Amp for RTia9, Adcom, Emotiva, or????
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I have RTI A9s first paired with a XPA-2 and onkyo 1008 it was Somewhat bright, but with my marantz av7005 the sound is amazing. Wow a whole new speaker. I personally love Emotiva stuff and will prolly buy more amps!!!!
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Huuuge thanks to everybody who's chimed in. I settled on an amp, an older Parasound HCA-1206 that I picked up from a member on Audiogon. I liked the flexibility of six channels, and the ability to bridge 3/4 and 5/6 for 350wpc and still power the center.
Biggest difference so far? I no longer need a subwoofer for music, these speakers can thump! Audioslave was the first thing I listened to, from the bass guitar riffs to the drum hits you can hear and FEEL everything, all while the reciever is a full -3db lower volume! It has added a LOT of richness and depth to the music that just wasn't there before and toned down a lot of the harsh brightness of the A9's.
I figure I'll play with this for a while and keep an eye out for a good deal on the next best thing, perhaps some massive two channel amp and keep the Parasound for the center/rears. :razz:Up
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I have RTI A9s first paired with a XPA-2 and onkyo 1008 it was Somewhat bright, but with my marantz av7005 the sound is amazing. Wow a whole new speaker. I personally love Emotiva stuff and will prolly buy more amps!!!!
So, the Marantz made things right and yet you give praise to the emo? Yeah, right :rolleyes:Political Correctness'.........defined
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So, the Marantz made things right and yet you give praise to the emo? Yeah, right :rolleyes:
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So, the Marantz made things right and yet you give praise to the emo? Yeah, right :rolleyes:
Sometimes I really wonder about ya'll. Both of you have mentioned how important synergy in a system is, and that is exactly what Offsetx is describing. It is similar to how many enjoy and praise the Polk RTi/RTiA series speakers, even though they are on the bright side. In those cases it is recommended to use a warmer pre and/or amp to tame the brightness. In this case with Emotiva, it is a warmer preamp that brought the proper synergy to his system. I really don't see the difference, but I don't see ya'll criticizing those who praise the RTi/RTiA speakers.nooshinjohn wrote: »Some folks just don't learn their lessons the first time Jesse.
The only difference is that it is Emotiva, and you can't put aside your hatred for the brand. We are all well aware of it, so there is no need to criticize the brand (and the people who like it) every chance you get. It is both unnecessary and childish to continually do so. -
Sometimes I really wonder about ya'll. Both of you have mentioned how important synergy in a system is, and that is exactly what Offsetx is describing. It is similar to how many enjoy and praise the Polk RTi/RTiA series speakers, even though they are on the bright side. In those cases it is recommended to use a warmer pre and/or amp to tame the brightness. In this case with Emotiva, it is a warmer preamp that brought the proper synergy to his system. I really don't see the difference, but I don't see ya'll criticizing those who praise the RTi/RTiA speakers.
The only difference is that it is Emotiva, and you can't put aside your hatred for the brand. We are all well aware of it, so there is no need to criticize the brand (and the people who like it) every chance you get. It is both unnecessary and childish to continually do so.
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One thing I like about the Emotiva forum is that brand hating isn't tolerated. A LOT of us Polkies own Emotiva gear too, I don't get why it's still funny to diss em'. Let me guess, it's justified because it's your (not pointing fingers) duty to inform people about better gear and hold the standard of the forum? Try that in your neighborhood. Tell your neighbor his car sucks and he could do better.
I'm glad to see more and more CP members not taking that crap anymore. Seems like their is a rise against this kind of behavior lately. I think it's a really good thing. With out rules in the house, you can be sure there will be chaos. -
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One thing I like about the Emotiva forum is that brand hating isn't tolerated.
It's called heavy handed censorship in order to have positive press. It is okay to praise Emo, but negative statements are not allowed. In case you have not noticed, blatant brand bashing is not allowed here. Differing opinions are tolerated.A LOT of us Polkies own Emotiva gear too, I don't get why it's still funny to diss em'. Let me guess, it's justified because it's your (not pointing fingers) duty to inform people about better gear and hold the standard of the forum? Try that in your neighborhood. Tell your neighbor his car sucks and he could do better.
I'm glad to see more and more CP members not taking that crap anymore. Seems like their is a rise against this kind of behavior lately. I think it's a really good thing. With out rules in the house, you can be sure there will be chaos.
This statement makes no sense in regard to this thread. The OP stated
"I have RTI A9s first paired with a XPA-2 and onkyo 1008 it was Somewhat bright, but with my marantz av7005 the sound is amazing. Wow a whole new speaker. I personally love Emotiva stuff and will prolly buy more amps!!!! "
Translation: The Marantz AV7005 pre/pro ($1600) with the Emo XPA-2 ($799) amp makes the sound amazing, so I will probably buy more Emotiva amps. ?????
Others pointed out the contradiction in that statement, and then you and BeefJerky started calling it Emo hatred. Go figure. :rolleyes:
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It's called heavy handed censorship in order to have positive press. It is okay to praise Emo, but negative statements are not allowed. In case you have not noticed, blatant brand bashing is not allowed here. Differing opinions are tolerated.
This statement makes no sense in regard to this thread. The OP stated
"I have RTI A9s first paired with a XPA-2 and onkyo 1008 it was Somewhat bright, but with my marantz av7005 the sound is amazing. Wow a whole new speaker. I personally love Emotiva stuff and will prolly buy more amps!!!! "
Translation: The Marantz AV7005 pre/pro ($1600) with the Emo XPA-2 ($799) amp makes the sound amazing, so I will probably buy more Emotiva amps. ?????
Others pointed out the contradiction in that statement, and then you and BeefJerky started calling it Emo hatred. Go figure. :rolleyes:
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_642AV7005/Marantz-AV7005.html?tp=47509
http://www.emotiva.com/xpa2.shtm
Obviously, I wasn't addressing the OP. And what's even more obvious if you've been around this forum for any length of time is this isn't the first time it has happened. Last but not least, it's obvious you're playing dumb and I don't even have the time for that 'ish! Good night. -
And yet I see certain posters repeatedly get away with it.In case you have not noticed, blatant brand bashing is not allowed here.
As they should be.Differing opinions are tolerated.
Let's try rewording his statement to take out the part referring to the Emotiva amp:This statement makes no sense in regard to this thread. The OP stated
"I have RTI A9s first paired with a XPA-2 and onkyo 1008 it was Somewhat bright, but with my marantz sr7005 the sound is amazing. Wow a whole new speaker. I personally love Emotiva stuff and will prolly buy more amps!!!! "
Translation: The Marantz AV7005 pre/pro ($1600) with the Emo XPA-2 ($799) amp makes the sound amazing, so I will probably buy more Emotiva amps. ?????
Others pointed out the contradiction in that statement, and then you and BeefJerky started calling it Emo hatred. Go figure. :rolleyes:
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_642AV7005/Marantz-AV7005.html?tp=47509
http://www.emotiva.com/xpa2.shtm
"I have RTI A9s first paired with an onkyo 1008 and it was Somewhat bright, but with my marantz av7005 the sound is amazing. Wow a whole new speaker. I personally love RTI speakers and will prolly buy more!!!!"
No one around here would criticize the poster for this statement now that it doesn't mention an Emotiva amp. However, it is describing exactly the same thing as his original statement: synergy. There is no contradiction in his original statement.
If his Emo amp and speakers sound better with a particular preamp versus another, that simply boils down to synergy or even personal preference. His statement does not in anyway constitute a fault in Emotiva amps, so him saying he loves them is not a contradiction.
Besides, if his comment really describes a failure of Emotiva amps as some here seem to think, then any other comments about an amp sounding better with another preamp should indicate a fault in that amp as well. This would include some favorites around here such as Parasound, Adcom or Sunfire. However, we all know that isn't the case, therefore it doesn't apply to the Emotiva either.
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So, BlueFox, please do elaborate on your claim of his supposed contradiction.
Gladly. The OP stated that by substituting the $1600 Marantz AV7005 pre/pro with his Emotiva XPA-2 amp, "the sound is amazing". So, he "prolly" will buy more Emotiva amps.
While that is fine, it makes no sense. If the pre-amp is making the sound better then, maybe, buying other pre-amps is the way to go. Or, maybe, buying the companion Marantz amp is another choice. However, by saying the sound is better with another pre-amp, so he will buy more Emotiva amps makes no sense. He may as well say that since the Marantz pre/pro makes the sound better he will buy more cables.
As I said, his point was a contradiction, and others pointed it out. However, for whatever reason, it appears that some Emotiva owners/supporters have a chip on their shoulder, and find insults where none exist.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Reread the statement you are talking about. He said he will "prolly" buy more Emotiva amps because he "personally loves" them. He didn't actually state that he would buy more or that he loves them because of the the change of preamps. You are reading something that is not there. I guess the OP could clarify if he wanted.Gladly. The OP stated that by substituting the $1600 Marantz AV7005 pre/pro with his Emotiva XPA-2 amp, "the sound is amazing". So, he "prolly" will buy more Emotiva amps.
Again, I think this still boils down to unjustified assumptions about his statement. He simply said that he will buy more because he "personally loves" them.While that is fine, it makes no sense. If the pre-amp is making the sound better then, maybe, buying other pre-amps is the way to go. Or, maybe, buying the companion Marantz amp is another choice. However, by saying the sound is better with another pre-amp, so he will buy more Emotiva amps makes no sense. He may as well say that since the Marantz pre/pro makes the sound better he will buy more cables.
See above.As I said, his point was a contradiction, and others pointed it out.
You can turn a blind eye to the Emotiva bashing if you like, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. As audiocr381ve said, this isn't a one time thing, this is a repeated offense. I don't own any Emotiva equipment, nor am I necessarily a supporter; I'm actually quite neutral. I do, however, have a problem with repeated brand-bashing as happens regularly with Emotiva.However, for whatever reason, it appears that some Emotiva owners/supporters have a chip on their shoulder, and find insults where none exist.
I will repeat some questions to those who have a grudge against Emotiva. These have been asked in the past and never really answered.
Why do you feel the need to post your hatred in nearly every thread where the brand is mentioned? Why do you feel the need to put down others and their choice of equipment so often? Why not just post a "glad you're happy with it" post and move on. Or, even better, just not post at all? -
IMO for most of the posters that come in here wanting advice with their new TSi's, Monitor 70's, RTi-A's Emotiva is not a bad brand to recommend as most want new and want a warranty and most of all are on a budget. Is there a better amp? Yes!! But most people coming here are not looking to become an audiophile nor do most (it seems anyways) do not have the funds or interest in becoming one.Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎
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I have read on most Pro forum's review's.And from what they have stated about the amp's they have tested or reviewed, the B&K amp's seem too have a more refine mid too upper mid sound too them.Both are great amp's.One over the other is a matter of choice.
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Well, quite frankly, I don't care who bashes Emotiva, just don't say anything about his daughter cause we're dating:eek:.Source: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
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Others pointed out the contradiction in that statement, and then you and BeefJerky started calling it Emo hatred. Go figure. :rolleyes:
Nail, head, hammer!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
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Actually, I quite clearly pointed out that there is no real contradiction in the OP's statement. So, there are one of two possibilities here:Nail, head, hammer!!!
1) You read it wrong
2) You have a real problem with Emotiva bashing due to your hatred of the brand
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Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Right. Thank you for proving my point by trying to pass the blame.Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. -
I'm not trying to pass anything. I've clearly stated that there is something not right about you previously and your posts in this thread back that up.
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I think this whole thing is pretty entertaining, and to say the least, a bit of unnecessary finger pointing. If I may, bluefox and beefjerkey, you two are calling offsetx the OP which is from what I understand to be the original poster. Well, that's wrong, inspector24 is the "OP" annnd, offsetx chimed in to make his first ever posting and ended up creating a nasty little rif. Congratulations goes to offsetx for a champion first post, and btw, welcome to the forum.Source: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
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You are indeed correct about that; my mistake. I still stand by my statements regarding offsetx's post and the following comments however.I think this whole thing is pretty entertaining, and to say the least, a bit of unnecessary finger pointing. If I may, bluefox and beefjerkey, you two are calling offsetx the OP which is from what I understand to be the original poster. Well, that's wrong, inspector24 is the "OP" annnd, offsetx chimed in to make his first ever posting and ended up creating a nasty little rif. Congratulations goes to offsetx for a champion first post, and btw, welcome to the forum.
It's nice to know that you care. However, the difference between your posts and my posts in this thread is that I actually provided proper explanations to back up what I've said. This includes disproving the claims of contradiction in offsetx's post as well as pointing out the hypocrisy of your statements in regards to offsetx and Emotiva. You, on the other hand, resort to sarcastic, rude comments and try to shift the blame away from yourself. If you really think that I have problems with reading comprehension, then please feel free to elucidate and provide a proper rebuttal to my prior posts. Or you could simply man up and admit to your errors and move on.I'm not trying to pass anything. I've clearly stated that there is something not right about you previously and your posts in this thread back that up.
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Sorry, I was busy helping another Polkie repair and modify his amp.
Proper explanations!?! Yeah, in your mind and only in your mind. First off, there was absolutely no brand bashing. Not once did anyone say that Brand X sucked. That notion came from you because of your poor reading comprehension skills. Furthermore, at least 2 others found the contradiction in his post, so by my count that's 3 to 2, you lose.
Cya 'round....
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dpowell has a nice Parasound for a great price in the for sale forum.
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Good to hear! That is a very nice thing to do.Sorry, I was busy helping another Polkie repair and modify his amp.
Again, feel free to post something to back up your claims if you really believe you are right. As far as the brand bashing goes, this is something I've seen you do in multiple threads related to Emotiva. You can deny it if you want, but many others see it and I've seen them comment about it on multiple occasions. It just happens that audiocr381ve and I are the ones who commented on it this time. As far as 3 people making the claim of contradiction, that doesn't really count for anything unless they are actually correct in those claims. This isn't a popularity poll, this is simply a matter of right and wrong.Proper explanations!?! Yeah, in your mind and only in your mind. First off, there was absolutely no brand bashing. Not once did anyone say that Brand X sucked. That notion came from you because of your poor reading comprehension skills. Furthermore, at least 2 others found the contradiction in his post, so by my count that's 3 to 2, you lose.
As I said, I don't expect you to be able to admit to your mistakes, as you seem to believe that you are an infallible being. I've certainly made mistakes and said incorrect things on this forum, but I'm also been able to admit when I am wrong. Try it, it's good for the soul!
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Okay boys, enough with the bickering. I may have a solution to satisfy all concerned here. What if I was to say both parties are right concerning this Emo-Onkyo-Marantz issue due to some overlooked confusion?
And if I can say in F-1nut's defense, there was no brand bashing at all, just pointing out what looked to be a contradictory statement.
Lets look a little closer at the statement in question (again, hats off to offsetx for a stellar first post)I have RTI A9s first paired with a XPA-2 and onkyo 1008 it was Somewhat bright, but with my marantz av7005 the sound is amazing. Wow a whole new speaker. I personally love Emotiva stuff and will prolly buy more amps!!!!
Now this could go both ways depending on what was or wasn't said, at first glance, it appears that the Marantz did the best job on it's own in the sound department when compared to the Emo/Onk duo. If this is the case, than the poster does sound a bit out of context here.
What we're not seeing is if the poster connected his Emo amp to the Marantz avr to do his comparrison, if this were the case, than we're actually seeing that the Marantz is doing a better job of sound and not the Onkyo and that would leave the amp to be a neutral party in this comparison.
So, again, we welcome offsetx to the forum and could you please join in and clarify your statement about your comparison, did you use the Emo with both the Onkyo and the Marantz, or just the Emo/Onk vs the Marantz?
Thanks in advance.Source: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
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Really!!! How much longer can this go on!!!! Why dont you guys tell him like you tell everyone else on here that he needs to put a lot of power to the RTia 9's to make them sing. Period. I really don't see how bitching back and forth about who said what is helping the guy out.
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Really!!! How much longer can this go on!!!! Why dont you guys tell him like you tell everyone else on here that he needs to put a lot of power to the RTia 9's to make them sing. Period. I really don't see how bitching back and forth about who said what is helping the guy out.
How old are we again?
Ok Mr Eleven Posts,
Really? This bothers you that bad that you had to post and **** about it?
See how stupid your post looks? At least the other guys have mutual respect for each other, or did you miss that part?Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎
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Ok another 10 years old nerd acting like he's so smart. Give it up buddy. Get a life
