workout schedule.

mantis

Ok ,
I've been slacking all winter with a workout here and there. The basement gets a bit colder in the winter and for some reason I turned into a sissy with the cold.
With all that being said I started a new workout schedule today.
Sunday Morning - 15 min on Elliptical , 48 crunches x3( top , side , side , lower 12 each) , lower back on Polity ball followed by 36 pushups (3 x 12).

Monday Morning - 15 min on Tread mill , Bench press 3 x 30 , Triceps 3 x 30 , Shoulders 3 x 30 press then front should lifts 3 x 30.

Tuesday Morning - 15 min on Elliptical , Kung Fu forms , followed by Yoga.

Wednesday Morning - 15 min on Tread mill , Biceps Curls 3 x 30 , Back flys 3 x 30 back to Biceps but hammer curls 3 x 30 and another set of Back flys 3 x 30.

Thursday - off but late night Kung fu with Son followed by Yoga.

Friday - off

Saturday - once weather breaks and we hit 70 + the Mountain bike comes out and off to the trails I go average run from 8 -52 miles depending on course. I have technical and flat run on a canal path that I can get a nice 50 mile in. I usually do 20 to 30 miles there but first ride out I plan on throwing up or riding to I can't move. Bonk if you will. after that kind of ride I can usually do any length after that in my means.

Sunday Morning - back to the trails , No more morning workout in the Basement. Weather permitting. If it rains I will fall back on Inside workout.

What do you guys think? Any mods or suggestions?

As far as Diet , I'm trying to figure that out. I have been eating like crap and gained about 10 lbs this winter. I have about 40 to lose all together .

Breakfast - Usually Maple Oatmeal Instant Quaker Oats 2 packs , 1 slice of Potato bread toast with light butter , and a glass of 2% milk or Fresh Orange Juice. Then a 12 oz cup of coffee on the way to work .

Lunch is all over the place as I have been eating out at Wegmans usually a nice Chicked sandwich with Brown rice and a bottle of water. Or a Danny's favorite with a Bottle of water. Sometimes Chinese food which I want to cut down on.

Dinner - again all over the place from Chicken , Steak , Beef or some kind , polk then with Veggs , Rice and a bottle of water.

Night snack - Usually a bowl of Ice cream which has to go or a Penut butter sandwich which also has to go.

All day I usually only drink water. I'm not a fan of Soda anymore but I like un sweeten Ice Tea green , black or what have you. No candy or cake donuts as I'm not a huge fan. I love me a good Donut but don't go out of my way to have one.

I do drink Beer here and there when we go out to dinner which is rare or if I'm in the mood to have some on the weekend. I don't drink every week. I could go a full month without a drink. I also am a sucker for German wine.

Any diet thought? I'm 5' 10" at 240. Big boned German man with good cardio and strength but I have a gut I just can't get rid of.

madmax

Building a basement HT would work out that body as well, carrying stuff around, reaching, lifting, putting up drywall etc. You hardly ever see a construction worker that is too out of shape.

cstmar01

Normally the best thing for diet is to eat 6 small meals a day. This will help keep up your energy, which will also increase your metabolism and keep you fuller longer so that you don't over eat.

Normally stick to whole wheats and cut sugar or any type of processed carbs. Stick with a lot of lean protein such as chicken breast etc and allow yourself a break once and a while and eat something bad. Normally once a week is what you would want to aim for with a cheat meal. Could be like a friday night out or something like that.

Alcohol can be ok, but once again normally dark beers are for the better vs just unneeded carbs you find in others. Dark beers can be good but once again just not so many you get drunk.

Regarding workout, CARDIO. 15 mins here or there isn't a lot in all honesty. Normally you want to do at least 30 mins on a treadmill or bike, elisp. to get your blood pumping.

Also are you doing the workout as a full blown run with no rest? Or are you resting throughout? Doing a full circut can be good if your looking to burn some fat as it keeps you on your feet.

Early morning cardio is what for me helps with fighting fat. I normally wouldn't eat before the run thus putting myself into negative calories and it would get me pumped up for the rest of the day.

Just doing something mostly is just the start. Gotta get into the routine of it.

Tour2ma

Dan,
My wife with the BS in Nutrition would be aghast at your dietary batting order and be in general agreement with cstmar01.

Breakfast: Stick with protein... Try egg whites.

Mid-morn: piece of fruit... citrus, apple, pear, etc.

Lunch: Carb-time...
Oatmeal would do well here (but watch the pre-packaged variety as many add sugars) plus another fruit or yogurt. Pasta salads are also a choice, but make your own. Rice and veggies...
I know brown-bagging can be tough if you're out and about on an install or whatever, but eating out five-days a week is not going to give you control.

Mid-Afternoon: Fruit time again... same as above plus nanner.

Dinner: Big-**** salad time... topped with protein (chicken, steak, fish, egg whites). Dress it lightly.
When you get tired of salad, do the protein with veggie sides.
If you need desert, do it as part of the meal, not later... again yogurt is a good choice here. Fresh berries... fruit and cheese...

Other big parts of the eating equation (and ones I'd be well advised to adhere to) are:
- making smaller portions so you don't end up eating again during clean-up or later that nite;
- focusing on the meal in front of you and eating it slowly, i.e., not in front of the TV...

joeparaski

You are right...you need to get rid of the night-time ice cream and peanut butter sandwich or for sure you will never get rid of that gut. Try cottage cheese instead.

Joe

fatchowmein

mantis wrote: »

What do you guys think? Any mods or suggestions?

Create an exercise commitment thread? Post what you did or did not do for the day, including diet if you want? Too cumbersome and tedious?

Just a thought...

cubdog

Rise at 9:00. One situp.
Breakfast...Bacon, eggs, hashbrowns, pancakes w/maple syrup & butter mimosas.
10:00 nap
12:00 lunch... Bacon burger, onion rings, chocolate shake, shot of vodka.
1:00-3:00 listen to music, vodka, check internet
3:00-4:00 nap
4:00-6:00 Happy hour! Wine, music and just a bit more wine.
6:00-8:00 Cook dinner, Bacon wrapped scallops, ribeye, baked potato, wine with the wife, eat dinner, wine with the wife.
8:00-11:00 TV or music, wine, romantic interlude, wine.
11:00-1:00 check internet, coffee.
1:00 sleeping pills, bedtime.

cubdog

mantis

cubdog wrote: »

Rise at 9:00. One situp.
Breakfast...Bacon, eggs, hashbrowns, pancakes w/maple syrup & butter mimosas.
10:00 nap
12:00 lunch... Bacon burger, onion rings, chocolate shake, shot of vodka.
1:00-3:00 listen to music, vodka, check internet
3:00-4:00 nap
4:00-6:00 Happy hour! Wine, music and just a bit more wine.
6:00-8:00 Cook dinner, Bacon wrapped scallops, ribeye, baked potato, wine with the wife, eat dinner, wine with the wife.
8:00-11:00 TV or music, wine, romantic interlude, wine.
11:00-1:00 check internet, coffee.
1:00 sleeping pills, bedtime.

cubdog

If I followed that diet I would be 300 plus or dead.

mantis

madmax wrote: »

Building a basement HT would work out that body as well, carrying stuff around, reaching, lifting, putting up drywall etc. You hardly ever see a construction worker that is too out of shape.

Sure wouldn't hurt not to mention finally fulfilling my dream.

mantis

cstmar01 wrote: »

Normally the best thing for diet is to eat 6 small meals a day. This will help keep up your energy, which will also increase your metabolism and keep you fuller longer so that you don't over eat.

Normally stick to whole wheats and cut sugar or any type of processed carbs. Stick with a lot of lean protein such as chicken breast etc and allow yourself a break once and a while and eat something bad. Normally once a week is what you would want to aim for with a cheat meal. Could be like a friday night out or something like that.

Alcohol can be ok, but once again normally dark beers are for the better vs just unneeded carbs you find in others. Dark beers can be good but once again just not so many you get drunk.

Regarding workout, CARDIO. 15 mins here or there isn't a lot in all honesty. Normally you want to do at least 30 mins on a treadmill or bike, elisp. to get your blood pumping.

Also are you doing the workout as a full blown run with no rest? Or are you resting throughout? Doing a full circut can be good if your looking to burn some fat as it keeps you on your feet.

Early morning cardio is what for me helps with fighting fat. I normally wouldn't eat before the run thus putting myself into negative calories and it would get me pumped up for the rest of the day.

Just doing something mostly is just the start. Gotta get into the routine of it.

I'll probably bump the cardio up to 30 mins as I gotta work up to that. I get bored doing so hence why I quit at 15. But when I go for a bike ride , it's an easy hour or more of hard pushed cardio.

Thanks for all the tips.

mantis

Tour2ma wrote: »

Dan,
My wife with the BS in Nutrition would be aghast at your dietary batting order and be in general agreement with cstmar01.

Breakfast: Stick with protein... Try egg whites.

Mid-morn: piece of fruit... citrus, apple, pear, etc.

Lunch: Carb-time...
Oatmeal would do well here (but watch the pre-packaged variety as many add sugars) plus another fruit or yogurt. Pasta salads are also a choice, but make your own. Rice and veggies...
I know brown-bagging can be tough if you're out and about on an install or whatever, but eating out five-days a week is not going to give you control.

Mid-Afternoon: Fruit time again... same as above plus nanner.

Dinner: Big-**** salad time... topped with protein (chicken, steak, fish, egg whites). Dress it lightly.
When you get tired of salad, do the protein with veggie sides.
If you need desert, do it as part of the meal, not later... again yogurt is a good choice here. Fresh berries... fruit and cheese...

Other big parts of the eating equation (and ones I'd be well advised to adhere to) are:
- making smaller portions so you don't end up eating again during clean-up or later that nite;
- focusing on the meal in front of you and eating it slowly, i.e., not in front of the TV...

Awesome man , I'll try to work some of these tips into my diet. This is my weakest part of my training.

mantis

fatchowmein wrote: »

Create an exercise commitment thread? Post what you did or did not do for the day, including diet if you want? Too cumbersome and tedious?

Just a thought...

Thats not a bad idea.

mantis

I do have a question,
What is the best time to work out? The morning in the winter months I have no desire to get out of bed and go into a cold basement to work out. In the evening I'm good as the basement tends to be warmer.
In the summer I have no problem in the morning as it's nice and warm. But I'd like to put together a good time to work out and stick to it. I'm all over the place.

tommyboy

mantis wrote: »

I'll probably bump the cardio up to 30 mins as I gotta work up to that. I get bored doing so hence why I quit at 15. But when I go for a bike ride , it's an easy hour or more of hard pushed cardio.

Thanks for all the tips.

Running on the treadmill is boring, but my key to keeping myself on it (at least until it gets a little warmer) is to keep making it harder each time, setting a goal for yourself that will make you feel good about yourself to get to that point. Listening to music is also a huge helper. Don't give up so easily!

Also be sure to prepare yourself for the treadmill. Don't try to eat a lot before getting on but what you do eat (or drink), be sure it gives you energy on your run (or walk if you're not up to that point yet). And make sure you always stretch!!!

mantis wrote: »

I do have a question,
What is the best time to work out? The morning in the winter months I have no desire to get out of bed and go into a cold basement to work out. In the evening I'm good as the basement tends to be warmer.
In the summer I have no problem in the morning as it's nice and warm. But I'd like to put together a good time to work out and stick to it. I'm all over the place.

In all seriousness, It doesn't really matter when you do it as long as you do it I tend to feel like I have more energy working out at night then I do in the morning so I guess do what ever feels best for you.

fatchowmein

IIRC, some science material mentioned noon as the best time to workout for your body but I can't recall why.

IIRC, Body for Life recommended drinking 2 glasses of water as soon as you wake up and doing cardio first thing in the morning before breakfast if you're trying to lose weight.

Covert Bailey (PBS healthy guy) recommends working out early in the morning before meals to get your metabolism rev'd up and a second workout later in the day to keep that engine going for fat loss. These split sessions are shorter.

For me, whatever schedule gets me doing it is best.

jcandy

fatchowmein wrote: »

IIRC, some science material mentioned noon as the best time to workout for your body but I can't recall why.

There is some indication that late afternoon might be optimal, but this is not at all conclusive. There were also studies showing that perceived difficulty of exercise is less in the evening. For most people, convenience of the workout time should be the only consideration.

fatchowmein wrote: »

IIRC, Body for Life recommended drinking 2 glasses of water as soon as you wake up and doing cardio first thing in the morning before breakfast if you're trying to lose weight.

So-called morning "fasted cardio" is also probably not something you need/want to do. Research shows that there is a tradeoff between increased fat oxidation (good) and increased liver glycogen depletion (bad).

fatchowmein wrote: »

Covert Bailey (PBS healthy guy) recommends working out early in the morning before meals to get your metabolism rev'd up and a second workout later in the day to keep that engine going for fat loss. These split sessions are shorter.

There are no studies that show meaningful 24-hour averaged benefits for morning versus evening exercise. Its really quite simple -- calories burned versus calories in. There is a weak metabolic increase that occurs during very high intensity training (Tabatas, HIIT, resistance to failure) but this can be offset by inability to recover quickly enough. Many of the favoured current protocols are only relevant for younger or elite athletes.

The bottom line is to choose a time of day for exercise that is maximally sustainable for you. Depending on age, you will also want to mix both high intensity and moderate to low intensity workouts (also alternate resistance and bodyweight exercises). Although the current fad is for lots of resistance and HIIT, as age increases and recovery slows down, too much of either is counter-productive and can lead to injury or overtraining.

jcandy

mantis wrote: »

I do have a question,
What is the best time to work out? The morning in the winter months I have no desire to get out of bed and go into a cold basement to work out. In the evening I'm good as the basement tends to be warmer.
In the summer I have no problem in the morning as it's nice and warm. But I'd like to put together a good time to work out and stick to it. I'm all over the place.

You should pick the time that is maximally sustainable for you. It is possible to get a very good full-body workout, which is joint friendly (no running) in as little as 30 minutes (although you should do up to 1 hour) in your basement by doing circuit training. My wife plays soccer 2 or 3 nights a week, and I have a simple garage circuit that she can only take about 30 minutes of before quitting. It also gives her core and upper-body training that she does not get at soccer.

cstmar01

jcandy wrote: »

There is some indication that late afternoon might be optimal, but this is not at all conclusive. There were also studies showing that perceived difficulty of exercise is less in the evening. For most people, convenience of the workout time should be the only consideration.


So-called morning "fasted cardio" is also probably not something you need/want to do. Research shows that there is a tradeoff between slightly reduced fat oxidation (good) and liver glycogen depletion (bad).


There are no studies that show meaningful 24-hour averaged benefits for morning versus evening exercise. Its really quite simple -- calories burned versus calories in. There is a weak metabolic increase that occurs during very high intensity training (Tabatas, HIIT, resistance to failure) but this can be offset by inability to recover quickly enough. Many of the favoured current protocols are only relevant for younger or elite athletes.

The bottom line is to choose a time of day for exercise that is maximally sustainable for you. Depending on age, you will also want to mix both high intensity and moderate to low intensity workouts (also alternate resistance and bodyweight exercises). Although the current fad is for lots of resistance and HIIT, as age increases and recovery slows down, too much of either is counter-productive and can lead to injury or overtraining.

This is very dependent upon what you are doing and going for. For someone that is into body building they are not going to do light weight training as they will not gain the mass they are normally looking for with a light weight workout.

Overall being in the gym I hardly ever see people doing this. This includes lifting at the University I attended as well as 2 other local gyms and attending gyms with my brother who is into professional body building.

Seems more of the norm that I've seeing is more circut training or for women Yoga based workout etc focusing on core and other cardio based workouts.

Also please post the studies regarding cardio while doing a morning fast. I have never seen evidence that proved this was a bad plan. Also is this for extensive amounts of time or only short periods of time? What is the affect then of eating right after, or if one is doing a quick mean before high in protein? What about the affects of caffine. Regardless of what "science" says its the doing it that is going to get something done. You can be a point dexter all you want but just studying isn't going to burn your fat off.

Which reminds me, I don't think I've ever seen a buff prof. Pretty much all mine have been past middle age ranging 20-50lbs over weight, and this even included the ones that taught human ant. ect.

HMMMMMMM... :rolleyes:

jcandy

cstmar01 wrote: »

This is very dependent upon what you are doing and going for. For someone that is into body building they are not going to do light weight training as they will not gain the mass they are normally looking for with a light weight workout

Resistance training is in general over-prescribed in fitness circles. Resistance training is great, but should be limited to amount for which you can recover. What is very common for young men is to do alot of bench-press combined with one or two random other exercise, leaving them is a state of relatively high body-fat and poor VO2 max.

But yes, obviously a 20-something into bodybuilding will be doing lots of resistance training.

cstmar01 wrote: »

Overall being in the gym I hardly ever see people doing this. This includes lifting at the University I attended as well as 2 other local gyms and attending gyms with my brother who is into professional body building.

Hardly ever see people doing what?

cstmar01 wrote: »

Seems more of the norm that I've seeing is more circut training or for women Yoga based workout etc focusing on core and other cardio based workouts.

I don't really understand what you are saying. Core workouts are not cardio per se (overhead squat is an example of a core routine).

cstmar01 wrote: »

Also please post the studies regarding cardio while doing a morning fast. I have never seen evidence that proved this was a bad plan. Also is this for extensive amounts of time or only short periods of time? What is the affect then of eating right after, or if one is doing a quick mean before high in protein? What about the affects of caffine. Regardless of what "science" says its the doing it that is going to get something done. You can be a point dexter all you want but just studying isn't going to burn your fat off.

http://www.clutchfitness.com/forums/view.php?pg=myth-fasted-cardio

Summing Up the Research Findings

? At low intensities (25-50% VO2 max), carbs during exercise reduce fat oxidation compared to fasted trainees.
? At moderate intensities (63-68% VO2 max) carbs during exercise may reduce fat oxidation in untrained subjects, but do not reduce fat oxidation in trained subjects for at least the first 80-120 minutes of exercise.
? Carbohydrate during exercise spares liver glycogen, which is among the most critical factors for anticatabolism during hypocaloric & other conditions of metabolic stress. This protective hepatic effect is absent in fasted cardio.
? At the established intensity level of peak fat oxidation (~63% VO2 max), carbohydrate increases performance without any suppression of fat oxidation in trained subjects.

cstmar01 wrote: »

Which reminds me, I don't think I've ever seen a buff prof. Pretty much all mine have been past middle age ranging 20-50lbs over weight, and this even included the ones that taught human ant. ect.

Um, so what?

jcandy

cstmar01 wrote: »

I don't think I've ever seen a buff prof. Pretty much all mine have been past middle age ranging 20-50lbs over weight, and this even included the ones that taught human ant. ect.

How old are you?

cstmar01

jcandy wrote: »

Um, so what?

:rolleyes:

You have to be more annoying then JuJu.


How old are you???

jcandy

cstmar01 wrote: »

:rolleyes:
You have to be more annoying then JuJu.
How old are you???

44. I've also had three knee surgeries all due to sports injuries. I tested at the "elite" level for VO2 max just before the third surgery. I know what overtraining is like at 20, at 30, and at 40. The insane workouts I did at 20 are very different than what I do now. Since a significant portion of the audience for this thread is older, it makes sense to offer information which will be specifically useful for them.

cstmar01

jcandy wrote: »

44. I've also had three knee surgeries all due to sports injuries. I tested at the "elite" level for VO2 max just before the third surgery. I know what overtraining is like at 20, at 30, and at 40. The insane workouts I did at 20 are very different than what I do now. Since a significant portion of the audience for this thread is older, it makes sense to offer information which will be specifically useful for them.

So you personally asked Dan how old he is? Right? Also did you poll the whole forum before putting in your comments? How do you know personally that this was geared towards older people? Is there an age limit of this? did you personally PM all the members of this forum and ask their age, then plot a graph to see how many would respond, then figure it out?

Also please point to me where I stated that he should over lift? When did I say that doing rep till failure was good practice? Did I ever tell him to do this?

No.

And frankly I think you need to shut up a tad. You act and talk that you know everything, seeing you just KNEW that this thread was going to be read by all older memebers, while I didn't see an age placed upon by anyone else in this thread.

Maybe you did insane workouts, good for you. You now know the cost of doing so.

I never once stated that ANYONE should overlift. You are the one stating that there is a huge kick of people doing the "fad" of high resistance training and the HIIT program.

I stated that personally its more ciruit training that I've seen or core programs, and cardio (IE the word AND is in there, I didn't say they are the same also refer back to the post you questioned me on this).

I merely stated depending on what your goals are, then there are different types of workouts for those goals.

Someone looking to burn off a lot of fat isn't really going to get very far with no cardio and a poor diet.

I also said bumping it up to 30 mins is helpful which it is. 15 mins normally doesn't do crap for someone and also recommend if trying to lose fat do a circuit training.

jcandy

cstmar01 wrote: »

And frankly I think you need to shut up a tad. You act and talk that you know everything, seeing you just KNEW that this thread was going to be read by all older memebers, while I didn't see an age placed upon by anyone else in this thread.

What? The point is to inform people that depending on their age, they will have to modify their routine accordingly. If you are younger, you can add more resistance training and more brutal interval training like the Tabata protocol without fear of overtraining. If you are older, you might not want to design your routine after something gleaned from T-Nation, for example.

Not sure why you are getting so upset. There are real fitness myths floating around and they should be called out.

jcandy

cstmar01 wrote: »

Someone looking to burn off a lot of fat isn't really going to get very far with no cardio and a poor diet.

I completely agree. Also, as you age, diet becomes progressively more critical to weight loss. In my teens, when making weight for sports was an issue, I could drop 5-10 pounds quickly by exercise only. Now there is no way I could do this.

cstmar01 wrote: »

I also said bumping it up to 30 mins is helpful which it is. 15 mins normally doesn't do crap for someone and also recommend if trying to lose fat do a circuit training.

I also completely agree with that. But you will find these days that in fitness circles the low-intensity stuff is poo-pooed in favour of high-intensity protocols that are not sustainable for the over-40 crowd.

cstmar01

jcandy wrote: »

44. I've also had three knee surgeries all due to sports injuries. I tested at the "elite" level for VO2 max just before the third surgery. I know what overtraining is like at 20, at 30, and at 40. The insane workouts I did at 20 are very different than what I do now. Since a significant portion of the audience for this thread is older, it makes sense to offer information which will be specifically useful for them.

Please, I'm all ears as to how you PROVED this this thread was only going to be read by those that are older.

Also please quantify the word "older". If I'm 23 then older is 24. So seeing you're 44 does that make all the "older" people of this forum 45+.

But you're "older" than me, so I guess I can't participate in this discussion seeing I'm below your age group.

Once again please explain how you know Dan's age besides asking him outright. Also then please explain how you knew that all the responses in the thread would be coming from an "older" member of the forum, or how this was geared towards "older" people.

Thought the title was "workout schedule". Not If you are 35+ years of age I want your opinions regarding my workout routine, all others need not read.


Once again my whole point, you act like you know everything. Yes there are myths about working out. There are myths about banking, there are myths about sea monsters. Are you personally on a mission to dispell all the myths of the world?

If so you are doing a pretty poor job just sitting on a forum typing away. Think you need to get out more.


Also then prove how I'm "upset". What does this mean to be upset? How can you tell by my text I am upset? Did I use a frowny face in there somewhere to indicate that was my mood? What does it mean to be upset? Does my blood preasure have to be elevated? Or could I still be upset and have low blood preasure but no expression on my face?

How do you know my current mood? are you present in the room I'm located it? Are there not too many variables for you to measure and digest?

If you are not here, then you are ASSUMING I'm upset by reading what I wrote on a public forum. This then is not prove by any type of science, but seeing all you like is science because it explains all, how can you make the assumption I'm upset, or as I pointed out the "age" of the group and that only those who are "older" is who this thread was geared towards.

jcandy

cstmar01 wrote: »

Please, I'm all ears as to how you PROVED this this thread was only going to be read by those that are older.

Also please quantify the word "older". If I'm 23 then older is 24. So seeing you're 44 does that make all the "older" people of this forum 45+.

But you're "older" than me, so I guess I can't participate in this discussion seeing I'm below your age group.

Once again please explain how you know Dan's age besides asking him outright. Also then please explain how you knew that all the responses in the thread would be coming from an "older" member of the forum, or how this was geared towards "older" people.

Thought the title was "workout schedule". Not If you are 35+ years of age I want your opinions regarding my workout routine, all others need not read.


Once again my whole point, you act like you know everything. Yes there are myths about working out. There are myths about banking, there are myths about sea monsters. Are you personally on a mission to dispell all the myths of the world?

If so you are doing a pretty poor job just sitting on a forum typing away. Think you need to get out more.


Also then prove how I'm "upset". What does this mean to be upset? How can you tell by my text I am upset? Did I use a frowny face in there somewhere to indicate that was my mood? What does it mean to be upset? Does my blood preasure have to be elevated? Or could I still be upset and have low blood preasure but no expression on my face?

How do you know my current mood? are you present in the room I'm located it? Are there not too many variables for you to measure and digest?

If you are not here, then you are ASSUMING I'm upset by reading what I wrote on a public forum. This then is not prove by any type of science, but seeing all you like is science because it explains all, how can you make the assumption I'm upset, or as I pointed out the "age" of the group and that only those who are "older" is who this thread was geared towards.

Can I get you a tissue?

Demiurge

So...another guy who doesn't really want to do anything to lose weight (eat less, move more), just find a magic solution that's nothing more than a gimmick.

No wonder the diet industry is estimated anywhere from $40-100 billion dollars.

fatchowmein

jcandy wrote: »

http://www.clutchfitness.com/forums/view.php?pg=myth-fasted-cardio

Summing Up the Research Findings

? At low intensities (25-50% VO2 max), carbs during exercise reduce fat oxidation compared to fasted trainees.
? At moderate intensities (63-68% VO2 max) carbs during exercise may reduce fat oxidation in untrained subjects, but do not reduce fat oxidation in trained subjects for at least the first 80-120 minutes of exercise.
? Carbohydrate during exercise spares liver glycogen, which is among the most critical factors for anticatabolism during hypocaloric & other conditions of metabolic stress. This protective hepatic effect is absent in fasted cardio.
? At the established intensity level of peak fat oxidation (~63% VO2 max), carbohydrate increases performance without any suppression of fat oxidation in trained subjects.

I like Alan Aragon but as usual when it comes to fitness and health there's always contradictary information.

From newer research (Nov 2010) than the one Alan reviewed in 2006.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/phys-ed-the-benefits-of-exercising-before-breakfast/

"Our current data," the study's authors wrote, "indicate that exercise training in the fasted state is more effective than exercise in the carbohydrate-fed state to stimulate glucose tolerance despite a hypercaloric high-fat diet."

Obviously, more research is needed.

jcandy

fatchowmein wrote: »

Obviously, more research is needed.

Yes, certainly. I read the article you posted BTW. You will also hear anecdotal accounts of people who simply feel bad during fasted cardio workouts because of low energy levels.

I was once at a sports training camp where we were awakened by the sound of a whistle, and had about 5 minutes to be ready for the morning workout. This was all fasted exercise. I can't recall the exact duration. So, certainly people have experimented with this but really given my experience and the level of controversy, I think its overshadowed by the basics: eat clean, limit caloric intake and exercise every day (5/wk) if possible. Another big issue is injury avoidance. If there's one thing that'll reduce your chances of staying fit, its a bad injury.

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jcandy wrote: »

Yes, certainly. I read the article you posted BTW. You will also hear anecdotal accounts of people who simply feel bad during fasted cardio workouts because of low energy levels.

No need for anecdotal accounts, I've been there. If I eat a very poorly the day before or skip dinner, I have no energy for fasted cardio the next morning.

jcandy wrote: »

I was once at a sports training camp where we were awakened by the sound of a whistle, and had about 5 minutes to be ready for the morning workout. This was all fasted exercise. I can't recall the exact duration.

This sounds like Army PT training before breakfast.

jcandy wrote: »

So, certainly people have experimented with this but really given my experience and the level of controversy, I think its overshadowed by the basics: eat clean, limit caloric intake and exercise every day (5/wk) if possible. Another big issue is injury avoidance. If there's one thing that'll reduce your chances of staying fit, its a bad injury.

Agree. I should have warned that fasted cardio needs to be used wisely.