". However, the power sequencing for my older amp really helped me sale the deal because I would forget to turn the amp off sometimes.

Now I have a Panamax M5300-PM and I can say I love it for the power sequencing most of all and secondly, it should be helping with the quality of my picture (which I can't truly say it did) and a little more insurance during a power surge.

I really didn't want to buy one due the fact the I normally saw Monster advertising these power conditioners at big box stores. Monster has been getting a bad reputation for overpriced HDMI cables and most people on the forums are now crying to stay away from Monster even when they had the supposedly coveted THX stamp of approval on their HDMI cables and other items.

Of course I learn all this after I already purchase hundreds of dollars in Monster HDMI cables from the “Monoprice anything is just as good or better” crowd.

Sometimes I don’t know what to think when it comes to the audio/video hobby but I just decided that I would buy the power conditioner but just not from Monster. Therefore, I’m a buy it and try it person. This is still limited by a budget.

I already have Monster HDMI cables and truth is, I just bought one with a chip in it from Best Buy and will most likely buy more but I’m limiting my purchase to them for anything else just in case. Secondly, the HDMI cable is wanted from Audioquest is even crazier with the price. Plus, I see Panamax has another power conditioner with a regulated power supply which is just above my current model and I want that one too.

Upgrade-i-tis in a MOTHER!

Conradicles

wow...

EndersShadow

And away we go:

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See quote 2 in my sig for my thoughts....

tommyt21

I sent the Belkin PF30 back at lunch today. The belkin PF60 will be herre Saturday morning. An Ironic thing happened right before the UPS guy delivered the PF30 we had a minor electrical flicker then the power went out to the whole neighbor hood for a few minutes. Now I really feel like getting the Belkin PF60 was ment to be!!

I hate reseting all the clocks :redface:

Drenis

The PF 60 isn't going to prevent the power from going out... you'll still be resetting those clocks.

tommyt21

Drenis wrote: »

The PF 60 isn't going to prevent the power from going out... you'll still be resetting those clocks.

I know that part, however our power outages happen at least 3-4 times a year and they always seem to come with flickering/surge before it goes out.

Drenis

Gotcha

steveinaz

I couldn't resist at $129, I bought a PF60 as well. I've been using a Middle Atlantic power strip forever.