Pro Amps for home use!
Mother Mooch
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WOW...
Feed them with input voltage and they will kick you in da teeth!
Monitor 12'vs finally met their match
Feed them with input voltage and they will kick you in da teeth!
Monitor 12'vs finally met their match
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Mother Mooch wrote: »WOW...
Feed them with input voltage and they will kick you in da teeth!
Monitor 12'vs finally met their match
Whatcha workin' with there, Mooch?2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's
Living Room: PC > Marantz AV-7703 > Emotiva XPA-5 > Sonus Faber Liuto Towers, Sonus Faber Liuto Center, Sonus Faber Liuto Bookshelves > Dual SVS PC12-Pluses
Office: Phone/Tablet > AudioEngine B1 > McIntosh D100 > Bryston 4B-ST > Polk Audio LSiM-703's -
Mother Mooch wrote: »WOW! . . . they will kick you in da teeth! . . .
WOW! ... That's just what I think of when considering Polk's ability to deliver audiophile sound quality.VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
NAD SS rigs w/mods
GIK panels -
falconcry72 wrote: »Whatcha workin' with there, Mooch?
Qsc, GX5... Lots of power! -
inspiredsports wrote: »WOW! ... That's just what I think of when considering Polk's ability to deliver audiophile sound quality.
Have you tried them yet? A pro amp that is? Have you put one to the test? I have bratha... I can make my Polks sing now! -
That's a whole lotta bad sound. Yes, I've heard pro amps. Loud, definately. Harsh and un-musical? You betcha.
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
I use one in my home system and will use it when I get my maggie mmg's,very soon.This is a "third-rail" topic for so-called audio "purists",so I don't choose to elaborate,however,if you pm me,I'll give you my experience and some tips.Also,I'll give you a link to a well-educated pro-amp user,who raves about their intergration in a home system....peter
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Mother Mooch wrote: »Have you tried them yet? A pro amp that is? Have you put one to the test? I have bratha... I can make my Polks sing now!
Garbage in garbage out!
I've heard many "home" amps... Aint got the money for "real" amp as you see, All i say is give them (for the price) a chance! Aint never been happier with my speakers than now~! -
Listen, I have faith in a lot of things, I put my faith in this amp and it pulled through! WANNA come and listen? I have every reason to believe this amp will deliver!!!
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Yeah, I'm reconsidering this. I have over 2K in just 50 WPC that does a poor job of kicking me in the teeth. I could have gotten 5,000 Watts (100X more) with the QSC RMX5050 for $500 less, and could use the savings for dental repairs. I really screwed that up.VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
NAD SS rigs w/mods
GIK panels -
I was working on a Carver PM-950 last summer that was pretty impressive. It is rated 325W into 8 ohms, 475W into 4 ohms though I didn't get anywhere near the limits. It definitely rocked my RTA's.Stan
Main 2ch:
Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Benchmark DAC1, Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i; Technics SL-J2, Parasound PPH-100.
HT:
Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60
Other stuff:
Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601 -
I put my faith in GOD. PA amps are the Devil's work and I will have no part of them thank yo very much!:twisted:Mother Mooch wrote: »Listen, I have faith in a lot of things, I put my faith in this amp and it pulled through! WANNA come and listen? I have every reason to believe this amp will deliver!!!
Good day to you Sir!:cool:
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
I've tried a QSC RMX-1450 and it didn't sound to bad.
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audiocr381ve wrote: »I've tried a QSC RMX-1450 and it didn't sound to bad.
I have this amp(1450),as well as an older Crown amp....with my Dac and Yaqin Tube buffer....it sounds terrific...massive power,high current,huge damping factor...no distortion and will drive any 4 ohm speaker,with ease. -
VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
NAD SS rigs w/mods
GIK panels -
Me too!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
The GX5 is 399 - for 400 bones you could easily find a real amp...- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »The GX5 is 399 - for 400 bones you could easily find a real amp...
The money shot.
You can ALWAYS find a NAD, Parasound, Adcom, Carver etc... amp for half that, less if you are remotely diligent.
Of course, you could say, well, I have to have 5 billion wpc to rock my world...and that simply isn't true either. No way you are pumping that sort of juice, continuous, through your speakers.
It's not the third rail and personally, I really don't care....If you dig it, and it's yours then rock on. However, the fact remains that there are far better AND more economical choices so try and justify it as such just doesn't hold water.
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
The money shot.
You can ALWAYS find a NAD, Parasound, Adcom, Carver etc... amp for half that, less if you are remotely diligent.
Of course, you could say, well, I have to have 5 billion wpc to rock my world...and that simply isn't true either. No way you are pumping that sort of juice, continuous, through your speakers.
It's not the third rail and personally, I really don't care....If you dig it, and it's yours then rock on. However, the fact remains that there are far better AND more economical choices so try and justify it as such just doesn't hold water.
BDT
agreed.
the last time I heard a pro amp was at a college house party and I would rather leave it at that. -
Pro amps are great for sub-woofer applications.
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Pro amps are great for sub-woofer applications.
I'll go along with that, but thats as far as a pro amp goes for home use. Everyones idea of what good sound is varries. If you want that boom boom you hear in those cars rocking down the street, then by all means,try out a pro amp. For me anyway, it sounds like dog ****.
Funny, too many over the years come along to decry that their amp has a gazillion watts and thats why their system sounds soo good, and can reach ungodly spl's. Maybe if they understood how everything works, they'd realize that 80% of those gazillion watts isn't even being used. Build quality has more to do with what comes out the other end than mega watts on a spec sheet. Not like any of us haven't been down that road in the begining of our audio journey. Thing is, we know better now, while some still have yet to experience what higher end/mid-fi audio has to offer. Thats not a knock either, some are just at different stages of their own journey. If a pro amp floats your boat, rock it and be happy..... polk customer service has spare parts anyway.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
^^^ Agreed.
I read of the Behringer units being quite popular in the sub community, especially the DIY's. -
Not like any of us haven't been down that road in the begining of our audio journey. Thing is, we know better now, while some still have yet to experience what higher end/mid-fi audio has to offer. That's not a knock either, some are just at different stages of their own journey.
+1 to that. The mid-fi amps that I use now sound infinitely better than the proamps (Crown XLS602's, bridged at 1200 WPC!!!!) that I previously used. Once I heard the sweet sound of tubes (and it has all the SPL's I'll ever need at a whopping 50 WPC!!!! ) there was no turning back.SDA SRS 2.3TL's
Silk Audio MS-90-BT integrated tube amp
Yaqin MS-20L integrated tube amp
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I have used my QSC RMX2450 500watt per channel at 8ohms, to run two 18" Yamaha SW118v Pro Subs for those times when you really need to shake the earth.
I have used a Pro amp with Pro Speakers for house parties in the past but for sound pressure not sound quality.
To the OP, if it works for you have a ball, but like some others have said. For 400 bones you could find a real nice sounding used amp that would still kick you in the teeth and sound sweeter doing it. -
I've had pro amps in my current and previous rigs to hear what they can and can't do, the most recent being a Behringer borrowed from an acquaintance. Being a serious cheap **** if pro amps sounded as good as the power they offer I'd own them. But in my experience pro amps are like Happy Gilmore, loads of power but lacking in finesse, detail, etc.. Why is that? they are built to play loud in situations where quality of sound is very low on the list. They are designed to handle and be handled/moved by beer-fueled guys. The reason they are cheap is that the component parts are allowed to have a wide tolerance in measurements, which means much lower pricing per unit.
If you sit down and spend some time with them in direct comparison using an spl meter to match the db level and use DarqueKnight's (Dr. Raife Smith's) instrument placement charting method, you'll find that pro amps sound stage is much smaller, almost squished in comparison to home gear. The sound is muddied, lacking in honest resolution.Review Site_ (((AudioPursuit)))
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2 Ch. System
Amplifiers: Parasound Halo P6 pre, Vista Audio i34, Peachtree amp500, Adcom GFP-565 GFA-535ii, 545ii, 555ii
Digital: SimAudio HAD230 DAC, iMac 20in/Amarra,
Speakers: Paradigm Performa F75, Magnepan .7, Totem Model 1's, ACI Emerald XL, Celestion Si Stands. Totem Dreamcatcher sub
Analog: Technics SL-J2 w/Pickering 3000D, SimAudio LP5.3 phono pre
Cable/Wires: Cardas, AudioArt, Shunyata Venom 3 -
I'm gonna basically throw in the with the "use 'em if ya got 'em" crowd, but really, there are much better amps out there for about the same price.Turntable: Empire 208
Arm: Rega 300
Cart: Shelter 501 III
Phono Pre: Aural Thrills
Digital: Pioneer DV-79ai
Pre: Conrad Johnson ET3 SE
Amp: Conrad Johnson Evolution 2000
Cables: Cardas Neutral Reference
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Most of the time at normal listening levels according to my Carver A-753x's meters I only am using around 3.3 watts of power.
Referance leve I am around the 60-120 watt mark with around 130 watts on reserve.AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
Rear: FXI A4
Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II -
I've tried both Behringer and Crown units (XTi1000). The sound is loud...but agreed the sound was not "good".
It was harsh, loud, unrefined.
My Adcom 555 blew them both away, and that's just what we consider a "normal" amp here.
Different strokes for different folks I guess, but you won't find a pro amp in my rig unless it's attached to a passive sub.Main Surround -
Epson 8350 Projector/ Elite Screens 120" / Pioneer Elite SC-35 / Sunfire Signature / Focal Chorus 716s / Focal Chorus CC / Polk MC80 / Polk PSW150 sub
Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250
Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD -
I have used an old Crest 4000 amp that in my opinion not only plays very loud but sounds very nice also...must be that "synergy" thing eh?
Computer room Hegeman 1 SpeakersM&K VX-80 subKenwood DP-7010Cambridge Audio CXC Transport Rega DACPrimaLuna Prologue Four AmpAric Audio Tube PreampGarage Jennings Research SquareCustom tube preampCrown XLS-1000Denon DCD-1500II Modded MSB Link DAC -
Trust your ears,not your eyes......The Dac,pre-amp and/or Tube Buffer is 95% of Sound Quality,not the amp:eek:
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I think the OP's preffered sound is loud and dynamic with lots of slam. A lot of people who enjoy this kind of sound are not really looking for finesse.
I enjoy that kind of sound, but I also enjoy refined sound. That's why I enjoy both SS and tubes.
But if you really want to rock out like an animal, pro amps and pro speakers will kick you in the nuts lol.
Glad you found an amp you enjoy, Mooch. Happy listening.
