is this bad, or is it just me?

ohskigod

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp


I'm normally not a fan of the ACLU, but I think I'm in their corner on this. Am I wrong? genuinly looking for other viewpoints / debate on this.....this scares me a little. call it a Glen Beck moment..lol

kefranklin

very scary

txcoastal1

To me this would be on the same lines of extracting information without reading you your "Miranda Rights". You have the right to remain silent so we will take your cell info *uck that

Rodeo0530

That's ridiculous...I have a feeling this will be stopped in the near future.

nooshinjohn

That this can happen in this country is rediculous. The lefties in Michigan have gone so far to the left that even the ACLU objects. The sad part is that this is not front page news anywhere. If this were happening in a conservative state like Arizona, it would be everywhere.

maximillian

Michigan State Police - **** bags of liberty.

Joe08867

I have nothing to hide and would still not give them my cellphone. That is way beyond reasonable search.

Sorry they would have to arrest me and I would own them for it....

bobman1235

The ACLU may be involved in a lot of BS taht reasonable people disagree with, but they're still a very important group to have around.

jinjuku

Another reason I am glad we moved from Michigan.

Our movers told us 9 out of 10 moving jobs they do is OUT BOUND of MI. They couldn't even remember the last time they moved some one in-state.

steveinaz

I guess voting takes too much effort. The Government only gets away with what the people allow.

punk-roc

What possible reason could they have for demanding to be able to search your phone? To prove you weren't on the phone/texting while committing the minor driving infraction?

Nothing about that seems on the level at all.. very surprising

Jason

tonyb

I'm kinda surprised that some of you are....surprised....at such from a liberal state. Not an ACLU fan either, but maybe they should focus more on disclosures from their home court.
Just another chip out of the rock we call the constitution. For the record, I have great respect for what police have to do and everything that entails. That said, they have been made pawns in a bigger game of chess, imho anyway.

cnh

Like Lou and others above, the ACLU has its place...and this is certainly 'not' acceptable. Liberal state? tony; this sounds like that kind of thing that most liberals would criticize as well.

Arizona...a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there! lol What is it that makes that state's politics--how can we say this politely-- so 'interesting'? I have no idea. Is it all the 'retirees' with money? Who knows. But it sure has some beautiful areas!

cnh

vc69

It's bad.

I am pretty damn liberal. And frankly, I support *most* of what the ACLU does. No liberal I know of would condone such a violation of constitutional rights.

I think it is prudent to point out that the culture of fear following 9/11 and resulting policy (read: Patriot Act) paved the way for this kind of thing to be commonplace.

Arizona? C'mon guys. Is it ok to do this to suspected illegals and not ok to do this to suspected white/black people?

A better discussion might be "where is the line and what do we have to do to get back across it?"

Frankly, we have seen the decline of civil rights in this country for far too long. 9/11 was used as an excuse to "grab" power that under any other circumstances would have been deplorable.

tony, I too have a great respect for the mission of the police force. They are sworn to Serve and Protect.
However, the kind of folks that gravitate toward that kind of occupation are often the very worst kind of people and in my experience (locally) are as bad as the people I need protection from.

tonyb

....and weee are off....

vc69

sry...

unc2701

nooshinjohn wrote: »

That this can happen in this country is rediculous. The lefties in Michigan have gone so far to the left that even the ACLU objects. The sad part is that this is not front page news anywhere. If this were happening in a conservative state like Arizona, it would be everywhere.

tonyb wrote: »

I'm kinda surprised that some of you are....surprised....at such from a liberal state. Not an ACLU fan either, but maybe they should focus more on disclosures from their home court.
Just another chip out of the rock we call the constitution. For the record, I have great respect for what police have to do and everything that entails. That said, they have been made pawns in a bigger game of chess, imho anyway.

I see. A state with a republican governor, a republican attorney general, and a republican secretary of state is clearly been subverted by the lefties. Good job inserting politics into yet another thread, that was quite well executed. :rolleyes:

See the attachment for the breakdown of the voting in the last election.

Also, the cases that ACLU takes up are almost exclusively protecting constitutional rights, a topic dear to nooshinjohn... but continue with your fact-free posts.

slk55amg

I have and continue to be a supporter of the ACLU

tonyb

unc2701 wrote: »

I see. A state with a republican governor, a republican attorney general, and a republican secretary of state is clearly been subverted by the lefties. Good job inserting politics into yet another thread, that was quite well executed. :rolleyes:

See the attachment for the breakdown of the voting in the last election.

Also, the cases that ACLU takes up are almost exclusively protecting constitutional rights, a topic dear to nooshinjohn... but continue with your fact-free posts.

A governor,an attorney general,and a secretary of state.....wow if thats all thats needed to get this stuff done, then the rest of the legislative branch, the heads of the police dept, local county officials must be useless then. Michegan can save alot of money.

steveinaz

cnh wrote: »

Arizona...a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there! lol What is it that makes that state's politics--how can we say this politely-- so 'interesting'? I have no idea. Is it all the 'retirees' with money? Who knows. But it sure has some beautiful areas!

cnh

We PREFER people just visit---Really. We enjoy the freedoms we have because we (the people) run the government, not the other way around. The other 49 should take a lesson. And we also have this strange fascination about actually enforcing the law---weird, I know.

I don't expect most people to understand the concept, as they have been indoctrinated (successfully) to the nanny state of mind.

tonyb

Just for the record, the ACLU was founded back around 1920, by Roger Baldwin and Chrystal Eastman. Mr. Baldwin was not concerned with protecting your liberties. Here's a quote from the founder himself....

"I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself ... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. "

You trust your liberies to an organization such as this ? Maybe you do, maybe not, read up on the founding of the ACLU, no tin foil hat required.

cnh

No harm no foul, Steve. I have a number of good friends and colleagues at ASU and U. of Arizona and you have a really nice place there.

On another note, above: Quoting people who were trying to curb the excesses of Captains of Industry in a period when labor was a plaything of those men, well....you can argue by labeling all you want but it doesn't prove anything and it isn't a good way of dismissing arguments of what was 'equitable' and what constituted social justice in that early period?

In my field throwing around terms like socialism, communism or capitalism don't mean anything without more historical detail about 'all' the parties that were involved in that history? I'd recommend reading Vivian Gornick's book, The Romance of American Communism to see how 'diverse' that movement actually was and why it even needed to exist. Things are seldom black and white.

Ciao.

cnh

unc2701

tonyb wrote: »

A governor,an attorney general,and a secretary of state.....wow if thats all thats needed to get this stuff done, then the rest of the legislative branch, the heads of the police dept, local county officials must be useless then. Michegan can save alot of money.

You are absolutely correct- there's a lot of places that this can come into play. However, the idea that this is caused by some kind of liberal bent to the Michigan state government is completely asinine and has no place on CP. You and nj repeatedly insert politics into every topic imaginable and it's annoying, unnecessary and against the rules.

nooshinjohn

unc2701 wrote: »

You and nj repeatedly insert politics into every topic imaginable and it's annoying, unnecessary and against the rules.

yep... this is definately not a political issue.:rolleyes: The entire thread IS a political issue, and my comments in this matter are entirely appropriate. The Clubhouse is the place to have discourse take place on a variety of topics, and if you don't approve of the topic, don't post. We don't need you to be the CP policeman.

bobman1235

AAaaaand that's the crux of the problem with American politics - everything that's political is also, in most people's mind, partisan. It's ALWAYS the fault of the right or the left, depending on whether you stand on the right or the left. Can't something be just bad without it being the fault of a Dem or Rep? They both suck, let's move on.

cstmar01

your other key problem is that what used to make one a "liberal" and "conservative" have become so unclear its not even funny.

There is never going to be a party that any one fully agrees with. There are some that are close, the problem remains that we are dominated by 2 parties that are long pounded into our minds as one being correct and the other not (which of course the one you support always has to be correct? right? hard for people to admit their own faults because it means "they gave up") , vs something being a good idea vs bad.

Personally the day that I finally see a party in power that agrees with what I believe in, I'll probably die as I can't stand much for it anymore. Also it would be nice to see people understand the political process and also take a stance on something and stick with it, vs always caving or having money slipped into their wallet. :rolleyes:

Sad I used to be a political science major, even then you would always get stuck with the stupid classes people would have to seperate themselves in the room from liberal to conservative, and it was always fun when someone would mess it all up so they could argue face to face.

unc2701

nooshinjohn wrote: »

yep... this is definately not a political issue.:rolleyes: The entire thread IS a political issue, and my comments in this matter are entirely appropriate. The Clubhouse is the place to have discourse take place on a variety of topics, and if you don't approve of the topic, don't post. We don't need you to be the CP policeman.

Dear. God.
1)Every time anything goes wrong anywhere, you post how it's the fault of the left or "progressives". It was kind of hilarious when you learned that word- "progressives"... showed up everywhere.
2)As Bob notes- this isn't a left or right issue. It's a dumbasses with power and misusing it issue. Of course, you blame the left. My point was that Michigan is not a left wing state. It's an American state and it's probably pretty close to 50/50; in the last election it leaned a little right, in the next, it'll probably lean a little left. That's how these things go.
3)This topic wasn't political until you started ranting about "lefties".
4)Read the forum rules. I'm not being the CP policeman. I stating that you start this crap continually, pull a "who me?" when it gets shut down, then do it again.

disneyjoe7

OK just learned to turn off Cell Phone if stopped.

steveinaz

Go vote people. Time to clean house.

sucks2beme

Note: just because you have nothing to hide doesn't mean they get to peek.
I'd tell them to MYOB. Get a warrant, I'll just wait here.
So unless there was a call while you were driving, what do they do with it?
How about a roadside strip search while they are at it?

WilliamM2

unc2701 wrote: »

I see. A state with a republican governor, a republican attorney general, and a republican secretary of state is clearly been subverted by the lefties. Good job inserting politics into yet another thread, that was quite well executed. :rolleyes:

See the attachment for the breakdown of the voting in the last election.

Sadly, they have only had those republicans in office for 4 months now. Generally the Detroit area and the auto unions decide our elections. But now that the auto industry has pretty much left the state, and the people of Detroit with it, we are seeing a slow change. The red areas you see on that map are mostly rural, and not densely populated.