Firearms Owners

dorokusai

First of all, this isn't a thread to post your pics or even lightly chat about what you own or bring to the range.

I'd like to organize an offline mailing list of Polkies that are interested in the subject matter. This would be to talk about new purchases, laws, local events, stories and anything that may be of interest above and beyond our love for Polk loudspeakers and products. If you're a new owner or prospective owner, it will provide a known and comfortable venue for you to ask questions.

Again, this thread is NOT intended for an actual discussion, it's just an exchange of basic contact information via PM. I'm reaching out to those that fidget when the subject is brought up and quickly closed down. I know we can't talk about it here, and respect that but also recognize that there are a number of us that have multiple hobbies, of which this is one of them. I'd like to further engage membership and cultivate another aspect of our Polkie family.

If you would like to join a group of the caliber, please shoot me a PM with your vital signs(First Name/Alias and Email). It will be 100% private and the contact information is and will be kept within the group and after its creation is simply a mailing list like any other. The recipients will be blind copied in regards to anything from me and organized internally if that's a concern to those involved.

Just asking...feel free to dismiss.

Again, if you are interested, please PM me with your generic email or request my information for contact.

Regards,
Mark

dorokusai

WOW....10 PM's in 15 minutes....sweet. Thanks guys, looking forward to trading and bragging about the more destructive side of our hobbies :biggrin:

It's ok to not post in this thread, just hit me up privately. I'll take the proverbial bullet for everyone.

I'll send out a meet and greet email on Sunday.

dorokusai

17 ppl so far....that's basically half the active membership.

JustinHEMI

I am fairly new here so could someone explain why firearms aren't allowed to be discussed?

BeRad

Cause dem's da rules. Wise men don't question the rules of CP, they just abide!

gdb

It just is..... what it is.

JustinHEMI

Who is the admin here?

ESavinon

Sounds exactly like having an affair. :biggrin:

decal

BeRad wrote: »

Cause dem's da rules. Wise men don't question the rules of CP, they just abide!

I guess the rules don't apply to everyone !!!!!

bobman1235

JustinHEMI wrote: »

I am fairly new here so could someone explain why firearms aren't allowed to be discussed?

It's just one of those topics that folks can't discuss civilly. Just like politics.

Demiurge

JustinHEMI wrote: »

I am fairly new here so could someone explain why firearms aren't allowed to be discussed?

Other than that it's Polk's forum and they can do what they want, which is legit, you're not going to get a rational response as to why.

The ability to discuss the topic civilly is hardly an issue considering half the forum has problems discussing speakers civilly. Guns are an easy boogeyman and the opinions that people hold against them are almost exclusively by people who have never handled one in their lives.

The easiest way to make a convert and remove the shield of ignorance is to take one to a range and give them proper instruction. It's never failed once.

rooftop59

it makes perfect sense to me. Polk owns this forum to help sell more speakers and build the brand polk audio period. Its a business. Religion and polities are heated subjects that piss a lot of people off and may in turn turn them off to polk speakers, which polk does not want to happen. Yes there are heated and at tmes uncivil discussions about amps and cables, but that goes with the territory of an audio forum. Polk can't help some of those casulties, but they want to minimize the others.

steveinaz

Info sent, lets get this party started. I'm not familiar with mailing lists, what is it exactly?

heiney9

steveinaz wrote: »

Info sent, lets get this party started. I'm not familiar with mailing lists, what is it exactly?

It's a more primitive version of this type if BB. It's all e-mail text based, you can usually choose to receive individual emails whne people respond or get it in digest form on a daily basis which would have all the responses in one large continuous email.

I belonged to a Led Zeppelin listserv (mailing list) for 10 years called Digital Grafitti. It's effective especially the smaller the membership. The LZ listserv got way out of hand between 1993-1999 when Page and Plant did the Un-Ledded thing and the two tours. Lots of activity that buried the admins because the 350 or so members all became active at once. :biggrin:

You should have seen the arguments that broke out there (think cable discussions). But the info being disemminated was legendary as far as set-lists, photo's, bootlegs, etc. 1995 is when I realized what the internet could do as far as real time information.

This type of thing would be perfect for what Mark is describing 20-30 members is certainly manageable for a mailing list.

H9

steveinaz

Thanks Brock.

AsSiMiLaTeD

rooftop59 wrote: »

it makes perfect sense to me. Polk owns this forum to help sell more speakers and build the brand polk audio period. Its a business. Religion and polities are heated subjects that piss a lot of people off and may in turn turn them off to polk speakers, which polk does not want to happen. Yes there are heated and at tmes uncivil discussions about amps and cables, but that goes with the territory of an audio forum. Polk can't help some of those casulties, but they want to minimize the others.

I agree and would just add that guns fall into that category as well.

Alot of people are against guns and Polk just chooses not to alienate that segment of society. I don't understand why people don't 'get' that, seems simple enough.

dorokusai

Absolutely, we support Polk and adhere to the rules as best we can. When it comes to firearms, Polk doesn't have any need to support it as a subject, plain and simple. It has no place here and never will.

I wanted to start this group because we always have this subject come up and even tho' we all know that there are other forums that can handle this....I believe that we want to hang out with the ppl we already hang out with. Make sense?

I have no patience to start 10 different conversations on 5 different forums when I know the knowledge base and folks I'd enjoy talking to are already here.

Hopefully this will satisfy the need for some of us to talk about something we love or simply enjoy. I don't have a big master plan for it but perhaps it will turn into a smaller forum elsewhere to allow more participation and interaction.

maximillian

Do you plan on limiting to firearms or do you want to include archery and other "arms" in general?

dorokusai

It's entirely open to everything Max.

35 members so far....this is getting to be bigger than expected

pitdogg2

Demiurge wrote: »

The easiest way to make a convert and remove the shield of ignorance is to take one to a range and give them proper instruction. It's never failed once.

Agreed 1000%

Timothy Smith

Count me in.

I prefer to refer to firearms as "Lead Insertion Devices" so as not to frighten sensitive people.

bobman1235

Timothy Smith wrote: »

I prefer to refer to firearms as "Lead Insertion Devices" so as not to frighten sensitive people.

I tried a similar tact with my johnson, but it didn't work out too well.

Demiurge

rooftop59 wrote: »

it makes perfect sense to me. Polk owns this forum to help sell more speakers and build the brand polk audio period. Its a business. Religion and polities are heated subjects that piss a lot of people off and may in turn turn them off to polk speakers, which polk does not want to happen. Yes there are heated and at tmes uncivil discussions about amps and cables, but that goes with the territory of an audio forum. Polk can't help some of those casulties, but they want to minimize the others.

You could say that about Ford Vs. Chevy debates, or any other non-audio related debates that crop up here when people hurl insults. The problem is never the subject matter. The problem is people taking heated discussions personally and dragging it from one thread to the next.

On the whole it's not worth arguing about since it's not going to change, but your rationalization misses the mark. They do it because they can, not because there's any logic backing it.

It was a solution in search of a problem.

That's fine. If it isn't, there's a remedy...we can stop logging in.

shack

I applaude what Mark is doing. The discussion of personal weapons really needs to be as he is attempting to set it up and not on the fourm IMO. This way it keeps it off here and lets those who want to discuss the topic do so as much as they like.

ryanjoachim

JustinHEMI wrote: »

I am fairly new here so could someone explain why firearms aren't allowed to be discussed?

Simply read most of the responses to your question, and you'll get your answer.
People (in general, not just on here) will find a way to argue about just about anything.

Saying "don't talk about this" is the best way to minimize the amount of topics that people can blow up about.

AsSiMiLaTeD

Demiurge wrote: »

On the whole it's not worth arguing about since it's not going to change, but your rationalization misses the mark. They do it because they can, not because there's any logic backing it. .

Read my earlier post, they choose to not allow it because they don't want to alienate a segment of their customer base. Like it or not, there is a large segment of society that is opposed to firearms, ever stop to think that Polk doesn't want those people run off by discussion of a topic that's offensive to them?

Your analogy to Ford vs Chevy isn't very good because people (at least certainly not a large segment of society) are not opposed to cars, and in fact Polk sells equipment that goes in cars so would make no sense to ban discussion of those.

It's not about preventing the bad arguments and fighting, because we're humans and we'll find a way to argue about anything. It's about having a handful of topics that are off-limits because they tend to be polarizing and you don't want to alienate a segment of your target sales population, its business 101.

rooftop59

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

It's not about preventing the bad arguments and fighting, because we're humans and we'll find a way to argue about anything. It's about having a handful of topics that are off-limits because they tend to be polarizing and you don't want to alienate a segment of your target sales population, its business 101.

Right. If people wanna talk about cars, grills, tv shows, weight loss, etc., that's fine because those topics aren't inherently polarizing and (wait for it!) volatile. I happen to be a Christian, a democrat, and a professional philosopher, but I don't bring those things up because religion and politics (firearms can be subsumed under both categories) are deeply divisive, and nobody knows or cares what the hell a professional philosopher is or does.

But if I wanted to discuss those things, I think that Doro's approach is both reasonable and respectable. Its a great idea because it gives people another way to connect with each other and simultaneously might help prevent these issues from cropping up on the forum. I wasn't meaning to come out against the idea or sidetrack the thread, just address a question as to why certain topics aren't permissible on the forum.

Please proceed with the regularly scheduled programming.

megasat16

Doro,

Are you forming a Polk Militia? :biggrin:

Face

megasat16 wrote: »

Doro,

Are you forming a Polk Militia? :biggrin:

Yes and each member receives a free copy of The Zombie Survival Guide.

Demiurge

rooftop59 wrote: »

Right. If people wanna talk about cars, grills, tv shows, weight loss, etc., that's fine because those topics aren't inherently polarizing and (wait for it!) volatile. I happen to be a Christian, a democrat, and a professional philosopher, but I don't bring those things up because religion and politics (firearms can be subsumed under both categories) are deeply divisive, and nobody knows or cares what the hell a professional philosopher is or does.

But if I wanted to discuss those things, I think that Doro's approach is both reasonable and respectable. Its a great idea because it gives people another way to connect with each other and simultaneously might help prevent these issues from cropping up on the forum. I wasn't meaning to come out against the idea or sidetrack the thread, just address a question as to why certain topics aren't permissible on the forum.

Please proceed with the regularly scheduled programming.

Ignorance aside, firearms are no more divisive a subject matter than cooking. We've had more pissing matches on this forum over whether or not Toyota is a crappy company with all the recalls than we've ever had about firearms. In fact, outside of policy related talk with regard to firearms, which would fall under the no politics rule (an actual polarizing subject matter, which isn't adhered to much at all), I can't recall a single argument people have had here over firearms. I'm sure it's happened, though.

Banning the discussion of firearms here was a solution in search of a problem.

People aren't going to refrain from buying Polk speakers because there's a discussion thread about firearms here. It's almost mind boggling that someone would actually consider such a thing.

If there's that level of corporate paranoia, which I don't think there is, you might as well not have a forum at all. Lord knows that tempers have flared and caused people to never come back over far less than a discussion over Glock and Springfield Armory.

I doubt much thought went into the ban at all, which is fine. Nobody is arguing with their decision, just pointing out that there wasn't much rationale behind it.

Look, there was a thread about knives here:

Polk Audio: Collectible Knives?

George Grand wrote: »

This morning on my way home from the bank, I saw a sign for a Yard Sale with "Collectible Knives". My curiosity more than piqued I stopped by. It was a ruse. They did not have one knife on display (or anywhere else cause I asked) that had been used to stab anybody famous.

I wonder how many customers they lost as a result or how many people reading it felt to urge to go out and shank someone!? :eek:

I'll stop posting in this thread now. Sorry for the distraction, Mark. Thanks for the PM!

steveinaz

Face wrote: »

Yes and each member receives a free copy of The Zombie Survival Guide.

We do? AWESOME!