Mod Thread - Taylo Reference II

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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited March 2011
    Are those Nak nanners an ebay purchase?They look more than decent.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited March 2011
    Yep - I am a huge EBay shopper.

    The Nakachimi or whatever they are are decent...

    For the price (basically nothing) - they cant be beat.

    For my Super Towers I used some that lock...

    Either way --

    I should be able to fire them up next Tuesday
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited March 2011
    I understand some folks will not like the Boxes --

    my argument to that is simple - you cant see them unless you are behind the speakers. They seriously are very discrete and do not detract from the speaker what to so ever. Not to mention when you do look behind them they look pretty cool.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,148
    edited March 2011
    I will say this. There is one box that you won't like. It's black. It's useless and if my memory serves, it's the Pioneer Elite. Holy crap, that thing sounded like an old hand held transistor radio on these things. Truth. Peace out.

    <<<Slides off the thread for a stint...
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited March 2011
    LOL

    Yeah - wow, those amps are garbage inside that Elite...

    Just wow.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited March 2011
    Alright!

    One speaker is completely done...

    Received my new bases today... diffraction-be-gone is here.. so yep, we are golden!

    First two pics are previous - the last three are now
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited March 2011
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    LOL

    Yeah - wow, those amps are garbage inside that Elite...

    Just wow.

    Can't expect too much out a $500 all in one receiver. Nice work on the crossovers. Not too familiar with tylers products but are those a step up or down from your main speakers?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited March 2011
    Technically speaking these are a step down as far as the lines go.

    But to me it has always been strange since the tweeter in the Taylo line is more expensive than the Linbrook - yet the Linbrook has always cost more.

    The biggest difference that would make this speaker lower end is the Peerless woofers in the bass cabinet. The Linbrook series uses the Excel drivers like the rest of the line, but that drives up the cost substantially.

    New these probably ran $5k
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited March 2011
    Thursday night I get to crank these bad boys up with 150 watts of Class A/AB GOODNESS.

    The neighbors need to brace themselves as I am audio deprived dammit!

    Mini gathering soon??? Modded vs. unmodded speaker shoot out?

    Thoughts?
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2011
    I'll bebin the 7U mod thread in a day or so if anyone is inarrested,,you guys were correct--actually pretty easy..at least it appears so.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited March 2011
    Oh yeah - its cake man. Much easier than circuit board mounted stuff.

    Not to mention looks like a mad scientist design
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,148
    edited March 2011
    F the unmodded. I know what they sound like. Bring on the full set as you can't really offer an observation base upon one speaker. With frequencies, yes. With the plethora of other things that really matter? No.

    G, you can do it. I have faith in you brother. :wink:
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited March 2011
    Good point, I will do the other one before we do another gathering -- but I still want to hear one modded and one unmodded.

    With the Super Towers is was so apparent with one modded on the differences. It was like the left side disappeared and was massive where as the right side was blaring...

    I am hoping for similar changes with these with better bass precision. The bass cabinets are decked out though - the differences there should be great!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited March 2011
    Well - take this FWIW -

    With the left speaker modded and the right speaker stock..

    The differences are very similar to the Super Towers - the bass digs deeper and definitely appears to be far more controlled -- the upper midbass which was a problem with these speakers seems to be far more present in the modified version as you can actually hear articulation now where as before you could not...

    The right speaker also seems blaring in comparison where as the left speaker is polite sounding and very hard to locate.

    It is hard to form an opinion on anything else obviously - but it amazes me how the modified speakers seemingly disappear where as the stock one is a sore thumb. The Super Towers were the exact same way...

    Anyways - going to let this guy cook for a few days and I will start on the other one..
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2011
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Oh yeah - its cake man. Much easier than circuit board mounted stuff.

    Not to mention looks like a mad scientist design

    I like the mad scientist description,,, got the Clarity's yesterday,, man,,I had forgotten just how BIG those puppies were/are-- tonight,,I'm puttin' on the white coat,,I'll be in the Lab.:wink:
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited May 2011
    Alright --

    These are pretty much DONE - except the rear cabling - I just kind of threw some wires on it to get it working...

    Few things...

    Before modding these speakers there were several problems

    1) Speakers would not disappear, staging was good - but you could tell where the speakers were coming from
    2) There seemed to be an odd gap in the music between the mids and the bass. There was no flow between mid bass and ultra low bass
    3) The bass was boomy and delayed - almost doubled up
    4) Vocal chestiness
    5) Extremely laid back

    After modifications - not burnt in yet...

    This speakers is till an incredibly laid back speaker. It is so different than I am use to in comparison to the Super Towers. The Super Towers are monsters that destroy your body with dynamics and slam.. Judging by how hard my Odyssey amps struggle to power these I may just not have enough power. I am guessing this is a 500 watt speaker to really get em going and I just do not have that kind of raw juice. The speakers are barely working and my amps are sweating... so I think a lot of what I am hearing is due to compression from the amplifiers. With the Super Towers it is like a match made in heaven...

    In the lower bass cabinet I layered it with No-Rez on the larger chamber and in the chamber between the exterior and interior woofers... this cleaned up the bass response ALOT. It brought the octave up a bit so there is none of that excessive rumble it had previously and they are "Dead" sounding (which is good). Nice, tight fast - but perhaps lack a little bit of texture. On that note I am use to my Super Towers which use 4 x 7" midbasses to reproduce bass and lower mid bass so I miss very few details in the bass department. If anything I miss the ultra low stuff.

    I also dynamated the woofer baskets, removed the ports and resealed them as well as put new seals on all the drivers... the bass is just tighter.

    The midbass still seemed to be working independently vs. together so I plugged the port on the top cabinet and this immediately tightened up the vocals and reduced the bass output from the midbass driver. Huge improvement - I am going to seek out a 1.5" foam plug to keep in the midbass port...

    Staging is far superior even with very little burn in on my amps and crossovers - you can sit there and the speakers on most material will be hard to localize but the width is not quite where I am use to...

    Right now these speakers are leaps and bounds over what they were but I wish I had just a flat out balls to the wall amplifier to see what these babies are really made of. I just do not have the amplifier to push these period. They get very little volume and just sound power starved...

    I will post more thoughts once the burn in gets along but I need to track down a high powered amplifier...

    These would be freaking crazy in a smaller room (12x12x8) - they are pinpoint in imaging and in that size room they would be easier to drive.... mine is 16x18x8.5 and with my 150 watts they just eat it up and laugh..
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited May 2011
    Quick update --

    I reversed the phase at the speaker (Candela reverses phase) and this helped greatly with smoothing things out and bringing the overall "volume" up as it appeared maybe some cancelations were happening...

    I also removed the grills and this really helped bring the highs and widen the stage...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited May 2011
    Well I logged a good three hours of listening to a variety of material...

    And I think I have found the set up I like for now... no grills, reverse phase, slight toe in...

    These are definitely a speaker that can now contend with the Super Towers but is ultimately different...

    This will be interesting as they burn in and to compare them against the Super Towers with their new souped up boxes...

    Muahahha

    Modifications are awesome...

    The same guy that made my Tyler Acoustics boxes may make oak top plates to cover the network boxes on the back to make them flow better :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • fishbones
    fishbones Posts: 947
    edited May 2011
    You have a sickness! :eek:

    How many projects do you have going at the same time? The amazing thing is that you are actually finishing them. I would have started 10 and finished 3.
    ..... ><////(*>
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited May 2011
    I am sick man - sick indeed!

    Right now...

    1) My house (HAHA)
    2) Taylos (gotta make the wires)
    3) Super Towers (Gotta finish up the 2nd crossover)
    4) Def Tech Mythos ST for a Polkie (waiting on them to arrive, wont take long to do them)
    5) DIY Sub, on the back burner...

    :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited May 2011
    Wow...

    I just for giggles put the Super Tower crossover on the Taylos and WOW. Now THAT is amazing. I dont know ultimately what the difference is but that is a night and day difference. It is almost like the crossover chokes off the speaker...

    Incredible

    Something to ponder now
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited May 2011
    I FOUND THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!

    I swapped the position of the wire that goes to the drivers... instead of between the resistors I put it before the resistors like the Super Towers and WA LA! *CLARITY!*

    Yes, now we are cooking with grease.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,148
    edited May 2011
    Just watch the fire if you are playing with the grease. [Sorry, I couldn't help myself....] :tongue:
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited May 2011
    Tom you need to come over soon - I have unlocked the potential of these speakers for sure....

    Night and day - huge staging, clarity, detail... you name it.

    That one position of the wire was the ultimate problem. It was choking the tweeter off dude - it was an immediate change once switched like the Super Tower...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,148
    edited May 2011
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Tom you need to come over soon...
    Ditto, my friend. This upcoming get-together should be fun!!!

    Without a doubt. :wink:
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited May 2011
    Im talking like two weeks...

    Not 3 months!

    ;)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,148
    edited May 2011
    Two weeks from now, I'll be down in Florida picking up the SDA's with Russ at Fishbone's pad. We'll work it out...
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited May 2011
    ;)

    SDAs meshdas..

    YOU NEED TO DO YOUR CROSSOVERS.

    *End of story*

    Sell the SDAs and buy some real caps and resistors for them bad boys ;)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,148
    edited May 2011
    Crossover's are in the works as well. Truth be told, I feel this is the last thing that needs to be done with what I have to achieve sonic bliss for quite some time. It will be done on Earth as it is in audio heaven.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited May 2011
    We need to upgrade your inductors too while we are at it - cost 15 bucks more per speaker...

    Are you going external?
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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