Eliminate harshness?
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The small room you're in and the nearfield listening positioning aren't helping. If you sit further back do you hear the same harshness?2Ch Tube Audio Convert
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I just thought about this yesterday and it may or nor may not make a change to your preferences with your current layout...
Have you tried turning the speakers over top to bottom, changing nothing else?~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
How well do you like the speakers? I just had trey moddify my RTI A7's and CSI A4 center xo's. He used Mills resistors, and Clarity Caps ESA, and PX. It really took the edge off the tweeters. It was a pretty big change for them. That might be something to consider too.
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118120
I like them a lot. These are by far my best speakers I've ever had... they do just about everything well. My only issue is if I crank them, I get some harsh notes, but this was an issue on previous speakers as well. In fact these are my first pair of speakers that I can listen to all day without having to turn them off, as long as the volume isn't crazy... and trey did mod these, I dunno what he put in there, but he said it was good... and I trust him.The small room you're in and the nearfield listening positioning aren't helping. If you sit further back do you hear the same harshness?
I will try this, but I think I remember finding this to be the best listening position.. .also, if I back up any further, I hit a couch, and the wall comes in a foot on one side, so the room is no longer symmetrical (dunno if that matters)I just thought about this yesterday and it may or nor may not make a change to your preferences with your current layout...
Have you tried turning the speakers over top to bottom, changing nothing else?
Putting the speakers upside down? I haven't tried this, for the same reason I haven't done that with my refrigerator .... I didn't know you could
I'll give it a try -
Please do, that's not a joke.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Please do, that's not a joke.
no, no, I just did... I just never thought you could do that. I am surprised at how little a difference it makes... I dunno what I thought would happen, but certainly nothing dramatic as I expected
I guess I had expected that certain sounds would be in the wrong places now..... that's not the case -
I'm not saying to keep it like this. I'm asking if it makes a change to the higher frequencies and to whether its easier on the ears.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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I'm not saying to keep it like this. I'm asking if it makes a change to the higher frequencies and to whether its easier on the ears.
I know, I guess the idea is to get the tweeters further from my ears? Like I said, so far, they sound pretty much the same and all... I just thought something crazy would happen. ... ok.. I've listened to a lot of the tracks and it's hard to say, it certainly isn't all gone... but I would like to say that it helped a little.
Oh, you know what I've noticed... kinda weird.. but I think that every song has more on the right side than the left... however, the voice is right in the center, so it's not the balance... is there any reason there should be more sound on the right side... maybe with my room layout? Seems like more low frequencies on the right side -
To the right?...as in if you are looking at the speakers?~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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To the right?...as in if you are looking at the speakers?
Yep... if I could draw a picture... ok let me draw a picture of what it sounds like... one moment
ok, so excuse my terrible drawing skills, and assume the top point is centered, and higher means higher freq, lower means lower.
Ok did A/B from 3 feet further back than I usually sit.. speakers upside down than right side up.. I used Alanis Morissette - Uninvited. I think upside down was slightly less harsh, right side up seemed more proper... IDK why, it's probably a subconscious thing,, the speakers looking all top heavy and that. -
You are not hearing harsh trebels. You are hearing trebels and bass mostly. The table blocks most other frequencies.
A few things to correct the issue
1. MOVE to a nicer room
2. Move the table and chair out of the way and use the couch for listening as a few has already suggested.
3. Room treatments help in many ways but only to the room that is fixable. The L shaped room and the room with disjointed walls are suckers for good frequency responses.
So, it's best to MOVE first and use a proper room or fix what is needed than trying out all sorts of Voodoos.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
I use a soundcard in a PC and after disabling the "dolby digital live" function and enabling the bit-matched playback, the harshness is gone, however the optic cable is unable to transfer multi channel sources now. every source is 2 channels. bit-matched and DDL DO NOT GET ALONG
When I'm sick with a cold, flu, or fever, my hearing gets distorted and everything sounds harsh n bright and louder.Speaker: LSi 15
Pre/Pro: Pioneer VSX-9040
Amp: Emotiva XPA-2
Sub: Seaton Submersive HP
TV: Samsung PN50B550
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the room with disjointed walls are suckers for good frequency responses.
how does a disjointed walls look like ?Speaker: LSi 15
Pre/Pro: Pioneer VSX-9040
Amp: Emotiva XPA-2
Sub: Seaton Submersive HP
TV: Samsung PN50B550
DAC: soon-to-be EE Minimax Dac Plus -
Eliminating hard /reflective surfaces is the #1 cure for harshness. Taking it to the extreme for example, if all the walls and ceiling were padded, the floor had thick dense carpet and the furniture was stuffed fabric, that would cure harshness. You would have a "dead room".
A room like that would be ridiculous thou, more suited for an occupant in a straight jacket. But it would suck up all that harshness. -
how does a disjointed walls look like ?
The walls that is not continuous or straight on any side of the room (i.e. having offset due to the in wall closets or due to the structure of the adjacent room; etc.)Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
The walls that is not continuous or straight on any side of the room (i.e. having offset due to the in wall closets or due to the structure of the adjacent room; etc.)
I have 4 of that in my Lsi15 room lol....Speaker: LSi 15
Pre/Pro: Pioneer VSX-9040
Amp: Emotiva XPA-2
Sub: Seaton Submersive HP
TV: Samsung PN50B550
DAC: soon-to-be EE Minimax Dac Plus -
sounds like an equilizer issue to moi
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I had an Adcom GFA7500 and it sounded too bright for my taste. I was using it with Polk RT series speakers which tend to be a bit bright to begin with so it wasn't a good combo.
Adding some tubes ought to mellow out the experience for you.____________________________________________________________
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