My controversial post of the year...

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,647
edited February 2012 in 2 Channel Audio
I am not saying I am running the perfect setup utilizing the Squeezebox or anything -

But, I really do not see how much better this source can get and I am running lossless wav...

This has absolutely nothing on a super high end CD player..

Not even in the same universe...

But - I will say I do not regret my decision simply because I just do not sit down and listen to music but curiosity definitely got me.

I think I may track down a used Musical Fidelity CDP in the 300 ish range to throw in the rig for when I do want to sit down and really listen... :)

I know its not the Decco 2 or the Parasound - I ran the Symphonic Line player for a little bit and it sounded fantastic... :)

End controversial post, putting on flame suit...
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited February 2012
    VR3 wrote: »
    I am not saying I am running the perfect setup utilizing the Squeezebox or anything -

    But, I really do not see how much better this source can get and I am running lossless wav...

    This has absolutely nothing on a super high end CD player..

    Not even in the same universe...

    But - I will say I do not regret my decision simply because I just do not sit down and listen to music but curiosity definitely got me.

    I think I may track down a used Musical Fidelity CDP in the 300 ish range to throw in the rig for when I do want to sit down and really listen... :)

    I know its not the Decco 2 or the Parasound - I ran the Symphonic Line player for a little bit and it sounded fantastic... :)

    End controversial post, putting on flame suit...

    Bro, help some of us that have no clue what you're talking about understand, lol.

    Did you buy a squeezbox and use the RCA outs? Did you run it into a DAC and not like what you heard?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited February 2012
    I using the DAC built into the Decco 2 which is the ESS 9006 Sabre

    I have been listening to music a long long time and you can tell where something is capable of going and the digital smearing on the squeezebox can be tamed further but I can tell you it is not even in the same league as a 3-5,000 dollar CD player... it is just missing what makes those players so special... hard to explain
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited February 2012
    VR3 wrote: »
    I using the DAC built into the Decco 2 which is the ESS 9006 Sabre

    I have been listening to music a long long time and you can tell where something is capable of going and the digital smearing on the squeezebox can be tamed further but I can tell you it is not even in the same league as a 3-5,000 dollar CD player... it is just missing what makes those players so special... hard to explain

    Ahhh, okay. You're talking about your Peachtree Decco 2 purchase.

    I've heard CDP's in that price range at hifi shops but I've never brought one home. Have you had a DAC that competes with the super high end CDP's?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited February 2012
    No I have not had a 3,000 DAC - but if I did I would get a player with a input to it - having a dedicated DAC in that price range (for me) is not really practical...

    I am sure if you are willing to spend that kind of coin on the DAC it might get close, but I would definitely want something with a transport of some fashion built onto it to maxmize what I am getting for my money...

    I have just read to many threads claiming the Squeezebox can replace these high end players and I just have to disagree at this point in time.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited February 2012
    VR3 wrote: »
    No I have not had a 3,000 DAC - but if I did I would get a player with a input to it - having a dedicated DAC in that price range (for me) is not really practical...

    I am sure if you are willing to spend that kind of coin on the DAC it might get close, but I would definitely want something with a transport of some fashion built onto it to maxmize what I am getting for my money...

    I have just read to many threads claiming the Squeezebox can replace these high end players and I just have to disagree at this point in time.

    Maybe the Squeezebox won't, but this will. It is on my 2012 upgrade list.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited February 2012
    VR3 wrote: »
    I have just read to many threads claiming the Squeezebox can replace these high end players and I just have to disagree at this point in time.

    Amen brother, Amen!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2012
    Who told you to buy the Peachtree?
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,966
    edited February 2012
    With all due respect, your comparing a 300 buck device to a 3-5 grand cdp, did you really expect it to be in the same league ?

    As far as a cdp goes, look for some older Cary cdp's, some have digital in's that you could use for the squeezebox too.

    I'm still in the camp of a good cdp will smack downloaded music too, but it is getting closer, no cigar though. For casual listening, you can't beat it. Serious listening is still done on those little silver things....CD's I believe you call them.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited February 2012
    I've only messed around with the Squeezebox once and it's really cool. We do Sonos with great success. THe Cambridge Audio Dac Magic and a Sonos ZP90 or Connect (new model ) sounds damn close to a high end CD player or as good. The gap is so close that the convenience outweigh's the last 1% better that a high end CD player can bring. It's not even easy to hear the difference if you do a side by side. I think it's the quality of the file that makes the difference here. The DAC also has a lot to do with the end result.
    Just in theory if you have a hard drive filled with music and it's bit for bit perfect to the original and sent to a high end DAC , I don't see how it can sound any different. I've heard this done with our Audiophile Salesman's Music server and it sounds unbelievable. He even has SACD and DVD AUDIO rips on it that just blow your mind. He has all these crazy music players on it that you can totally adjust settings to your liking. It to me seems like a lot of work but he loves it as he can have all his music in one place , control it with his Droid and enjoy hours of cool **** playlists.

    I love a great CD player but when you can have all your music in one place and access it easily , I see no need for a High end CD player anymore.
    Curious does the Squeezebox compress the audio files? What if your running >wav , Flac or Lossless files? Are they compressed more?

    I also don't think you need a flame suit as the schools of thought will be personal. Some people just like the CD and some like ripping them. If you don't mind keeping thousands of CD's in a display case or closet where you go and find what you want to listen to , put it in the disc tray , take it back out when you discover it skips due to a finger print , go clean it , put it back in and then listen , it's cool.
    I'm looking for a replacement for Blu ray as I think the format sucks ****. Best audio and video experience but to many problems. Once they figure out how to give you Blu ray quality streaming or allow you to rip them , I'm in.
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited February 2012
    I've never heard anyone say that the SQB can replace a 3k CDP; what people say is that the SQB can replace a 3k CD transport. That's a horse of a different color.


    You need to compare the SQB running digitally to a CD transport also running digitally to the same exact DAC; that's the only way to actually compare their respctive transporting capabilities.


    A 3-5k CDP had BETTER have better DACs in it than your Nova!... lol!:cheesygrin:



    edit:

    I bet the SQB paired with a 3-5k external DAC would sound better than a 3-5k CDP, as the DAC's in the external will probably beat the player's DAC's.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2012
    VR3 wrote: »

    I have just read to many threads claiming the Squeezebox can replace these high end players and I just have to disagree at this point in time.

    It absolutely does, when paired with a proper power supply and DAC. The Decco has a decent dac section but certainly not like a $3K cdp. Why would you make the comment you do knowing that the Decco isn't up to the standard and then blame the SQB entirely. Kinda silly if yo ask me.

    Set-up properly the SQB competes with high end players very well. If you are going to handicap the SQB and then make your assumptions, that's just ridiculous. I am not discounting your view that if you are going to spend a lot a on dac you'd rather have it with a transport so you feel you get better value; that's your preference. But for me, a transport would never be used. It's archaic to me after living with all my music at my finger tips. Going back to loading a single cd, won't happen for me.

    H9

    P.s. All I can say is in the beginning, 3 years ago or so, I was as skeptical as anyone about the SQB products. After spending time with them, setting them up properly and having a very nice dac attached, I am 1000% a believer.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited February 2012
    I like the SB a whole lot.Easy and convenient for all the PC stuff i have.I run it through a MF M1 DAC and it sounds very good.
    BUT,it just doesnt compare to a great hard disc player IMHO.
    Just hooked up a new pre yesterday.I haven't even hooked up the SB yet.The hard disc player is the money shot.That is what is used for critical listening for me.
    For the $$ the SB is great for what it does but you will never convince me that a 200 dollar piece,even with a great DAC will match a top notch cd/sacd disc player.
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited February 2012
    brgman wrote: »
    I like the SB a whole lot.Easy and convenient for all the PC stuff i have.I run it through a MF M1 DAC and it sounds very good.
    BUT,it just doesnt compare to a great hard disc player IMHO.
    Just hooked up a new pre yesterday.I haven't even hooked up the SB yet.The hard disc player is the money shot.That is what is used for critical listening for me.
    For the $$ the SB is great for what it does but you will never convince me that a 200 dollar piece,even with a great DAC will match a top notch cd/sacd disc player.

    brg, have you compared your SB to the CDP in question, both using the M1 DAC? Or is it that your CDP's DAC is just better than the M1?
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited February 2012
    I have a squeezebox. I've also used 2k transports in the past (Meitner stuff, google it.) and i can say the Squeezeboc running AIFF files into my DAC is as good. My DAC isn't ultra expensive but bests most I've compared directly (DAC Magic, Benchmark). In fact I've only found one digital source to beat my setup (Mark Levinson no. 512) and it was a series of trade offs but I found the ML had a smoother presentation across the entire audible range. I can't possibly proclaim my front end bests all out there under 5k too many to compare, but I'd be awfully supervised if it didn't beat most.

    The Squeezebox is a cheap and easy way to use as close to reference transport as possible (Mac computer running third part software or PC running J River). You will notice every high end audio show has stopped using CD's and have replaced them with computers and a DAC. The SB can get you very close to this performance with inexpensive cost and much easier setup

    Just my experience...
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2012
    brgman wrote: »
    I like the SB a whole lot.Easy and convenient for all the PC stuff i have.I run it through a MF M1 DAC and it sounds very good.
    BUT,it just doesnt compare to a great hard disc player IMHO.
    Just hooked up a new pre yesterday.I haven't even hooked up the SB yet.The hard disc player is the money shot.That is what is used for critical listening for me.
    For the $$ the SB is great for what it does but you will never convince me that a 200 dollar piece,even with a great DAC will match a top notch cd/sacd disc player.

    First of all you aren't clear whether your opinion comes from comparing apples to apples (SQB and transport with the same dac) or apples to oranges (SQB w/M1 dac and just the hard disc player). Also, I don't think anyone ever said the SQB competes with SACD. How could it, it can't play SACD material.

    Let's not start skewing the lines here by saying things that others haven't said just to shore up your POV.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited February 2012
    I guess it's "skewing" the lines when it doesn't agree with you Brock?
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited February 2012
    falconcry72 wrote: »
    brg, have you compared your SB to the CDP in question, both using the M1 DAC? Or is it that your CDP's DAC is just better than the M1?

    yes i have actually
    i'm not into arguing with you cats.you are all sold hhok line and sinker on the SB as the replacement for hard disc players.i'm not.no big deal.
    i like what i like you like what you like.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2012
    Being a SONOS junkie I have to say that there will never be another CD player for me. I don't care what it costs either. Pairing the SONOS with a CA DacMagic with an upgraded power supply, then polishing it off with a very nice tube buffer would have all you CD player guys eating crow all day long. Now you add in the huge convenience factor of having all your music at your fingertips simply obliverates the need for a CD player. The times are changing are you!!!
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited February 2012
    Brgman,

    What is the best CD players you've ever heard?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2012
    brgman wrote: »
    I guess it's "skewing" the lines when it doesn't agree with you Brock?

    No not at all, but stating it won't compete with SACD does skew the lines as SACD is a completely different animal and the SQB doesn't do SACD. It just seemed by adding that phrase you were trying to shore up you reasons why the SQB is lesser than a stand alone player and I was just pointing out no one here (that I know of) has ever said it would do SACD.

    You are entitled to your opinion and now that you have sort of clarified your comparison then it's all good. Buy and listen to what you want. I was asking for more clarity of your POV since it was a only a couple of vague sentences.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited February 2012
    brgman wrote: »
    yes i have actually
    i'm not into arguing with you cats.you are all sold hhok line and sinker on the SB as the replacement for hard disc players.i'm not.no big deal.
    i like what i like you like what you like.

    Hey, man, I don't know who "you cats" is, but it ain't me; I don't even have a SQB! lol.:cheesygrin:

    I was just curious as to how you compared the SQB to the CDP.


    BTW, I've used one of those M1's before, and it's a sweet DAC. Super high bang for the buck.




    I would like to add that my Audio GD Digital Interface USB > SPDIF converter running to my Audio GD NFB-7 DAC sounds better than my ARC CD-1 CDP. Why? Because the NFB-7 DAC is superior to the ARC CD-1's internal DAC's (which are damn good, btw). The ARC CD-1 has an "oh-so-slight" edge over the Digital Interface as a transport, though, when they're both feeding the NFB-7. It's so slight that I think it may just be placebo. Sometimes I can hear it, sometimes not... but placebo or not, it's damn sure not enough to make me switch back to CD's!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2012
    As far the "hook, line and sinker" comment; it infers you think we were some how swindled into buying the SQB. I spent the better part of a year making my evaluation on the SQB II. When the Touch became available I bought it as well as shoring up it's weak link, the power supply. If that's "hook, line and sinker", then so be it.

    It's those kinds of inflammatory statements that makes the topic argumentative............oh wait, that's right you don't want to argue with us "cats" :razz:

    Lol.....it's all good.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited February 2012
    whatever brock
    you look for a fight in every post
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited February 2012
    I understand the DAC I am using is not the end all be all or even comparable to the Symphonic Line.

    Frankly I just am not that interested in going back to that quality level ever again...

    But from what I hear from the Squeezebox I just have a hard time it can even step into the same universe as those players, a DAC can only make so much of a difference - I know it is the heart and soul but there is definitely something else that is OFF in that device.

    It may very well be the power supply, I have seen some for around 150-200 bucks and I might pick one up out of curiosity to give it a whirl...
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2012
    WOW, you think I'm fighting?

    So you can express your opinion, then I ask for more info because it's very vague. Then we have a discussion and now I'm looking for a fight?

    WOW.

    I'll remember in the future to just read others comments but not comment myself. Did I call you names, hurt your pride, beat you down in some way? I simply asked for more clarification and pointed out a couple sentences were a little inflammatory so expect people to take you to task on those comments.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited February 2012
    29 posts deep and here comes the left turn!
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited February 2012
    VR3,

    Specifically what players are you comparing?
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited February 2012
    Also, are you ripping files to actual WAV or WMP lossless?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited February 2012
    Symphonic Line Klarheit II vs. Squeezebox

    I have heard various other high end players but I owned the Symphonic Line for years...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited February 2012
    I am using actual WAV lossless, highest possible transfer
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