Pro Amps for home use!
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has any body heard any of the d-class amps on home subs ???
for example the peavey ipr 1600 or the behringer inuke 1000 .
I am driving four 12's I need 200 watts for each 12" , I appreciate any sugestions . -
I guess a pro amp would be good to run a butt kicker or bass shaker.AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
Rear: FXI A4
Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II -
Trust your ears,not your eyes......The Dac,pre-amp and/or Tube Buffer is 95% of Sound Quality,not the amp:eek:
Do you really think we don't?
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
has any body heard any of the d-class amps on home subs ???
for example the peavey ipr 1600 or the behringer inuke 1000 .
I am driving four 12's I need 200 watts for each 12" , I appreciate any sugestions .
I used a Peavey class D for a long time with subs. It worked real well. Lots of power and dynamics. Never ran out of steam. Was a bit noisy though with the cooling fans. -
I used a Peavey class D for a long time with subs. It worked real well. Lots of power and dynamics. Never ran out of steam. Was a bit noisy though with the cooling fans.
I ordered quieter fans for my QSC when I was running it. Made an unbelievable difference. The lights were the only thing that indicated it was on because it was so quiet. -
Do you really think we don't?
BDT
We need to be educated?????
95%???, yea right, sure it is, even then it would be totally lossy sounding, kinda like getting 95% lucky, almost, but you just never quite get there and leaving totally frustrated as the final result.
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Trust your ears,not your eyes......The Dac,pre-amp and/or Tube Buffer is 95% of Sound Quality,not the amp:eek:
Pure B.S.
Everything matters.................period.
Pro amps stink for home use if your goal is high fidelity. They just don't cut it, period.
H9
P.s. That certainly doesn't mean those of you that use them can't enjoy them. But those of you who continue to assert they are every bit as good as a well designed "home" amp are kind of clueless. As well as those of you who think the amp doesn't matter. We all have a different audio path, that 's alright. But you will never convince a race car driver a Hyundai is the same as a Ferrari..............because it's not."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Do you really think we don't?
BDT
Who is "we"?......My reply was to the thread starter,not to get into a dick-size argument. -
Pure B.S.
Everything matters.................period.
Pro amps stink for home use if your goal is high fidelity. They just don't cut it, period.
H9
P.s. That certainly doesn't mean those of you that use them can't enjoy them. But those of you who continue to assert they are every bit as good as a well designed "home" amp are kind of clueless. As well as those of you who think the amp doesn't matter. We all have a different audio path, that 's alright. But you will never convince a race car driver a Hyundai is the same as a Ferrari..............because it's not.
Pure snake-oil...beyond B.S.....comparing car engines to home amplifiers....what are we,simpletons?
Back in the 60's,Julian Hirsch of Audio and Stereo Review fame, espoused the same reasoned argument about cables and amplifiers,as I am......The "purists" tried to burn him at the stake....It didn't work with him....and it won't work with me,either.......To the newbies:put your money in the important things.Buy an inexpensive,well-made,well-built amp.....PERIOD! -
Define that, give some examples please. "Of an expensive, well-made, well-built amp." Because I can tell you for sure that I can damn sure tell a difference between my old trusty Peavey rack amp (guitar rig) and my vintage Onkyo Integra M504. And that is on any of the 12 pairs of speakers I own. Running the same pre, cd/dvd etc.....just changing out amps.--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Compare a high quality amp from the 60's to one built today, there wont be a comparison. What was considered high quality then, and even the 70's, is highly colored in comparison to even a 10 year old Adcom.Pure snake-oil...beyond B.S.....comparing car engines to home amplifiers....what are we,simpletons?
Back in the 60's,Julian Hirsch of Audio and Stereo Review fame, espoused the same reasoned argument about cables and amplifiers,as I am......The "purists" tried to burn him at the stake....It didn't work with him....and it won't work with me,either.......To the newbies:put your money in the important things.Buy an inexpensive,well-made,well-built amp.....PERIOD!"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
Cheap pro gear sounds exactly like that to me for 2ch stereo.... I use a pro amp in the studio with a pro mixer and generic CD player along with a laptop, makes recorded music sound flat, dull and so on, I would never use it for any sort of serious musical 2-ch listening enjoyment, the gear is just not meant to be used with hi-fi speakers, the noise floor is certainly an issue, works as intended for playing electronic instruments.
If I hooked the amp to the Sound Labs the inexpensive electronic parts would smoke and die.
Seems as if this pro gear issue comes along a couple times each year....generally pretty much the same comments, not much left to say, if someone digs it then go for it, however, you can expect some push back from others should you choose to expound its sound to those who have moved far beyond. We all started somewhere though, oh, and I am pretty sure 100% of the membership relies upon their ears to hear music....
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Who is "we"?......My reply was to the thread starter,not to get into a dick-size argument.
First you say this, the you go here....Pure snake-oil...beyond B.S.....comparing car engines to home amplifiers....what are we,simpletons?
Back in the 60's,Julian Hirsch of Audio and Stereo Review fame, espoused the same reasoned argument about cables and amplifiers,as I am......The "purists" tried to burn him at the stake....It didn't work with him....and it won't work with me,either.......To the newbies:put your money in the important things.Buy an inexpensive,well-made,well-built amp.....PERIOD!
Looks to me like you are throwing all your cards on the table here and looking to start an argument for sure. If it does turn into "dick-sized" argument, I would be careful because your line of thought is rather small.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
To the thread starter.....For efficient 8 ohm speakers,a pro-amp or any high-powered,high current amp is overkill for 2 ch sound.For inefficient 4 ohm speakers with a Crown or QSC power amp,the results will be spectacular.
To others......Have a nice day!
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well the dicking contest seems complete.....pietro doesn't even show, your also trolling for your agenda....have a nice night though.
RT1 -
Pure snake-oil...beyond B.S.....comparing car engines to home amplifiers....what are we,simpletons?
Back in the 60's,Julian Hirsch of Audio and Stereo Review fame, espoused the same reasoned argument about cables and amplifiers,as I am......The "purists" tried to burn him at the stake....It didn't work with him....and it won't work with me,either.......To the newbies:put your money in the important things.Buy an inexpensive,well-made,well-built amp.....PERIOD!
So you pass on snake oil but drink the koolaid?? -
Pure snake-oil...beyond B.S.....comparing car engines to home amplifiers....what are we,simpletons?
Back in the 60's,Julian Hirsch of Audio and Stereo Review fame, espoused the same reasoned argument about cables and amplifiers,as I am......The "purists" tried to burn him at the stake....It didn't work with him....and it won't work with me,either.......To the newbies:put your money in the important things.Buy an inexpensive,well-made,well-built amp.....PERIOD!
In all the years I've been in audio, that is the absolute worst advice I've heard.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
another idiot for the bozo list.....
I mean, really. I don't care what you listen to, I really don't. However, I've heard enough amplifiers that I have no vested interest in to conclude that, to my ears, they sound better/different. I chose not to use certain products because I don't like them. Bully for you if you do, however, who is to say that your opinion is any more enlightened than mine?
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
Where did the train of thought come from that amps are only 5% of the equation?Main Surround -
Epson 8350 Projector/ Elite Screens 120" / Pioneer Elite SC-35 / Sunfire Signature / Focal Chorus 716s / Focal Chorus CC / Polk MC80 / Polk PSW150 sub
Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250
Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD -
20hz,
I used a pair of 200w mono blocks Class D to power a pair of 12" subs at one point. Never felt the need for more power.
I also used them to power a pair of Maggies MG-12QR, Mirage M-3si and a few others. Sounded great on all those speakers.
But of course, there are good and bad Class D out there just like any other design. Hope this helps. -
Where did the train of thought come from that amps are only 5% of the equation?
I thought it sounded familiar, so I looked in my handy Chemical Rubber Company Handbook of Chemistry and Physics and found the pertinent equation:
Jay
SDA 2BTL * Musical Fidelity A5cr amp * Oppo BDP-93 * Modded Adcom GDA-600 DAC * Rythmik F8 (x2)
Micro Seiki DQ-50 * Hagerman Cornet 2 Phono * A hodgepodge of cabling * Belkin PF60
Preamp rotation: Krell KSL (SCompRacer recapped) * Manley Shrimp * PS Audio 5.0
