is this bad, or is it just me?

ysss

Isn't it funny that basically everyone who posted in this thread agreed that this cellphone-data-copy crap is unacceptable, yet still find some ways to blame each other and go into heated debate over politicks?

Time to discern what's commonly important among all of us and work together, people.

That's what I'd call common sense.

treitz3

punk-roc wrote: »

What possible reason could they have for demanding to be able to search your phone? To prove you weren't on the phone/texting while committing the minor driving infraction?

Yes. I saw a family get plowed down by a teen that was texting while driving. They could not prove that she was texting because she told the officers that "I got distracted by something falling on the floor". Instead, she got two counts of involuntary manslaughter. The infant, who doesn't have a mother and a grandfather anymore is the only one to survive...along with the driver.

Lou, it's real easy for me. Just answer the question as a "No" and they can't do anything. If they have a warrant? "Oooops, I must have dropped the phone down [at 90mph] after the cop told me he/she had a warrant". A nearby Lake or tub would work wonders too for erasing information. [EDIT:] Eh, never mind that one. I've heard of folks letting them dry out and they work fine.

I personally do not have anything to hide but the information on that phone is my information. No one else's. I mean, what if I happened to take a photo of my wife in a provocative pose 7 years ago, erased it and forgot about it....only to find that photo on the web some years later? No, thanks.

unc2701

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Sadly, they have only had those republicans in office for 4 months now. Generally the Detroit area and the auto unions decide our elections. But now that the auto industry has pretty much left the state, and the people of Detroit with it, we are seeing a slow change. The red areas you see on that map are mostly rural, and not densely populated.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply it was a republican thing. My point was more the dumbassery of the posts that immediately popped up suggesting this a somehow a liberal thing.

pitdogg2

well somewhere a while back i read where some court(may of been supreme)ruled that the cops do NOT need a search warrant to search your phone. So this does not surprise me one bit next they'll have a gun like radar that when you pass a cop it will down load all the stuff on your phone. So if you may of by chance texted a friend about procuring some Bud they will have their probable cause.
My god my grandpa was right when he said 30yrs ago that one day we will be worse than any commie country BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING AND LISTENING

ROHfan

ysss wrote: »

isn't it funny that basically everyone who posted in this thread agreed that this cellphone-data-copy crap is unacceptable, yet still find some ways to blame each other and go into heated debate over politicks?

Time to discern what's commonly important among all of us and work together, people.

That's what i'd call common sense.

+1,000.

pitdogg2

yep it seems that we just may have a revolution coming if crap like this keeps up...or are we all lemmings now.....I'm not it may take prying some hot steel from my cold dead hands

jbooker82

ysss wrote: »

Isn't it funny that basically everyone who posted in this thread agreed that this cell phone-data-copy crap is unacceptable, yet still find some ways to blame each other and go into heated debate over politics?

Time to discern what's commonly important among all of us and work together, people.

That's what I'd call common sense.

Yep x2

The monkeys (voters) who sit and throw their **** at each other is a big problem with this country's political system. They will vote in any person because they are a die hard Republican or Democrat. Doesn't matter what the candidates rap sheet or political views are. Red votes for Red, Blue votes for Blue. Then they wont hold their candidates responsible. They will keep voting for them because they sure are not going to cross party lines.

steveinaz

I'm one of those monkey's. I vote the party, not the man. It's the vision (aka BIG PICTURE), not the individual that matters, IMO.

gimpod

I really hate to break it to you guys but the "Right to Privacy and Right Against Self--incrimination" ship in this country and around the world has sailed a long time ago.

[Rant Warning]
It's called "Echelon" and "Rendition" or whatever they have morphed into. Think about it every phone call, text message, internet post/transaction, security/traffic camera and so on IS being monitored by someone somewhere. You can be ordered by law to give DNA, Blood and Hair samples and in certain situations (Grand Jury for one) can be forced to testify against yourself.

We have trampled over and mangled The Constitution and Bill of Rights so badly that in all reality they don't exist anymore and whose to blame the Democrats, Republicans no it's you and me, why is it our fault because we buy there BS rhetoric and elect these people then turn a blind eye to what it is they are really doing until something like this comes along then we get all pissed off for 15 minutes before we all move on to the next thing. So what has changed absolutely nothing, And nothing will until we as a people stand up and say ENOUGH, but that won't happen because we as a people are unwilling to put forth the time and effort to keep an eye on our elected officials and call them on there BS.
[End of Rant]

Peace, Love, Dope ~ I'm out.

mhardy6647

No one was ever forced, as far as I know, to use or to carry a cell phone.

nooshinjohn

Well said Gimpod. I agree 110% with what you said.

bobman1235

steveinaz wrote: »

I'm one of those monkey's. I vote the party, not the man. It's the vision (aka BIG PICTURE), not the individual that matters, IMO.

Neither party has a vision anymore, for this very reason (at least at the national level). If no matter what happesn you're going to pull the "R" lever, what incentive is there for them to put people in power who will actually accomplish anything?

(Hint : none).

They all say the right things to pander to their supporters during interviews, and then when the time comes, it's all the same.

WilliamM2

mhardy6647 wrote: »

No one was ever forced, as far as I know, to use or to carry a cell phone.

No one was ever forced to purchase a home either. Does that mean they can search it without a warrant?

pdxfj

This type of thing will continue to happen and become more of the norm as long as people forget that we are here to govern the government and not the other way around.

On another message board I visit someone said "The role of government is to control our lives, and to take care of us so we can pursue a life of happiness"

That kind of mentality is what will be the end of the Constitution and our "freedom" in this country.

slk55amg

steveinaz wrote: »

I'm one of those monkey's. I vote the party, not the man. It's the vision (aka BIG PICTURE), not the individual that matters, IMO.

I agree completely, very well said.

steveinaz

WilliamM2 wrote: »

No one was ever forced to purchase a home either. Does that mean they can search it without a warrant?

Exactly. thanks William.

steveinaz

Things in this country are going to change drastically, soon. Get your house in order. 2008 was nothing...the entitlement society will end, we have no other choice at this point--and I say WONDERFUL, it's about time (hopefully not too late). Time to buck up, get your **** to work, and stop waiting for a hand-out paid for by the rest of us. Time to be the good 'ol hard working American's we once were--where you sink or swim--the choice is yours, as is the responsibility.

pdxfj

steveinaz wrote: »

Things in this country are going to change drastically, soon. Get your house in order. 2008 was nothing...the entitlement society will end, we have no other choice at this point--and I say WONDERFUL, it's about time (hopefully not too late). Time to buck up, get your **** to work, and stop waiting for a hand-out paid for by the rest of us. Time to be the good 'ol hard working American's we once were--where you sink or swim--the choice is yours, as is the responsibility.

Let's hope you are correct. The handouts have to stop at some point. 99 weeks of unemployment? Nuts!

tonyb

Sometimes I think these stories are circulated just to get the public anger up. Does anyone think their cell phone,email, internet use isn't being monitored ? If you don't say "hey wtf ?", then I guess it's ok for them to do it. You passively have given permission. Seems like these days that there are so many WTF moments,you can't keep your attention on one when the next one pops up. Maybe it's by design,I dunno, maybe it's intent is to keep the focus and anger away from the real wtf moments that matter even more. All I have left to say on the matter is that something seems out of place in the checks and balances set up in our constitution, and 3 levels of government.

steveinaz

The internet just makes all these little "chips at your freedoms" more visable; and I think that is a good thing. We are too complacent as a nation. Look how fast 9/11 has become a faded memory--back to business as usual. If you don't engage over the little stuff---soon it becomes big stuff, and by then--it's too late or extremely difficult at that time to deal with. We need to pull our heads out of the sand, and stop depending on the government to take care of everything. "Assistance" is a sneaky ****; it gets you hooked, dependant, and before you know it, you're no longer your own man. Someone owns your butt because you sold your soul in the name of laziness.

I work for the Dept of Defense, as a Federal service civilian. I have 29 years of federal service, 15 of which were active duty Army. Because of recent events, I'm no longer expecting a COLA increase anymore; and have adjusted my 401k investments in an attempt to off-set the loss that will mean to my retirement. My point is, I'm getting proactive--instead of sitting around "hoping" (aka "depending upon") my annual COLA raise will happen. It is what it is--wether or not I feel it's fair is immaterial at this point, and not even worth debating or getting upset about.

mrbigbluelight

^^^ "I shall work harder".


Gimpod, you are correct, IMO, regarding the use of Rendition with Federal Grand Juries. Long story short: the Feds get you before a Federal Grand Jury, your 'rights' against self-incrimination are basically gone.

The cellphone reader issue: for those who aren't aware (and I'm probably the only lunkhead that's not aware of this), if you have an I-phone or Droid or ? and you have GPS-enabled, your phone keeps track of where you're at and at what time.
Not "Oh, his signal bounced off this cell tower, so he must have been around here somewhere": nope.
WHERE YOU'RE AT. Lat/Long with time.

Try to erase it ? Good luck.
Synch with your home desktop/laptop ? That info gets transferred, too. You aren't aware of it, but it does.

A reasonable intelligent person may ask, "So What ?".
And that, in my humble opinion, is what is disturbing. That a reasonable, intelligent person would ask, "So What ?". That's just my humble opinion and not a dig at reasonable intelligent persons.

New Iphones are bundled with Google (I believe) that makes it nice and easy to use Gmail. Google scans EVERY gmail for trigger words for "marketing purposes". That's nice. I guess.

The Times They Are A'Changin' to be sure. How they change is up to us.

treitz3

tonyb wrote: »

Sometimes I think these stories are circulated just to get the public anger up. Does anyone think their cell phone,email, internet use isn't being monitored ? If you don't say "hey wtf ?", then I guess it's ok for them to do it. You passively have given permission. Seems like these days that there are so many WTF moments,you can't keep your attention on one when the next one pops up. Maybe it's by design,I dunno, maybe it's intent is to keep the focus and anger away from the real wtf moments that matter even more. All I have left to say on the matter is that something seems out of place in the checks and balances set up in our constitution, and 3 levels of government.

Amen. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

apphd

Not much of a fan of the ACLU, but on this one I have to applaud them. I need to go back and read the story, but does this include software that scans for different trigger words? Just wondering who, or how many people need to go through all this collected data, to look for what ever it is they are looking for? I'm old and don't like talking on a phone anyway, so my phone is usually off unless I want to make a call. I suppose if I was stopped in MI I would probably just say ....errr What phone officer? How long before they will be able to scan your phone before they get out of the car while they are running your plates? All this tech. is nice, but as with most everything, there is a down side. As to the posters that have said this is not right, or left and we need to address it as plain un American +1000000

gimpod

WilliamM2 wrote: »

No one was ever forced to purchase a home either. Does that mean they can search it without a warrant?

Yes, It's called "No Knock Laws", "Probable Cause" and "Reasonable Suspicion" put those together and they can kick in your front door with guns drawn and there's not a thing you can do about it.

steveinaz wrote: »

Things in this country are going to change drastically, soon. Get your house in order. 2008 was nothing...the entitlement society will end, we have no other choice at this point--and I say WONDERFUL, it's about time (hopefully not too late). Time to buck up, get your **** to work, and stop waiting for a hand-out paid for by the rest of us. Time to be the good 'ol hard working American's we once were--where you sink or swim--the choice is yours, as is the responsibility.

[Warning Getting on my High Horse, Sorry this is a bit of a touchy subject with me]
For all you guys who are saying "eliminate entitlements", Yea why not sounds like a good idea after all it's what over a third of the budget and climbing. But I see a few problems with doing so.

1. What about the veterans who have put there lives on the line and suffered for doing so who depend on the VA for health care and/or a sole source of income.

2. What about the the senior citizens and the disabled who depend on social security and medicare as there sole existence and not a very good one at best.

3. What about those "good 'ol hard working American's" who live from paycheck to paycheck and still can't make ends meet what are they going to do about retirement and god help them if someone in the family gets seriously ill. By the way these people make up a large percentage of our population.

What are you going to tell these people, Tough luck, You backed the wrong horse, Now go curl up in a corner and die because your a drain on society. You do this and you'll have a change alright just not the change your thinking of. It's called chaos and anarchy.

Now do I think entitlements are broken you'd have to be an idiot not to. Do they need to be fixed absolutely but with a little compassion, forethought, insight, reason and common decency. Unfortunately as a whole these values seem to be lacking in our society today.
[Getting off now]

Love & Bunny Rabbits.

WilliamM2

gimpod wrote: »

Yes, It's called "No Knock Laws", "Probable Cause" and "Reasonable Suspicion" put those together and they can kick in your front door with guns drawn and there's not a thing you can do about it.

Whether they knock or not, they still need a warrant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant

mrbigbluelight

Don't need a warrant if you're an agent of the Missouri Department of Conservation.
Court tested.

tonyb

Gimpod,
I can agree with alot of what you say. But the rub in all this is when someone starts talking cutting entitlements, some assume right off the bat the old folks will be eating cat food, blah blah blah. You could easily cut entitlements in half and not touch seniors,vets. The scope of what we throw money at is beyond comprehension. You could solve a good chunk of medicare funding by simply taking a half of one percent more out of paychecks,maybe even 1 percent more. Won't hurt the average joe either. Same with social security, why raise the age limit ? Right now I think the SS max is around 97 g's a year. In other words, you stop paying into it on income over that amount. Get rid of that, and boost the payroll contribution another half a percent. Give people the option to opt out of it and invest those dollars as they see fit. I'm a firm believer in taking care of the elderly who have payed into the system their whole life. The handicapped, vets, should be getting top notch care. We could do this, the money is there, we just choose to spend it on freebies for non citizens, political paybacks, corporate welfare, and we won't even talk about the coin we throw around the globe. If the private sector managed money like Washington, nobody would be in buisness.

Airplay355

The answer: Load your phone with pics of your member.

/thread

cnh

It's a new day boys. Don't worry be happy...it's CP after all! Sunshine and Wonder to all!

The 'core' members here are solid (of course I don't include myself there; haven't been around long enough).

But the sun is shining where I am. And I'm smiling...off with my daughter for a trip to Boston today!

cnh

steveinaz

gimpod wrote: »

For all you guys who are saying "eliminate entitlements", Yea why not sounds like a good idea after all it's what over a third of the budget and climbing. But I see a few problems with doing so.

1. What about the veterans who have put there lives on the line and suffered for doing so who depend on the VA for health care and/or a sole source of income.

2. What about the the senior citizens and the disabled who depend on social security and medicare as there sole existence and not a very good one at best.

3. What about those "good 'ol hard working American's" who live from paycheck to paycheck and still can't make ends meet what are they going to do about retirement and god help them if someone in the family gets seriously ill. By the way these people make up a large percentage of our population.

What are you going to tell these people, Tough luck, You backed the wrong horse, Now go curl up in a corner and die because your a drain on society. You do this and you'll have a change alright just not the change your thinking of. It's called chaos and anarchy.

Now do I think entitlements are broken you'd have to be an idiot not to. Do they need to be fixed absolutely but with a little compassion, forethought, insight, reason and common decency. Unfortunately as a whole these values seem to be lacking in our society today.
[Getting off now]

Love & Bunny Rabbits.

What did we do before entitlements (1930's)? We got up off our asses and made it happen, or you starved to death. It's amazing what people are truly capable of, when forced into a challenging situation---and it's also amazing how lazy people can be in a "hand-out" environment.

If people are never challenged, they will never rise to the occassion, and that's NOT an option anymore. Entitlements (of the "unearned" variety) are a DISEASE.

I'm not saying stop everything, tommorrow; but over a period of time begin phasing them out. This will allow people adjustment time--as well as our "crippled" entitlement society to re-adjust. Nobody said it would be easy or painless.