Polk A-1 cable may have cause some problems

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited March 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Question????

    You say your running mono blocks "right?" before you had the AI-1 SDA IC, did you have these amps strapped?? if so when you hooked up the AI-1 SDA IC did you unstrap them??

    If you have the 1.2's, and I'm guessing you do then the AI-1 cable should work.

    He has original SRS's.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,240
    edited March 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    He has original SRS's.

    Then how did he hook up the AI-1??? the SRS's are B/B. Modify??... I would like to see some pics..
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited March 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Then how did he hook up the AI-1??? the SRS's are B/B. Modify??... I would like to see some pics..

    Have no idea :confused:
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2011
    Again he does not have the original SRS's.
    He has the pin blade, and he has 6511's and 6503's.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,416
    edited March 2011
    PolkClyde wrote: »
    Well,since I can't use it,I need to send it back to a Polk Club member.


    PM sent!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited March 2011
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Again he does not have the original SRS's.
    He has the pin blade, and he has 6511's and 6503's.

    Ben, I'm simply going by what Polkclyde provided as info. His posts are a bit ragged and hard to understand at times. Pics would certainly help get a much better diagnosis of the problem.

    My rec was made based on the info he provided.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited March 2011
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Again he does not have the original SRS's.
    He has the pin blade, and he has 6511's and 6503's.

    I hope this help guys,and you can see this. Thanks
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited March 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    Is it a real Polk AI-1 or something else?

    Here it is,I hope this helps. Thanks
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited March 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Ben, I'm simply going by what Polkclyde provided as info. His posts are a bit ragged and hard to understand at times. Pics would certainly help get a much better diagnosis of the problem.

    My rec was made based on the info he provided.

    H9

    A bit ragged and hard to understand? mmmmmmm :) HAHA, I said Pin/Blade.
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited March 2011
    I need a break... Listening to Led Zeppelin, Boxed Set, Sounds good. Thanks Again,guys.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited March 2011
    PolkClyde wrote: »
    A bit ragged and hard to understand? mmmmmmm :) HAHA, I said Pin/Blade.

    I wasn't insulting you, just pointing out that your posts can be hard to follow. :smile:

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited March 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I wasn't insulting you, just pointing out that your posts can be hard to follow. :smile:

    H9

    No Brother,it's all good. I didn't take it that way.. I was really thinking,I should have taken my time to explain it better,that's all.but now, you can see the pics.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited March 2011
    PolkClyde wrote: »
    No Brother,it's all good. I didn't take it that way.. I was really thinking,I should have taken my time to explain it better,that's all.but now, you can see the pics.

    Well you've been around here long enough to know what a mess some of the SDA models can be especially some of the transitional models. Hopefully when Ted comes over he can help you sort it out.

    I will look in my compendium tonight and see if I can shed some more light on the subject. Perhaps the AI-1 is at fault, probably not very likely, but you never know.

    So just to be crystal clear, you have SRS's w/Pin-Blade? Or are they actually SRS 1.2's? Maybe you're not sure???? The compendium will help now that I know what drivers you have and that it's Pin-blade.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited March 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Well you've been around here long enough to know what a mess some of the SDA models can be especially some of the transitional models. Hopefully when Ted comes over he can help you sort it out.

    I will look in my compendium tonight and see if I can shed some more light on the subject. Perhaps the AI-1 is at fault, probably not very likely, but you never know.

    So just to be crystal clear, you have SRS's w/Pin-Blade? Or are they actually SRS 1.2's? Maybe you're not sure???? The compendium will help now that I know what drivers you have and that it's Pin-blade.

    H9

    After all these years,I guess I should know.but,...I'm not sure,at all. I want to call(polk) them today,and order the driver I need. I'll wait on you,ben or who ever to let me know which one I need, Thanks.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,552
    edited March 2011
    Those have to be SDA SRS 1.2's
    You say your running mono blocks "right?" before you had the AI-1 SDA IC, did you have these amps strapped?? if so when you hooked up the AI-1 SDA IC did you unstrap them??

    Larry, I believe you nailed it.
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  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
    edited March 2011
    PolkClyde wrote: »
    After all these years,I guess I should know.but,...I'm not sure,at all. I want to call(polk) them today,and order the driver I need. I'll wait on you,ben or who ever to let me know which one I need, Thanks.

    It's real easy to figure out what driver you need, just use an ohm meter

    MW6503 will be around 8 Ohms and a MW6511 will be around 4 Ohms,

    Hope this helps.
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  • michaeljhsda2
    michaeljhsda2 Posts: 2,184
    edited March 2011
    PolkClyde wrote: »
    I hope this help guys,and you can see this. Thanks

    Without a doubt, your speakers are 1.2's as others have noted because they have the pin/blade interconnect. There is no such thing as an original SRS that has a pin/blade IC as far as I know.

    Note that the sticker seen in photo #4 is for the original SRS (blade/blade IC). They were manufactured with the positive binding post on the right and negative on the left. The 1.2 and 1.2 TL's binding posts are wired just the opposite. It's good to see that your speakers have the red binding post nut on the left and the black on the right as they should be.

    Your 1.2's can be converted to TL's by making the required changes to the crossovers, reversing the polarity of the tweeters at the molex connector and changing the white wire at the tweeter to a larger connection to accomodate the SL3000 (or RDO-198) tweeter.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2011
    The TL mod requires that you mod the inductors, or find some with the right DCR.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • michaeljhsda2
    michaeljhsda2 Posts: 2,184
    edited March 2011
    ben62670 wrote: »
    The TL mod requires that you mod the inductors, or find some with the right DCR.

    and that's where you come in....hint, hint. :wink:
    How are things in Conn. btw? I planning on visiting my uncle in Manchester later on this year.
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited March 2011
    michaeljhsda2 wrote: »
    Without a doubt, your speakers are 1.2's as others have noted because they have the pin/blade interconnect. There is no such thing as an original SRS that has a pin/blade IC as far as I know.

    Note that the sticker seen in photo #4 is for the original SRS (blade/blade IC). They were manufactured with the positive binding post on the right and negative on the left. The 1.2 and 1.2 TL's binding posts are wired just the opposite. It's good to see that your speakers have the red binding post nut on the left and the black on the right as they should be.

    Your 1.2's can be converted to TL's by making the required changes to the crossovers, reversing the polarity of the tweeters at the molex connector and changing the white wire at the tweeter to a larger connection to accomodate the SL3000 (or RDO-198) tweeter.

    wow,That's out of my league.I'll have to talk to Ben,about that.I am not going to touch those crossovers, without assistance. Thanks.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,240
    edited March 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Question????

    You say your running mono blocks "right?" before you had the AI-1 SDA IC, did you have these amps strapped?? if so when you hooked up the AI-1 SDA IC did you unstrap them??

    If you have the 1.2's, and I'm guessing you do then the AI-1 cable should work.


    And my question???:redface:
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2011
    michaeljhsda2 wrote: »
    and that's where you come in....hint, hint. :wink:
    How are things in Conn. btw? I planning on visiting my uncle in Manchester later on this year.

    We'l have to hook up. CT sucks this time of year.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited March 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    And my question???:redface:

    Yes, I did unstrap them,sorry about the delayed answer.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,240
    edited March 2011
    Any update here?? would like to know as that cable should not be giving you any problems..
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited March 2011
    PolkClyde wrote: »
    I have been using mono amps,The carver silver 7t mono amps,to be exact,since 1990,without any real issues.The Sales person at Sound Advice told me to tie or connect,with a wire, the negative,to negative post together,and everything would be fine,he was right,no problems.The Problems is with me,most of the time.What happen yesterday is the left mono bloc amp wire came loose.then, I thought the AI-1 cable damage my Amp,thank God it didn't.

    Since you have strapped the negative terminals together without issue(ie.blown output transistors) that indicates your amps do not use a bridged output stage thus even though in separate chassis's can be made common ground by strapping.(this also applies to other mono blocs that don''t have bridged/balanced output stages).


    Correct me if I'm wrong but it is my understanding that the A1 cable is only for use with non common ground amplifiers.If thats the case then with his amplifiers being common ground when strapped would make the A1 cable unnecessary.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,552
    edited March 2011
    You say your running mono blocks "right?" before you had the AI-1 SDA IC, did you have these amps strapped?? if so when you hooked up the AI-1 SDA IC did you unstrap them??

    I don't know what I was thinking as that will not cause any issues.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but it is my understanding that the A1 cable is only for use with non common ground amplifiers.If thats the case then with his amplifiers being common ground when strapped would make the A1 cable unnecessary.

    One can use the AI-1 with common ground amps without any issues, althought it is not needed.

    Using the AI-1 instead of strapping the grounds will result in improved sound.
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited March 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Any update here?? would like to know as that cable should not be giving you any problems..

    TOOLORLIFEFAN,after I heard that noise,never tried connecting it again.
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited March 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    I don't know what I was thinking as that will not cause any issues.



    One can use the AI-1 with common ground amps without any issues, althought it is not needed.

    Using the AI-1 instead of strapping the grounds will result in improved sound.

    That's why I decided to get the AI-1 Cable,for improved sound,not that my system doesn't sounds awesome,now. Maybe, I have a fautly A1 cable.you guys think it safe for me to try and connect it again?

    PC
    PolkAudioClyde
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